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Old Posted Feb 6, 2017, 10:11 PM
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I'm not sure about inside-the-greenbelt (certainly any crappy tire, play it again sports and sport chek would carry ball gloves) but certainly in central neighbourhoods it is getting increasingly difficult to get durable goods - try buying a screwdriver in the downtown/centretown area.
Hmm, you are right, I don't think there is a hardware store in centre town, there is one in the Byward Market, Glebe and Preston.
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George St. Home Hardware?

I get your point. But I think it's a wider retail trend that box stores are dominating the market for this sort of thing. Unfortunately(?) in Ottawa we don't have any downtown box stores.
Trainyards is almost directly adjacent to downtown, I don't think many cities have as much big box shopping as close to downtown...
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Really? Granted, I haven't had the need for a ball glove since I was about 10, but inside the greenbelt I'd wager there's a bajillion places to buy one. Heck, any Canadian Tire or Wal-Mart would surely do the trick, no?

Inside the central area could be a bit trickier, but I find it unthinkable that (then) Sports Experts (now Sport Chek) at Rideau or Sporting Life at Lansdowne wouldn't offer this item.
Plus a baseball glove is an item that is very easily purchased online.
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Trainyards is very car-oriented.
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Ottawa's set to try almost anything to get more patios, except cut sky-high permit fees

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 6, 2017 | Last Updated: February 6, 2017 3:47 PM EST


A final report on how to get more pubs and restaurants to open patios in Ottawa is due at city hall this month, but it won’t include talk of lowering permit prices that are 10 times what Toronto charges.

We’ve learned some things about patios by trying out more little narrow ones on Elgin Street the past couple of years, and now we want to put those lessons to use. We’re writing a whole new bylaw specifically for patios. The new rules are expected to preserve wider corridors for pedestrians to get past and to restrict sandwich-board advertising, while allowing patios to be away from a restaurant’s front door (if there’s enough room) and permitting umbrellas to extend over a sidewalk as long as they’re high enough.

But they’ll still be expensive. Re-examining the price of a patio was off-limits.

Ottawa charges just under $200 per square metre for patios that encroach on city property, which is many of them. Torontonians have just shot down a city-staff trial balloon that proposed hiking fees there from as little as $20 per square metre to as much as $296 per square metre.

The city government’s licensing department presented its work in a public meeting there last week, everyone including Mayor John Tory freaked out, and they’re giving it a re-think before coming back for a city council decision in April.

Toronto’s patio fees are very low now, having been set in the 1990s and increased only to keep pace with inflation. In Montreal, patio fees are set by borough councils and they often use complicated formulas based on frontage and effects on parking. Downtown Ville-Marie — which covers Old Montreal and the Quartier des spectacles — offers a sample calculation for potential terrasse operators that works out to about $65 per square metre.

Westmount charges about what Ottawa does. Guess where the terrasses are. In Montreal, by the way, patios could only be on private property until a decade ago, thanks to the stuffiness of Jean Drapeau, who disdained drinking out of doors (also food carts). Since Montreal legalized them, they’ve sprouted by the dozen.

Here, we re-set our rates in 2014, cutting them from $232 to $208 per square metre, then nipped them again in 2015. That’s why they aren’t being reconsidered now.

Two strange things in our city’s thinking about this.

First, we set the price of patio encroachments according to how much money we want to make, not according to what they cost the city to clean around or to enforce bylaws around them — to handle noise complaints from neighbours, make sure there’s enough room on the sidewalks to get past, and so on. In 2014, the rationale for cutting the fees was that the city had expected to make $577,000 in patio fees but actually made $677,000. So it decided to trim the price.

In other words, we’re a bit confused about what we’re charging for. Is this a cost-covering administrative fee? Rent for the private use of publicly owned space? Bit of both?

If the fee is rent, does it make sense to charge exactly the same price no matter where the patio is? (No.) Does it matter that active street life is a specific goal for the city? (It should.)

Second, we’re operating on the belief that the price of a patio permit has little impact on whether restaurateurs open patios.

“It is the staff opinion that the demand for sidewalk space is inelastic in the majority of downtown areas, and the number of patios will not increase as a direct result of reduction in fees,” Ottawa’s planning department reported in 2015. They’d experimented with cutting the patio fee in half for locations on Preston Street and got only two new patios out of it, which was just in keeping with patio growth elsewhere in the city.

Well, sure, Preston Street. Several thousand dollars in fees makes a difference in marginal cases, not in neighbourhoods already established as entertainment and dining districts. Try it on Beechwood Avenue or in Lowertown outside the Market, say, and we might get better intel on what cheaper fees would do in places that aren’t already close to peak patio.

Ottawa has moved in the right direction, but our patio fees are still pretty high, especially compared with two nearby cities that have street life we envy. Easing the technical restrictions is good, but the thousands of dollars a permit costs probably has more to do with our paucity of patios than the city would like to admit.

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Plus a baseball glove is an item that is very easily purchased online.
Really? I would put a baseball glove squarely in the category of items that I need to try on before buying.

But as noted, there are quite a few places inside the greenbelt where you can buy a glove. There is actually a new store called "Baseball Town" opening at Bank and Flora that is full of baseball gloves.

I am actually wondering if the glut of retail will be a win for older neighbourhoods in the long run. If main street rents come down, it might mean that more types of stores can be viable in those spaces. The transition may be painful though.
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Really? Granted, I haven't had the need for a ball glove since I was about 10, but inside the greenbelt I'd wager there's a bajillion places to buy one. Heck, any Canadian Tire or Wal-Mart would surely do the trick, no?
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Inside the central area could be a bit trickier, but I find it unthinkable that (then) Sports Experts (now Sport Chek) at Rideau or Sporting Life at Lansdowne wouldn't offer this item.
Yip. I recommended all those places, and the now-closing Elgin Sports, and the closest ball glove to be found was either South Keys or Orleans.
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I am actually wondering if the glut of retail will be a win for older neighbourhoods in the long run. If main street rents come down, it might mean that more types of stores can be viable in those spaces. The transition may be painful though.
The transition is always happening. There just seems to be a weird market failure going on that way too many retail spaces are going over to effete urban trendy nonsense, while so many of what used to be considered "basics" are no longer easily accessible in a core that is adding residential units (if not residents; household sizes are shrinking as well.)

Cf. the hardware store desert that is most of the inner city, especially after the loss of hardware places on Beechwood, Elgin, and the late, great, Kent Street Canadian Tire.
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The transition is always happening. There just seems to be a weird market failure going on that way too many retail spaces are going over to effete urban trendy nonsense, while so many of what used to be considered "basics" are no longer easily accessible in a core that is adding residential units (if not residents; household sizes are shrinking as well.)

Cf. the hardware store desert that is most of the inner city, especially after the loss of hardware places on Beechwood, Elgin, and the late, great, Kent Street Canadian Tire.
Yep, no question that Centretown needs a hardware store. For a while it looked like Rona was a candidate to step into the small format void, but that doesn't seem likely now.

Wellington West, the Glebe and the Market all have Home Hardware, so there seems to be a commitment from that chain to stay on mainstreets.
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Yip. I recommended all those places, and the now-closing Elgin Sports, and the closest ball glove to be found was either South Keys or Orleans.
Hmm. There are 3 Canadian Tire stores within a (much) closer distance to the core than South Keys/Orleans (Coventry, Carling, Heron). There's a massive Sport Check at St. Laurent mall. There are Walmarts at Trainyards and Billings Bridge.

The overriding point you're making is a valid/interesting one, but to suggest that one cannot find a baseball glove closer than Orleans or South Keys (from the core) is not credible.
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Yip. I recommended all those places, and the now-closing Elgin Sports, and the closest ball glove to be found was either South Keys or Orleans.
Were is there a sports store in South Keys, was it Walmart? Why did he not go to Elgin Sports as you suggested? If they are closing down, then they never sold the product and wasn't a big loss. I find this very hard to believe that the Sport Expert at Rideau did not have it unless he is going in the middle of winter trying to buy a baseball glove.

At the end of the day, it is supply and demand.
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Wellington West, the Glebe and the Market all have Home Hardware, so there seems to be a commitment from that chain to stay on mainstreets.
We also have Preston Hardware on, er, Preston.
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Wellington West, the Glebe and the Market all have Home Hardware, so there seems to be a commitment from that chain to stay on mainstreets.
That's their niche.. I'm sure that they wouldn't be able to compete any other way. The big box stores and Amazon have every other angle locked-up.
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Yip. I recommended all those places, and the now-closing Elgin Sports, and the closest ball glove to be found was either South Keys or Orleans.
Weird that the crappy tire on Coventry, the crappy tire on Carling and the Sport Chek at St Laurent Mall and the Play it Again on Bank didn't have gloves.
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The transition is always happening. There just seems to be a weird market failure going on that way too many retail spaces are going over to effete urban trendy nonsense, while so many of what used to be considered "basics" are no longer easily accessible in a core that is adding residential units (if not residents; household sizes are shrinking as well.)
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I get your point, but could it also be related to the decline in popularity of baseball in general?
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I get your point, but could it also be related to the decline in popularity of baseball in general?
I don't know when this particular baseball glove desert incident happened, but baseball has recently seen quite a resurgence in popularity. My understanding is that they are having trouble with field availability now in a lot of places.
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Weird that the crappy tire on Coventry, the crappy tire on Carling and the Sport Chek at St Laurent Mall and the Play it Again on Bank didn't have gloves.
We can also add Kundstat sports in the Glebe and on Bank near Heron and Valiquette's’s Source For Sport on Carling (they actually carry a large selection of baseball products).
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I don't know when this particular baseball glove desert incident happened, but baseball has recently seen quite a resurgence in popularity. My understanding is that they are having trouble with field availability now in a lot of places.
Yep. Anecdotally, the Glebe Little League enrollment has basically doubled in the last two years. Perhaps the new Baseball Town store is looking to capitalize on that surge.
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Yep. Anecdotally, the Glebe Little League enrollment has basically doubled in the last two years. Perhaps the new Baseball Town store is looking to capitalize on that surge.
Where is the new Baseball Town store will be located?
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Trainyards is very car-oriented.
I have never set foot in the place. Too hard to access by transit.
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