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Old Posted Jan 28, 2017, 1:53 AM
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HMV will be closing all stores nationwide by April 30th. Seemingly inevitable, but still very sad! http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/hmv-canada-to-close-all-102-stores
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Household median income is 102k, take off 40% for taxes/deductions (obviously this varies) and 4k for property taxes (assuming median tax bill) and that is $1100 a week. How far that goes depends on dependents, mortgage, savings, pension, etc but probably not many Nordstrom-type shoppers in that income bracket.
That's a pretty high average.. considering that at 50k total sum of provincial tax, federal tax, CPP, and EI is about 25%.
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That's a pretty high average.. considering that at 50k total sum of provincial tax, federal tax, CPP, and EI is about 25%.
Depends how the income break down among family members. If 4 people make 25k each the household will pay almost no taxes, if one person makes all of the income for the household the marginal tax rate is 43% (plus a provincial surtax).

Pension deductions for federal workers are 11.7% after the cap max and 16.7% before that.

In actual retail news, HMV is in receivership, expected to fully close by April. Future 10 year olds are going to miss out.
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Totally agree with you but Nordstrom is not targeted for the ultra-rich. They spend their money in Yorkville / Bloor area (Toronto), Ogilvie’s in Montreal or Holt in Vancouver at stores or in store boutiques such as Channel, Dior, Dolce, Oscar De La Renta or Louis Vuitton. Nordstrom is not selling a $20k Hermes handbag or a $10k Channel summer dress. Ottawa is not getting a full line Saks Fifth Avenue since there is not enough ultra-rich but Nordstrom is for the rich and upper middle class.

I would say that a Nordstrom is a BMW or Mercedes in the car world (we see plenty of them on the road) were the ultra-rich would buy a Bentley, Aston Martin or Ferrari as an example. BMW or Mercedes have entry level pricing which is more than the American big 3 and goes up, same as Nordstrom.
The Nordstrom in Vancouver has an instore space for Delvaux, they have some bags over $35,000, they have signs asking you not to touch them. They also have instore shops for Lowe, Laboutin, Burberry, Balenciaga, Gucci etc. They are really taking a bite out of Holt Renfrew out here on the west coast.

The Calgary Nordstrom has a lot of lower tier brands like Chloe, Michael Kors, Ferragamo, UGG etc.

The ones I have been to in the USA are not as high end as the ones they are opening in Canada. Nordstrom Northgate in seattle for instance doesn't carry anything high end, they carry Kate Spade or Michael Kors whereas the Bellevue store carries Fendi, Gucci, Burberry, Chanel, Moncler and more high end brands.

Seems like they studied what they would carry in the Canadian Markets and adjusted brands for each market.

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The Nordstrom in Vancouver has an instore space for Delvaux, they have some bags over $35,000, they have signs asking you not to touch them. They also have instore shops for Lowe, Laboutin, Burberry, Balenciaga, Gucci etc. They are really taking a bite out of Holt Renfrew out here on the west coast.

The Calgary Nordstrom has a lot of lower tier brands like Chloe, Michael Kors, Ferragamo, UGG etc.

The ones I have been to in the USA are not as high end as the ones they are opening in Canada. Nordstrom Northgate in seattle for instance doesn't carry anything high end, they carry Kate Spade or Michael Kors whereas the Bellevue store carries Fendi, Gucci, Burberry, Chanel, Moncler and more high end brands.

Seems like they studied what they would carry in the Canadian Markets and adjusted brands for each market.
With all the Chinese visiting and residing in Vancouver, that city is in a class of its own in regards to the Canadian market. Asians go nuts for high end brands, particularly handbags. Having said that, Nordstrom definitely did their homework as to what works in every city.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2017, 9:30 PM
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With all the Chinese visiting and residing in Vancouver, that city is in a class of its own in regards to the Canadian market. Asians go nuts for high end brands, particularly handbags. Having said that, Nordstrom definitely did their homework as to what works in every city.
Spent some time in mainland China and the Chinese do not trust any of the products that are sold in any luxury store since they have no idea if an employee switched a product such as a handbag in the store with a fake, which is a reason why they make their purchases abroad. They have all of the high end stores in Being and Shanghai but it is all about the trust factor.

Yah, it looks like they did their homework on what sells. Simons when they first opened in Gatineau, they were selling some mid tier (all relative to your pocket book) products such as Chloe handbags, but they stopped that, I am guessing they did not have a market for it.
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Spent some time in mainland China and the Chinese do not trust any of the products that are sold in any luxury store since they have no idea if an employee switched a product such as a handbag in the store with a fake, which is a reason why they make their purchases abroad. They have all of the high end stores in Being and Shanghai but it is all about the trust factor.

Yah, it looks like they did their homework on what sells. Simons when they first opened in Gatineau, they were selling some mid tier (all relative to your pocket book) products such as Chloe handbags, but they stopped that, I am guessing they did not have a market for it.
The market is there, but many people keep these purchases for when they visit Montreal or Toronto, or even better yet, cities like NYC, London or Paris. I have rich Japanese and Thai girl friends who will buy branded bags only in Europe even if they have Chanel, Hermes and Louis Vuitton shops in Tokyo and Bangkok. Also, the interest coming from westerners for these high end brands is minuscule compared to the frothing at the mouth craziness they have in Asia for them.
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Outdoor equipment, apparel retailers grow in competitive Canadian retail market

The Canadian Press ~ OBJ
Published on January 31, 2017


In a country bordering three oceans, boasting the Rocky Mountains and dotted with more than 40 national parks, it seems natural that outdoor apparel and equipment retailers would flourish.

Three such companies all have plans to expand their national footprints in the near future, growing their store count as bricks-and-mortar retailers struggle to keep their doors open.

There is "definitely a robust marketplace for them to play in," said Matt Teeple, the director of sports for NPD Group, a market-research firm.

MEC, which already boasts 21 locations, plans to open a new store in Kitchener, Ont., and a second location in Calgary. A third store for Calgary is planned for 2019. The company will also upgrade its Vancouver and Toronto locations to bigger buildings next year.

SAIL, which sells outdoor, camping, hunting and fishing equipment, totals 10 stores in Quebec and Ontario with plans for 11 as of April, spokeswoman Kathy Kourlas wrote in an email. SAIL also wants to open additional stores in Ontario and Quebec in the immediate future, she said, but did not elaborate on how many and how soon.

Outfitting retailer Cabela's operates 11 stores – including one in Kanata that opened last September – and plans to open one in Halifax next year.

Meanwhile, retailers in other sectors are folding their operations. Last week, a judge approved an application to place music chain HMV Canada Inc. into receivership and close its 102 stores.

In recent memory, Danier Leather, Mexx Canada, Smart Set, Jacob and Blacks are among some of the chains suffering similar fates and shuttering storefronts across Canada.

MEC, a brand built on outfitting backcountry enthusiasts, says it manages to maintain momentum by changing along with Canadians.

"We know that to be relevant into the future, we have to do things differently," said CEO David Labistour.

MEC noticed its members were just as active in the cities they lived in as they were in the wilderness.

In 2015, the company introduced its first collection of skis and snowboards for resort-style downhill skiers. It has also added goods for urban-dwellers who get their activity fix by cycling and running, Labistour says.

Since its rebranding, MEC's grown from 17 locations to 21, and Labistour said there's no question it was a good decision.

The company's shift makes sense, said Teeple, considering more Canadians are a softer type of outdoorsy consumer.

Nearly half of Canadians identify as outdoorsy, he said, citing NPD Group data. However only about 11 per cent would go so far as to say they're a backcountry type of outdoor enthusiast, according to an online survey the firm conducted between Sept. 1 and 9 last year. Nearly three times that – or 29 per cent – fit into a softer version, one that enjoys camping, walking, hiking, cycling, and aerobic or other types of workouts.

The polling industry's professional body, the Marketing Research and Intelligence Association, says online surveys cannot be assigned a margin of error because they do not randomly sample the population.

While the increased assortment may make MEC attractive to more customers, it also exposes it to competition from retailers it previously didn't contend against, said Teeple, like the Running Room or SportChek.

It's a competitive market that's gaining players, he said. Walmart, for example, sells fitness products and fashion retailer H&M offers clothes aimed at the sector.

This increased competition, as players like MEC expand and compete for market share of a broader array of fitness products, can only be good for consumers, Teeple said.

"Greater competition can lead to more variety, better prices and greater accessibility to those products."

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Old Posted Feb 1, 2017, 12:30 AM
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I think you all missed the point for why people don't care about Nordstrom... Ottawa has a good income but terrible fashion sense!
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I think you all missed the point for why people don't care about Nordstrom... Ottawa has a good income but terrible fashion sense!

Canadians at large have terrible fashion sense. Only Montreal appears to somewhat stand out a little in this regard. Besides that, it's pretty much knuckle dragging utilitarian threads from coast to coast
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Canadians at large have terrible fashion sense. Only Montreal appears to somewhat stand out a little in this regard. Besides that, it's pretty much knuckle dragging utilitarian threads from coast to coast
I would say the same thing about the US, even scarier than Canada with the exception of a few cities like NY, Miami, Chicago, LA.
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I take issue with the fashion sense comment. I wear flip flops with socks all the time. Ditto for sneakers and dress clothes. I also wear cargo shorts with work boots sometimes, preferably in the winter.
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I take issue with the fashion sense comment. I wear flip flops with socks all the time. Ditto for sneakers and dress clothes. I also wear cargo shorts with work boots sometimes, preferably in the winter.
Not sure if that is sarcasm since the cargo shorts with boots in the middle of winter seems a bit extreme, especially the last few days.

I do have to say that Ottawa style has changed in the last 5 years, it has significantly improved.

We use to have to go out of town to purchase our clothes but recently, we have been able to buy local. It is no longer hard to be in style with Simons and fast fashion players such as Zara where they knock off runway styles quickly. Over the holidays, my wife cousin lives in Manhattan and his wife owns luxury consignment store with an online presence like therealreal. My wife was wearing a Zara blazer / jacket and she taught it was a Balmain jacket, she had the same jacket in stock, but Zara had knock it off and was selling it at 1/5 of the price.
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I take issue with the fashion sense comment. I wear flip flops with socks all the time. Ditto for sneakers and dress clothes. I also wear cargo shorts with work boots sometimes, preferably in the winter.
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Not sure if that is sarcasm since the cargo shorts with boots in the middle of winter seems a bit extreme, especially the last few days.

I do have to say that Ottawa style has changed in the last 5 years, it has significantly improved.

We use to have to go out of town to purchase our clothes but recently, we have been able to buy local.

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Heavy, heavy sarcasm. And yes, I agree Ottawa style has improved vastly in recent years. It's no surprise that this has occurred in conjunction with retail explosion here during that time frame. We didn't even have H&M until just a few years ago ...

Continuing ridicule in this regard is largely legacy, much like most Ottawa ridicule actually. Still, when the bad examples are seen it's quite painful.
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I take issue with the fashion sense comment. I wear flip flops with socks all the time. Ditto for sneakers and dress clothes. I also wear cargo shorts with work boots sometimes, preferably in the winter.
Oh my... I wonder what Melissa would think of that?
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I wish we could see Melissa on TV here, she is a hottie.
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Canadians at large have terrible fashion sense. Only Montreal appears to somewhat stand out a little in this regard. Besides that, it's pretty much knuckle dragging utilitarian threads from coast to coast
Utilitarian is good.
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Yes the fashion has gotten better, but there isn't a woman in Ottawa who knows how to properly wear a beret. But boy, do they try.
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