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Old Posted Feb 2, 2017, 12:39 AM
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Alright, a brand spanking new building from the GREATEST of developers, Pemberton, featuring the 5th tower in the park near Erin Mills, a mall in Mississauga. (Sarcastic post, in case anyone cant sniff it)
[IMG]5 Towers in the Park by Joshua Kennington Photographics, on Flickr[/IMG]
And..it features a VERY high quality material, spandrel!!
[IMG]Entranceways to life by Joshua Kennington Photographics, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]Spandrel bleeding by Joshua Kennington Photographics, on Flickr[/IMG]

LOL It has all the creativity of a drywall guy turned developer naming his company after the street he is building on.
     
     
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But I was looking forward to more Calgary awfulness
Calgary has some commie blocks but nothing of that scope and scale in the burbs. We kind of avoided for the most part the tower in the park soviet style communities.Ugly affordable multi family housing of that era is mostly comprised of poo coloured townhomes with faux mansard roofing. The only commie blocks of note are mostly hidden amongst better towers in the core or single monoliths like Mayfair Place in suburbia:

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2017, 12:52 AM
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Calgary has some commie blocks but nothing of that scope and scale in the burbs. We kind of avoided for the most part the tower in the park soviet style communities.Ugly affordable multi family housing of that era is mostly comprised of poo coloured townhomes with faux mansard roofing. The only commie blocks of note are mostly hidden amongst better towers in the core or single monoliths like Mayfair Place in suburbia:

Either you're a little confused or I'm getting confused. Those Montreal towers look pretty new. (built after 2000)

These towers are also of an international style. The constant Soviet references are a tad ignorant.
     
     
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These areas remind me of the aerial shots from Denis Villeneuve's Enemy. What a hideous concrete hellscape!
     
     
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No one has denied that there are many cities with neighbourhoods far from the core have their wires buried. They existing in Toronto too. Neither has anyone denied that Toronto has a ton of overheads wires lining its main streets. It has also been said the few remaining wires for street lighting and traffic signals in the financial core is rather unique to Toronto. It's your simple conclusion that Toronto is somehow failing at burying these wires because it comparably has a lot of overhead wires on its main streets to other cities without considering the circumstance and everything said is why I say you don't get it.
Ah yes, circumstances that only Toronto (and to varying extents the rest of Canada) faces while nobody else does. I simply don't accept that. We face no obstacles that other cities don't also face. It's a simple matter of how much various cities prioritize aesthetics. The simplicity of my conclusions is your own projection, nothing more. And yes, compared to other cities Toronto and a few other cities in Canada are doing a very poor job of burying wires. Even the cities mentioned earlier like Seattle and Melbourne don't have as much overhead clutter as you routinely find in high profile locations in Toronto.

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This is more of an old-city vrs new-city problem. At least that is the case in the West.

Hydro poles are found in the older built up areas. In new sub-burbs they are generally non-existent.
Not really. On a world scale, age has nothing to do with it. There are many, many cities all over Europe that are older than anything in Canada and have scarcely any overhead wires at all. Not only in high profile and tourist friendly locations like has been suggested in this thread, but the entire city. There are random cities I've never heard of in Spain, Germany and Norway where overhead wires are nowhere to be found. City centres, new neighbourhoods, old neighbourhoods, even industrial areas...as far as I can tell overhead wires simply don't exist in these places. If you suggested to the people there that they should put wires above ground to provide "grit" and "character" you'd be laughed out of town.

I'm not suggesting that we go that far, I'm simply showing what's possible. Surely we can find some middle ground between that gold standard and our mess of wires and poles.
     
     
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Either you're a little confused or I'm getting confused. Those Montreal towers look pretty new. (built after 2000)

These towers are also of an international style. The constant Soviet references are a tad ignorant.
There are maybe 3 towers that look like they're from the 2000's. The rest are straight up 70's crappola. I was referencing matthew's street view and trying to explain how we lack areas like that in the burbs. Mayfair Place was an example of one of the few towers of that era we have in suburbia. There are others that are more drab looking but none as fat. I know you bristle at the term commie block though. Perhaps we should start an ugly mullion thread for you.

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Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you mean Nnnnnnoooooooooooooooonnn!
     
     
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I'm sure it's in Laval and Molson Export already has a ticket.

They should play the parking lot at the Reno Depot in front of Les Residences Soleil!
     
     
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I forgot to snap a picture but I walked by 365 Church today. Complete trash.
     
     
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Ah yes, circumstances that only Toronto (and to varying extents the rest of Canada) faces while nobody else does. I simply don't accept that. We face no obstacles that other cities don't also face. It's a simple matter of how much various cities prioritize aesthetics. The simplicity of my conclusions is your own projection, nothing more. And yes, compared to other cities Toronto and a few other cities in Canada are doing a very poor job of burying wires. Even the cities mentioned earlier like Seattle and Melbourne don't have as much overhead clutter as you routinely find in high profile locations in Toronto.


Not really. On a world scale, age has nothing to do with it. There are many, many cities all over Europe that are older than anything in Canada and have scarcely any overhead wires at all. Not only in high profile and tourist friendly locations like has been suggested in this thread, but the entire city. There are random cities I've never heard of in Spain, Germany and Norway where overhead wires are nowhere to be found. City centres, new neighbourhoods, old neighbourhoods, even industrial areas...as far as I can tell overhead wires simply don't exist in these places. If you suggested to the people there that they should put wires above ground to provide "grit" and "character" you'd be laughed out of town.

I'm not suggesting that we go that far, I'm simply showing what's possible. Surely we can find some middle ground between that gold standard and our mess of wires and poles.


I don't know how many more times I or others have to mention it. Toronto is unique that there are still vestiges of overhead infrastructure within its core but, that doesn't extend to streets like Roncesvalles. I call absolute bullshit on that.


How can you possibly bring up Europe after all this:

Europe doesn't have overhead wires because they never really had overhead wires

It's an apples to oranges comparison. Maybe that simply analogy will finally sink in.

I get it. You hate the wires big time. We all do which also has been posted several times already. You just can't expect them to get buried overnight even with all the money in the world. The logistics are as big as the costs.

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I don't know how many more times I or others have to mention it. Toronto is unique that there are still vestiges of overhead infrastructure within its core but, that doesn't extend to streets like Roncesvalles. I call absolute bullshit on that.
I specifically said that Roncesvalles isn't unique. I also said that Toronto's overhead wire problem is worse than other cities that have been mentioned. Those two statements don't contradict each other. Not sure what you're calling bullshit on exactly.

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How can you possibly bring up Europe after all this:

Europe doesn't have overhead wires because they never really had overhead wires

It's an apples to oranges comparison. Maybe that simply analogy will finally sink in.
As I said, I brought up Europe to show what's possible. Of course Europe had overhead wires. It still does on much of the continent. The British Isles for example have overhead wires on a lot of less busy streets. They're rare, however, on streets comparable to Queen or even Roncy, especially in major cities. Where you see a lot of wires in busy commercial districts is in poor countries like Romania and Croatia. Of course, those countries have a quarter of our per capita GDP, so it's not exactly a flattering comparison.

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I get it. You hate the wires big time. We all do which also has been posted several times already. You just can't expect them to get buried overnight even with all the money in the world. The logistics are as big as the costs.
At no point did I suggest that they should all be buried or that it should happen overnight.

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Old Posted Feb 2, 2017, 5:41 PM
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The ugliest agglomeration of affordable housing highrises in the city. I'm all for affordable housing but this is beyond butt ugly. Take a tour around the area.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0025238,-...TqOHE7kJC-NPw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Towers in the Park?

https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0040582,-...S31Gh4dVuUw-LjFoDBM5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
     
     
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I forgot to snap a picture but I walked by 365 Church today. Complete trash.

Ya the new condo is pretty bad. It looks like it belongs over in Liberty Village home of other monstrosities. And the building directly to it's north needs to go.
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I used to find this the ugliest building in the city. It's kind of grown on me since they repainted it though. It's still ugly, but it adds texture to all the glass. I think it would be a lot less bad if it had underground parking instead of the parkade podium.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Calgary...!8m2!3d51.0486151!4d-114.0708459!6m1!1e1
     
     
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You just can't get over that hump. You see how many overhead wires remain along streets in Toronto compared to others and formulate a crude conclusion the city isn't burying them as quickly as those other communities. That is simply not true and also implies you want them buried overnight. Of course you interpreted that as every single last wire too.

The "major" cities in Europe have being destroyed and rebuilt long after Toronto had a large overhead power grid along its streets. The majority buried any destroyed above ground infrastructure 70 years ago for reasons that include defense and not just aesthetics. It's definitely not a valid comparison to use those to highlight Toronto's current situation.
     
     
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I used to find this the ugliest building in the city. It's kind of grown on me since they repainted it though. It's still ugly, but it adds texture to all the glass. I think it would be a lot less bad if it had underground parking instead of the parkade podium.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Calgary...!8m2!3d51.0486151!4d-114.0708459!6m1!1e1
The green paint is awful. It's in deplorable condition. Still, I don't know how anyone can find it the ugliest building in Calgary. Those twin towers just to the left off screen are much much uglier. That brick commercial building with the curved corner is hideous too.
     
     
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I used to find this the ugliest building in the city. It's kind of grown on me since they repainted it though. It's still ugly, but it adds texture to all the glass. I think it would be a lot less bad if it had underground parking instead of the parkade podium.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Calgary...!8m2!3d51.0486151!4d-114.0708459!6m1!1e1
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