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Originally Posted by Orlando
Let's put things in perspective here...shall we?
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I've really never said much about the federal land issue in Utah, but I'm going to say what I can and probably say no more. I'm on a phone, there will be issues.
This quote from Orlando is only one reason I do not want the federal government to control as much as they do.
I've said in the past I grew up not on the farm but around it. That means I worked with these tough hard working people. Where a pray in church always included water. Some of my friends (college educated) in high school continued to farm and ranch today and they have series issues with the federal government.
One issue is land use. In this the BLM is aweful and I mean incompetent aweful. Most ranchers practice migration feeding. This isn't that new but it is to use the land like it was being used before fences. This inturn helps fertilize the land and spread seeds and what not. There are pictures of BLM land completely Barron and dust bowl like next to private ranch land that is lush and full of grasses who practice this. . BLM clams environment protection no hurds but in fact they are hurting the land. Here is a video on the subject
https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change
2nd Issue. Sensitive wildlife. This is where the state of Utah absolutely does better then the Feds. We have all hurd of sage grouse. The fact that bird is on the threaten list is due to the Feds management of the land. The lose of habitat is because of the desertification of the lands the Feds manage. Utahs lands that are managed by the state are some of the best habitat for these birds. BLM wants to take control of these lands because the birds are on it and its threatened.
Wild horses. Not sure how to address this. Let's just say people are stupid. The number of wild horses are so high the the BLM actual does not know how many there really are. They are not native animals! They take more then they put back and are another reason the sage grouse are on decline. I get this info from a BLM employee I went to college with. The main reason their numbers are so high (30-40,000) is because there is public out cry to round them up, kill them if not adopted or send them to other countries for slaughter. (People are stupid) There is a federal law (stupid) forbidding slaughter of horses.
How to fight fires! This is one issue the SUWA assholes bring up. I've spoken to one of their former lawyers, SUWA ... you are assholes! that's all I will say about them to protect this person.
Right, fires, Utah has done some incredible things in this area, the state pioneered range restoration after fires and some of this has been adopted by the BLM. The state has also been working on restoring native plants to state lands which have been shown to slow down wild fires and prevent in some cases.. Once again you will see state land with the native plants and then BLM land with that evil Cheat grass. And if you want to look up the largest fire in state history, all on BLM land and all because of cheat grass started by lightning. Oh and cheat grass, another reason the sage grouse are on decline.
I should stop but there is so much more crap. Bears Ears, man did they screw up. Aside from the politics, the native Americans were being used in all of this ( I asked a Navajo). If they wanted to protect this land for Native Americans they would of made it a national historical site or heritage, not a national monument. Also the area that has the native history in it is a tenth the size (still big). I have been to these places several times and I'm not excited now to have to pay. Also this thing took quite a bit of school trust land away for no exchange. The Feds say they will but they still haven't exchanged land in dinosaurs monument 30+ years ago. Oh and now the land is more restrictive to natives then before.
Grand staircase. So another problem with these monuments is, monuments were never supposed to be this big. This one is way to big. I know the whole coal this is an issue but really to draw a big circl around land and turn 90 percent of a county into federal land and say mine is wrong on every level. This is land that can not generate money for anything local and again we lost trust land.
I do believe in managing the land, ATVs can do a lot of harm when you go off trail, so educate, but to shut all land down is wrong.
We whine about not funding our schools but really when 68 percent of your possible taxable land is locked up for no revenue then you get underfunded schools.
I'm not saying we should open the flood gate but nobody is truly talking to each other, other then through threats and legal action and that's the main problem.
Another thing if those CEOs truly believe what they said, get the hell out of the state that let you become what you did you ungrateful assholes. Go to California where they will tax you to kingdom come.
The Outdoor show will be replaced, it's nice, but we will be fine without it.
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He suddenly became a huge liability to the state and city for losing the convention. I don't think Chaffetz was anti-environment. He was just questioning the process of the fed agencies taking state land, kind of like when Clinton just came in and made a national monument without any conversation with the state.
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