Surrey Updates

[LeftCoaster]

Retailers don't typically sign that far ahead, and certainly not one that doesn't have a single operating store in the entirety of Western Canada.

100% that sign is an aspirational placeholder.

[ToTheTopNow]

Coast Capital looks cool.

20170125_152022 by City Of Rain, on Flickr

http://vancouver.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/surrey-coast-capital-head-office-9-floors.26728/

[Shift]

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/02/07/major-upgrade-of-100-avenue-to-begin-this-month/

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Shift

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.

More accurately this is an upgrade to 100th along the north side of Green Timbers Park - from 140th to 148th. Either side of is already 4 lanes (at the 140th side they'll have to do some lane repainting).

It's one of the things that drives me nuts about Surrey streets (and it's come up on here before) - the checkerboard state of streets where it jumps back and forth between 4 lanes and 2 lanes. I really wish Surrey would fix more of them as quite a few wouldn't be much more than paving the shoulder and painting lines.

Part of me is surprised to not have nimby's out screaming about cutting down trees to do this. They certainly have been out in force about cutting down trees (even dead ones) along Fraser Hwy.

[EhJay]

That'll be nice. Hopfeully they get it looking like that eventually right from KGB to 152 st though.

As for the trees along Fraser Hwy: Little known fact is that they aren't technically apart of Green Timbers Urban Forest. And when the road expansion for the LRT goes through there, the size of Green Timbers will actually increase in designated space. So, yes, trees are being cut down, BUT more area will officially be added to the Forest.

[Equinox71]

Originally Posted by EhJay

That'll be nice. Hopfeully they get it looking like that eventually right from KGB to 152 st though.

As for the trees along Fraser Hwy: Little known fact is that they aren't technically apart of Green Timbers Urban Forest. And when the road expansion for the LRT goes through there, the size of Green Timbers will actually increase in designated space. So, yes, trees are being cut down, BUT more area will officially be added to the Forest.

I'm wondering if this 100th Ave project isn't part of preparation to off-load some of the 104th traffic in preparation for LRT along that route.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Equinox71

I'm wondering if this 100th Ave project isn't part of preparation to off-load some of the 104th traffic in preparation for LRT along that route.

It's a designated Arterial Road regardless of the LRT project. Its current out-dated 2-lane cross-section is not a proper arterial road standard. The upgrade would happen regardless.

Arterial Road Standards in Surrey:

https://surrey.ca/city-services/13367.aspx

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Sheba

More accurately this is an upgrade to 100th along the north side of Green Timbers Park - from 140th to 148th. Either side of is already 4 lanes (at the 140th side they'll have to do some lane repainting).

Well generally it connects Surrey City Centre to Guildford.

There is still a section between 138 to 140th that will still be single lane in each direction with a turning lane in the middle. The diagrams posted show a widening to 4 lanes slightly west of 140th but not as far as 138th. Seems like this should have been included in the upgrade.

Section that will still be 2 lanes between 140 and 138:




Where it widens to 4 lanes at 138:




Extent of widening west of 140th:




Maybe they are getting rid of the middle turning lane for the entire stretch to 138th but just not showing it on the plans?

[GMasterAres]

So the above shows that it won't be 100% complete when.. well complete. Eastbound going up the hill will still merge into 1 lane and then 2 blocks later widen back to 2 lanes @ 140th. Guessing this is because of delays in getting properties along that stretch to widen fully.

So basically 100th will be 2 lanes from KGB to 138, then 140th to 154th.

Definitely needed though the real problem is @ 140th and through the Green Timbers stretch and it will be nice to have a proper interface with Green Timbers. We access it via the Jim Pattison area only because you can't really walk along 100th to get to the lake unless you walk on the road itself which is dangerous.

[clee7903]

Absolutely love this...this is long overdue.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by Shift

Major upgrade of 100 Ave between Surrey City Centre and Guildford to begin this month.

Widening to 4 lanes, grade-separated bike paths, new street lighting, new signalized intersections, improved access to Green Timbers Park.

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/02/07/major-upgrade-of-100-avenue-to-begin-this-month/

Great just what we need more traffic lights to improve flow. Currently at 100 and 144 there's no traffic lights and 144 is not even a busy road. Why do we need lights there. Why can't cars wishing to turn left onto 100 from 144 just use 140 or 148. It's the same deal with 144 and Fraser. Why are there lights there?

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by jhausner

So the above shows that it won't be 100% complete when.. well complete. Eastbound going up the hill will still merge into 1 lane and then 2 blocks later widen back to 2 lanes @ 140th. Guessing this is because of delays in getting properties along that stretch to widen fully.

So basically 100th will be 2 lanes from KGB to 138, then 140th to 154th.

Definitely needed though the real problem is @ 140th and through the Green Timbers stretch and it will be nice to have a proper interface with Green Timbers. We access it via the Jim Pattison area only because you can't really walk along 100th to get to the lake unless you walk on the road itself which is dangerous.

Good old Surrey from 2 lanes to 4 lanes, 2 lanes to 4 lanes etc etc etc. Look at 160, 168, 152, KGB in South Surrey, 72, it just never ends the inconsistency.

[Shift]

Census numbers from this weeks release show Surrey added the most new residents vs any other Metro Vancouver municipality by a wide margin.

[officedweller]

add in North Delta and Surrey's probably close to Vancouver's population.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Shift

Census numbers from this weeks release show Surrey added the most new residents vs any other Metro Vancouver municipality by a wide margin.

You may not see that trend continue for a while. Vancouver is now building housing units faster than Surrey. Burnaby is also building very quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next census has Burnaby and Vancouver both growing faster than Surrey due to the amount of backlogged condo developments underway.

[Blease]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

You may not see that trend continue for a while. Vancouver is now building housing units faster than Surrey. Burnaby is also building very quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next census has Burnaby and Vancouver both growing faster than Surrey due to the amount of backlogged condo developments underway.

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Blease

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

Yet it seems so hard to get developments started here

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Blease

There may indeed be an uptick in construction in Vancouver and Burnaby but that by no means becomes a trend. Surrey has had the largest population increases in in Greater Vancouver for some time now and that is not about to change. Simply put Surrey has more developable land available at better prices and a friendlier development/ regulatory environment than any other municipality in the region. At the end of the day this is where new populations will flock and by corollary, development dollars.

That may be true, but it's also true that developments in Surrey are the first on the chopping block when markets slow because the margins are lower.

For reference, Vancouver had almost 3x as many housing compared to Surrey last year and Burnaby had 1.5x as many.

[Blease]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

That may be true, but it's also true that developments in Surrey are the first on the chopping block when markets slow because the margins are lower.

For reference, Vancouver had almost 3x as many housing compared to Surrey last year and Burnaby had 1.5x as many.

As I said before, a one year year uptptick has no bearing on the general trend line.

[Blease]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yet it seems so hard to get developments started here

How difficult could it be when twenty or so projects have either started or completed in the last five years within one square-kilometre of Surrey City Centre.