Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Migrant_Coconut]

If you really want to connect to Jericho, just dig along Broadway past Alma, plunk a station north of OLPH, then keep digging until you hit 10th. Who is the fruitcake that thinks a spur is a good idea???

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If you really want to connect to Jericho, just dig along Broadway past Alma, plunk a station north of OLPH, then keep digging until you hit 10th. Who is the fruitcake that thinks a spur is a good idea???

There's a whole slew of delusional nonsense in this city these days. Are you all that surprised?

[xd_1771]

That's amazing
They didn't have anything like that for the Surrey LRT open houses

[Alex Mackinnon]

Whats amazing is some of the comments...

One straight out of DMJ's book was there criticizing the stop spacing. It said "6 stops in 6km? That will hardly be rapid. Make it LRT instead."

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Whats amazing is some of the comments...

One straight out of DMJ's book was there criticizing the stop spacing. It said "6 stops in 6km? That will hardly be rapid. Make it LRT instead."

I think he was at the Arbutus Corridor open house too. Or somebody else who can 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 for two thirds of a broadsheet about the "Cadillac SkyTrain line" on Broadway.

Ignoring the whole LRT/SkyTrain thing... who the hell even thinks that Cadillacs are still the "it" car?

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by xd_1771

That's amazing
They didn't have anything like that for the Surrey LRT open houses

Mayor Hepner has been plugin her ears and yelling "LRT ONLY" since she took over from Mayor Watts, what ever made you think Surrey wanted to listen to feedback? Surrey's version is just a dog and pony show so they can tick off "took feedback from open house (and ignored it)"

Translink likely cares more about the UBC subway anyways because they know that's going to be an extension of the Skytrain, which means they have more control over what is actually built.

Surrey is going to want to run their LRT boondoggle themselves, just you wait.

[cganuelas1995]

I'd personally like to see what would happen if TransLink were broken up into different agencies, each independent of each other. Just turn it into an alliance with independent agencies for each city/suburb in the metropolitan area like Vancouver and the UEL being under one, Richmond being under one, Delta being under one, Surrey/White Rock/The Langleys being under one, etc. One will be set up for suburb-suburb connections obviously like SkyTrain/SeaBus/West Coast Express/express coach services.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I'd personally like to see what would happen if TransLink were broken up into different agencies, each independent of each other. Just turn it into an alliance with independent agencies for each city/suburb in the metropolitan area like Vancouver and the UEL being under one, Richmond being under one, Delta being under one, Surrey/White Rock/The Langleys being under one, etc. One will be set up for suburb-suburb connections obviously like SkyTrain/SeaBus/West Coast Express/express coach services.

Oh hell no. Unless you want bus service to look like our taxi service, in which case go right ahead.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I'd personally like to see what would happen if TransLink were broken up into different agencies, each independent of each other. Just turn it into an alliance with independent agencies for each city/suburb in the metropolitan area like Vancouver and the UEL being under one, Richmond being under one, Delta being under one, Surrey/White Rock/The Langleys being under one, etc. One will be set up for suburb-suburb connections obviously like SkyTrain/SeaBus/West Coast Express/express coach services.

This would be one of the biggest urban planning disasters in the region's history. The cohesiveness of our transportation network is one of our most important assets. I can't see any possible benefits to this.

[Metro-One]

Umm, no, terrible idea.

Anyways, when do we expect to get an actual update with some new information about this project?

Guessing sometime this summer or fall?

[Sheba]

I'd like to see more local planning but leave the running of the network as is. Some of the bus routes don't make a whole lot of sense, like they were planned by someone who doesn't live here (or by a monkey playing with crayons).

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I'd personally like to see what would happen if TransLink were broken up into different agencies, each independent of each other. Just turn it into an alliance with independent agencies for each city/suburb in the metropolitan area like Vancouver and the UEL being under one, Richmond being under one, Delta being under one, Surrey/White Rock/The Langleys being under one, etc. One will be set up for suburb-suburb connections obviously like SkyTrain/SeaBus/West Coast Express/express coach services.

Look no further than what happens in the GTA. You have multiple transit agencies with various pricing depending on where you are, and where you are going.

It is a nightmare, unless you stay within that transit authority's area. Translink is not as bad as many think.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I'd like to see more local planning but leave the running of the network as is. Some of the bus routes don't make a whole lot of sense, like they were planned by someone who doesn't live here (or by a monkey playing with crayons).

Yeah they should really start looking into making it less hub and spoke and to quit funnelling all routes into Downtown Vancouver. They can start with revamping the nightbus system and maybe have some more routes not connected to SkyTrain stations.

[nname]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Yeah they should really start looking into making it less hub and spoke and to quit funnelling all routes into Downtown Vancouver. They can start with revamping the nightbus system and maybe have some more routes not connected to SkyTrain stations.

It's not that they haven't tried. They had implemented a few routes in Surrey just like what you described about 10 years ago - grid-like routes without funnel everything to SkyTrain and Surrey Central. According to the plan, all of them should be FTN and close to FTN by now. The problem? No one rides it, and they are a money drain for years (less drastic than some outer-suburb routes though). How long can we afford to a route with almost empty buses every 30min before pulling the plug?

375 is supposed to be the second north-south trunk route in Surrey as an alternative to the 321 and KGB. Service began in 2006, and never got enough ridership to warrant late night and any more than half-hourly service. I personally prefer this route when going down to WR as the bus is quite empty so a seat is guaranteed and the bus can fly through all the stops without anyone getting on/off (compared to the crowd on the KGB route...). After 10 years, it managed peak load of 20 and capacity utilization of 21%... and fell victim of service optimization a few years ago.

388 is supposed to be a frequent north cross-town route on 88th. The service never gain popularity to gain off-peak service. In fact, it was converted to a shuttle due to low ridership. The peak load for the peak-only route is only 14 and capacity utilization is only 27% (for a shuttle). However, a recent increase in ridership lowers the cost per rider from almost $4 to about $3.

364 is supposed to be a frequent south cross-town route on 64th. This route had done slightly better than the other two, so it was spared of being "optimized". But still, it is only managed to run every half-hour and no late night service. Peak load is 21 and capacity utilization is 23%.

There was supposed to be another cross-town route in between... but that won't happen until the city actually build a road east of 152nd I think....

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by nname

It's not that they haven't tried. They had implemented a few routes in Surrey just like what you described about 10 years ago - grid-like routes without funnel everything to SkyTrain and Surrey Central. According to the plan, all of them should be FTN and close to FTN by now. The problem? No one rides it, and they are a money drain for years (less drastic than some outer-suburb routes though). How long can we afford to a route with almost empty buses every 30min before pulling the plug?

375 is supposed to be the second north-south trunk route in Surrey as an alternative to the 321 and KGB. Service began in 2006, and never got enough ridership to warrant late night and any more than half-hourly service. I personally prefer this route when going down to WR as the bus is quite empty so a seat is guaranteed and the bus can fly through all the stops without anyone getting on/off (compared to the crowd on the KGB route...). After 10 years, it managed peak load of 20 and capacity utilization of 21%... and fell victim of service optimization a few years ago.

388 is supposed to be a frequent north cross-town route on 88th. The service never gain popularity to gain off-peak service. In fact, it was converted to a shuttle due to low ridership. The peak load for the peak-only route is only 14 and capacity utilization is only 27% (for a shuttle). However, a recent increase in ridership lowers the cost per rider from almost $4 to about $3.

364 is supposed to be a frequent south cross-town route on 64th. This route had done slightly better than the other two, so it was spared of being "optimized". But still, it is only managed to run every half-hour and no late night service. Peak load is 21 and capacity utilization is 23%.

There was supposed to be another cross-town route in between... but that won't happen until the city actually build a road east of 152nd I think....

I think their attempt came too late. People more likely than not got too used to the Vancouver-centrism and arranged their lives around it.

[Bdawe]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I think their attempt came too late. People more likely than not got too used to the Vancouver-centrism and arranged their lives around it.

OR, Vancouver remains for fairly obvious reasons the largest concentration of destinations in the region and the place where bringing a car is most cumbersome and consequently more people want to ride a bus there.

People talk about this like it's some sort of screw-the-suburbs conspiracy.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I think their attempt came too late. People more likely than not got too used to the Vancouver-centrism and arranged their lives around it.

I think that the entire system will, and should, remain Vancouver-centric simply because the city is the node for density, business and residential (and that includes Broadway)
HOWEVER, what I think is really necessary - and Freddino's design has an element of this - is that there be a large "circle line" which facilitates suburb-suburb travel.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I think their attempt came too late. People more likely than not got too used to the Vancouver-centrism and arranged their lives around it.

I think the problem is that the built infrastructure in Surrey just makes it too car-dependent. Miles and miles of malls and mini-malls hidden behind acres of parking lots is just not conducive to running errands by bus and foot. It's not like my neighborhood in Vancouver where I can walk a few minutes to a shopping district and pop into one store after another all within a few blocks of each other.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I think that the entire system will, and should, remain Vancouver-centric simply because the city is the node for density, business and residential (and that includes Broadway)
HOWEVER, what I think is really necessary - and Freddino's design has an element of this - is that there be a large "circle line" which facilitates suburb-suburb travel.

I think it should remain Vancouver-centric until Surrey/SoF becomes a density/business/residential node second to Vancouver, if it's not already and TransLink is just neglecting it like it's a rebellious teenager. But they should look into adding coverage to the nightbus network.

[SpongeG]

could more outlying suburbs do what west vancouver has done and run their own busses but still integrate it with the overall transit system. I think coquitlam at one point in time was looking at doing that as they felt there were too many underserved areas.