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Old Posted Feb 16, 2017, 11:08 PM
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The CN Tower comparisons came to mind as well. When something with vision like this comes around, forward-thinking people need to look at the bigger picture. This is a huge opportunity for Edmonton.
Vision, forward-thinking ? It's tall. Is that all it takes? Height is hardly visionary these days. It's going to cast long shadows on the Quarters and these early renditions should have everyone a little concerned with the design. They're really bad.

The CN Tower was a necessity. It just made practical sense during the 1970s to add an observation deck late in the process. Observation deck are back in style too. It's also a tower that stood in the middle of a vast railyard. At least I find that very different than a tall (potentially ugly) skyscraper standing alone in perpetuity.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2017, 11:19 PM
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^What is your concern with the design, why is it so ugly to you??
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 1:31 AM
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The CN Tower comparisons came to mind as well. When something with vision like this comes around, forward-thinking people need to look at the bigger picture. This is a huge opportunity for Edmonton.
Agree....


Also latest design definitely wont be the last tho.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 2:11 AM
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Vision, forward-thinking ? It's tall. Is that all it takes? Height is hardly visionary these days. It's going to cast long shadows on the Quarters and these early renditions should have everyone a little concerned with the design. They're really bad.

The CN Tower was a necessity. It just made practical sense during the 1970s to add an observation deck late in the process. Observation deck are back in style too. It's also a tower that stood in the middle of a vast railyard. At least I find that very different than a tall (potentially ugly) skyscraper standing alone in perpetuity.
The CN Tower was a necessity? What for? They could have made that tower more useful in my opinion. If you are in the development industry then you should know that early renditions are never final. As for shadows, seriously??? In Edmonton, no one complains about shadows during winter - which is when they are longest. Our days in summer are so long that no one cares about a couple of minutes a shadow. The tower is on the north side of the river valley so no worries about shadows where it counts.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 2:16 AM
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Vision, forward-thinking ? It's tall. Is that all it takes? Height is hardly visionary these days. It's going to cast long shadows on the Quarters and these early renditions should have everyone a little concerned with the design. They're really bad.

The CN Tower was a necessity. It just made practical sense during the 1970s to add an observation deck late in the process. Observation deck are back in style too. It's also a tower that stood in the middle of a vast railyard. At least I find that very different than a tall (potentially ugly) skyscraper standing alone in perpetuity.
The Quarters itself is a long shadow over central Edmonton. It's a dump. Something - anything - to bring investment and foot traffic to that area is a bonus.

The "isolation" of this tower wouldn't even remotely approach the isolation that CN had when it was built. As previously noted by someone else, this proposed location is just a couple blocks from the CBD. It's not in the middle of a field somewhere.

To me, this is an example of how Edmonton is changing and becoming a big boy. When a gift like this is placed in your lap, you should take it. If not this, what? What is the great master plan for the Quarters? Because so far, nothing has worked.

And really...it was a "necessity" to build the world's tallest freestanding structure in downtown Toronto? No, it wasn't. But it was visionary in every sense and helped lead a transition in an area of the city. Let's not undersell it.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 2:33 AM
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Vision, forward-thinking ? It's tall. Is that all it takes? Height is hardly visionary these days. It's going to cast long shadows on the Quarters and these early renditions should have everyone a little concerned with the design. They're really bad.

The CN Tower was a necessity. It just made practical sense during the 1970s to add an observation deck late in the process. Observation deck are back in style too. It's also a tower that stood in the middle of a vast railyard. At least I find that very different than a tall (potentially ugly) skyscraper standing alone in perpetuity.
Why do I get the feeling that you criticize anything positive that happens outside Toronto?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 3:05 AM
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The Quarters itself is a long shadow over central Edmonton. It's a dump. Something - anything - to bring investment and foot traffic to that area is a bonus.

The "isolation" of this tower wouldn't even remotely approach the isolation that CN had when it was built. As previously noted by someone else, this proposed location is just a couple blocks from the CBD. It's not in the middle of a field somewhere.

To me, this is an example of how Edmonton is changing and becoming a big boy. When a gift like this is placed in your lap, you should take it. If not this, what? What is the great master plan for the Quarters? Because so far, nothing has worked.

And really...it was a "necessity" to build the world's tallest freestanding structure in downtown Toronto? No, it wasn't. But it was visionary in every sense and helped lead a transition in an area of the city. Let's not undersell it.
Careful... it's this line of thinking that brought us Canterra Centre, Railtown, Oliver Square, the Brewery District, Peregrine Point, VivaCity, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 3:17 AM
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^ All of those projects have increased foot traffic in the area they are in. Regardless of how unattractive they may be.
     
     
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^for sure, and what's wrong with Railtown?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 4:24 AM
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View from penthouse in Ultima Tower as developer confirms taller Encore Tower to begin within 30 days.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 4:55 AM
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^ All of those projects have increased foot traffic in the area they are in. Regardless of how unattractive they may be.
Sure, but that's not the point and I think you know that. We must pay better attention to urban design or be faced to deal with the consequences for decades. Not that this tower is awful like Oliver Square or Railtown, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be careful of a "let's build anything to stimulate better things down the road" mindset, regardless.
     
     
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Sure, but that's not the point and I think you know that. We must pay better attention to urban design or be faced to deal with the consequences for decades. Not that this tower is awful like Oliver Square or Railtown, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be careful of a "let's build anything to stimulate better things down the road" mindset, regardless.
Those uglier looking buildings and developments were a necessary step in the maturation of the market. Calgary's earlier projects were — too.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 3:19 PM
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This is awesome..

http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/david-staples-on-the-right-path-in-the-river-valley

Just a few years back I got myself a hard tail mountain bike to try out the trails I've been hearing so much about in this city. I haven't ridden a bike since I was a kid, and could say was one of the best choices I've ever done. This city truly is amazing for trails.
     
     
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This is awesome..

http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/david-staples-on-the-right-path-in-the-river-valley

Just a few years back I got myself a hard tail mountain bike to try out the trails I've been hearing so much about in this city. I haven't ridden a bike since I was a kid, and could say was one of the best choices I've ever done. This city truly is amazing for trails.
I've been riding them since the Mid 80s. Always have a great ride.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2017, 2:13 AM
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Stalled Glenora condo project gets going under new owners
Construction activity has finally started on formerly abandoned luxury condo project
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/glenora-skyline-condominium-project-lrt-1.3989226?cmp=rss
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2017, 7:47 PM
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^going to be a fantastic project; hopefully a model for others.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2017, 2:13 AM
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Downtown sure is crazy-busy for an early Saturday night, thanks to the two Garth Brooks shows today and tonight. Jasper Ave and 104 Ave were like rush hour with bumper-to-bumper traffic, lots of pedestrians wandering around, and the restaurants and bars look to be jam-packed. This is precisely what the new arena is supposed to do for our core.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2017, 2:14 AM
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Indeed. Walking around Downtown at 4-5pm last night felt incredible with all of the people.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2017, 6:40 AM
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I had a good time helping lost concert-goers find their way around after the show last night, haha. Lots of out of towners and folks who are new to downtown! Hopefully the impression will be positive.
     
     
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Source: http://citymuseumedmonton.ca/events/retrofutures-edmonton-and-the-city-beautiful/
     
     
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