LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0

[kpexpress]

Does anyone have any data on how well Measure S is polling right now?

[Car(e)-Free LA]

Originally Posted by mbb

I'd rather have the downtown streetcar form a central node of a useful streetcar network with spurs into e.g. Pico Union and Echo Park.

I would rather have actual subways down Sunset/Caesar Chavez and Pico than a stupid streetcar network.

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by Easy

I don't think that acceleration is really an issue when driving on city streets. And my daily silver line bus down flower routinely overtakes the expo train even though we have twice the number of stops. But I agree with you that rail has advantages and I generally prefer rail over buses. For me it's just that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages in just this instance. For example a streetcar has a single loop. If a train breaks down (and as a rail rider you know they do) the entire line shuts down until it's moved. A bus break down and it's a minor inconvenience for the people on the bus that have to wait 5 min for the next bus.

Fair comments but unless you load and unload at the ends the Silver Line is one of the most dystopian transit projects I've ever ridden. Those stations in the middle of the highway while cars whiz by at 75 MPhil? Truly terrible.

@car free la - it's been stated repeatedly but for short distances it's cumbersome to walk way down to the subway. Great for longer distances but if I'm going 1 to 3 miles I'd rather just hope on above ground rail transit

[Car(e)-Free LA]

Originally Posted by Eightball

@car free la - it's been stated repeatedly but for short distances it's cumbersome to walk way down to the subway. Great for longer distances but if I'm going 1 to 3 miles I'd rather just hope on above ground rail transit

If I'm going 1 mile I'd rather walk. If I'm going 2 miles I'd rather bike. If I'm going 3 miles I'd rather take a bus in a dedicated bus lane, particularly if the money that would have gone to the streetcar goes to a cheaper dedicated bus lane and a subway for trips of 4+ miles. (And PS. total time of a trip of even just 2 miles is probably faster by subway than by a streetcar in LA traffic.)

[Eightball]

Yeah because the LA area is littered with dedicated bus lanes. Oh wait!

[Car(e)-Free LA]

Originally Posted by Eightball

Yeah because the LA area is littered with dedicated bus lanes. Oh wait!

You could put them in for less than the streetcar, and shorten journey times more than the streetcar can. That's my point--streetcar funds are best used for bus lanes and subways.

[Spantik]

I think the streetcar had a real appeal for tourists, its flashy, idiot-proof and makes downtown seem "put together", in my opinion. Maybe the money could be more optimally spent, especially when development savvy people such as yourselves analyze it, but I think it will be a real positive for tourists, and will bring people into he heart of downtown without forcing them to walk through streets that smell like pee. Riding on the bus is a bit daunting for the average tourist, and the subway seems a bit difficult to ride if you wanted to, say, go from Staples Ceeer to Broadway. The streetcar is really approachable and a sort of novelty, and I honestly dont see it trying to appeal to residents such a huge amount (even though they will obviously ride it) but as a way of injecting tourists where we want them to he downtown.

[Resident]

Originally Posted by Car(e)-Free LA

If I'm going 1 mile I'd rather walk. If I'm going 2 miles I'd rather bike. If I'm going 3 miles I'd rather take a bus in a dedicated bus lane, particularly if the money that would have gone to the streetcar goes to a cheaper dedicated bus lane and a subway for trips of 4+ miles. (And PS. total time of a trip of even just 2 miles is probably faster by subway than by a streetcar in LA traffic.)

The street car isn't being put in for people like you.

[ocman]

Originally Posted by kpexpress

Does anyone have any data on how well Measure S is polling right now?

Usually local papers do polls for huge measure that could potentially sink the local economy, but we’re stuck with the shit toilet paper called the LA Times.

[dktshb]

I support the streetcar, but I think it is a big missed opportunity if it only goes in one direction around in a loop. It would certainly be a lost opportunity shuffling people from the subway to Staples Center for games.

[LA21st]

Any route that doesn't serve the eastern section of South Park, South Broadway, Fashion District and the southern Arts District is just dumb.

That's probably true for City west as well with all that growth happening there.

What is the latest proposed route?

[Car(e)-Free LA]

I suppose you could make the case for a streetcar on a street like Broadway, Hill, or Spring, and close that entire Street to all other traffic.

[Resident]

I love all these people just randomly finding out about the streetcar and having strong opinions

[jgacis]

Originally Posted by Resident

I love all these people just randomly finding out about the streetcar and having strong opinions

You'll see that in many subjects, not just streetcars...

[scania]

Originally Posted by ocman

Usually local papers do polls for huge measure that could potentially sink the local economy, but we’re stuck with the shit toilet paper called the LA Times.

"shit toilet paper"...maybe you should work for them. Smh

[scania]

Originally Posted by Resident

I love all these people just randomly finding out about the streetcar and having strong opinions

Statement of the year.

[ocman]

Originally Posted by scania

"shit toilet paper"...maybe you should work for them. Smh

I hate what the LA Times has become. Why the unnecessary jab?

[scania]

Originally Posted by ocman

I hate what the LA Times has become. Why the unnecessary jab?

I think his jab was unnecessary. I think some people really get over dramatic.

[Doctorboffin]

http://urbanize.la/post/new-details-suncals-2-billion-6am-development

Looking nice, just hate that the parking is in the front, but I do like industrial look of it.

[ChelseaFC]

So there are two different Norton Buildings in downtown?

http://urbanize.la/tags/norton-building