The Charlotte [560 Rideau St] | 46m | 14f | U/C - Page 3

Aylmer · #41 Posted **Jan 26, 2017, 6:53 PM**

Yeah, that's what I've always used/heard. Unlike for some other names, I've never heard the English version inserted into French.

Acajack · #42 Posted **Jan 26, 2017, 8:51 PM**

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Yeah, that's what I've always used/heard. Unlike for some other names, I've never heard the English version inserted into French.

I've definitely heard it before, often from people from out of town who are unfamiliar with the area. Kinda like francophones who don't know the region who say "Orleans" the English way when speaking in French, 'cause that's what they first heard it called.

Other than that, if you're from the area and say that in French, in my book it's about as classy as saying "m'as tchécker dans l'dishwasher"...

Acajack · #43 Posted **Jan 26, 2017, 9:03 PM**

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Côte-de-Sable? Really? Yes, I know that's the literal translation of Sandy Hill, but has it ever historically been referred to as that?

When I'm in Montreal, I never refer to Snowy Hill when I'm in Côte-des-Neiges.

Whether names are changed when switching languages is hit and miss. Generally they are not, but there are lots of exceptions.

Even in Montreal, lots of people say TMR or Town of Mount Royal (Ville Mont-Royal in French), or St. Lawrence for Boul. St- Laurent, Nun's Island for Île-des-Soeurs, Mountain Street for Rue de la Montagne.

As for Sandy Hill, it may very well be that the original name was the French one, as it was first the estate of Louis-Théodore Besserer. He later subdivided the land that became Sandy Hill.

The area also once had a much higher francophone population than today. For a very long time, it was home to Ottawa's francophone bourgeoisie.

So much so that the French CBC made its first (and still today a rare) dramatic series ever set outside Quebec about Sandy Hill: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_C%C3%B4te_de_sable

I am trying think of other place names in Ottawa that get translated by francophones. There aren't many anymore. St. Patrick St. used to be called Rue St-Patrice though, and St. Andrew St. was Rue St-André. And Dixième Ligne for Tenth Line Road in Orleans. All of these have largely faded from usage though.

Over here in Gatineau it's the same. Few names get translated. Maybe Mountain Road for Chemin de la Montagne. And a confusing one is the Lower Aylmer Road, which is sometimes used for Boulevard Lucerne.

Jayday23 · #44 Posted **Jun 6, 2018, 5:12 PM**

Big sign on the site announcing the coming of the Charlotte Condos.

https://www.thecharlottecondos.com/

Jayday23 · #45 Posted **Jan 21, 2019, 2:07 PM**

all advertising on the richcraft website, in addition to the Charlotte website itself, has been taken down..... probably not the best sign...

FutureWickedCity · #46 Posted **Jan 21, 2019, 3:15 PM**

It was not the most exciting project, but this stretch of Rideau is in dire need of some new development. Hopefully that project at the corner of Coburg will go ahead.

kevinbottawa · #47 Posted **Jan 21, 2019, 9:57 PM**

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all advertising on the richcraft website, in addition to the Charlotte website itself, has been taken down..... probably not the best sign...

I just noticed today they put up fencing around the sales centre. That wasn't there before.

MattRichling · #48 Posted **Jan 22, 2019, 4:53 PM**

They are still going ahead... sounds like pushing to release the project "next month".

Nowhere · #49 Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 2:11 AM**

3 months later, the website is still down.

https://www.richcraft.com/the-charlotte-condos/

eltodesukane · #50 Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 12:03 PM**

And this other project nearby, on Rideau x Chapel,
nothing happening for a long time.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4309856,...ajjm8zBEr35xllpoPaqCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Davis137 · #51 Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 3:16 PM**

Across the street from Horizon Towers...not the worst place to have a building of this scale...

eltodesukane · #52 Posted **Apr 29, 2019, 7:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by rocketphish

Côte-de-Sable? Really? Yes, I know that's the literal translation of Sandy Hill, but has it ever historically been referred to as that?

Corner Rideau and Nelson.

rocketphish · #53 Posted **Apr 30, 2019, 12:15 AM**

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Corner Rideau and Nelson.

Sure, but that's not historic. I assumed that any references to this french translation were just nouveau bilingualism. Was it called Côte-de-Sable two hundred years ago? Maybe it was.

Mille Sabords · #54 Posted **Apr 30, 2019, 12:26 AM**

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Sure, but that's not historic. I assumed that any references to this french translation were just nouveau bilingualism. Was it called Côte-de-Sable two hundred years ago? Maybe it was.

Oh, absolutely. Ask any Francophone family with deep Ottawa roots and they'll vouch for this. There was even a TV series in the 1960's with that title, set in the neighbourhood: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0189255/

Acajack · #55 Posted **May 2, 2019, 1:11 PM**

Not sure if it was *the only* name in the early days of Sandy Hill, but the Côte-de-Sable French name would certainly have been around in the very early days of the neighbourhood in the latter part of the 1800s.

The land was owned by Louis-Théodore Besserer who was from Quebec City. He built the first large house in the area and subdivided the land into what was to become Sandy Hill.

It was not exclusively francophone but for close to 100 years afterwards it was home to Ottawa's French Canadian bourgeoisie. A number of francophone institutions were located in the vicinity, including the Collège de Bytown (precursor to the University of Ottawa), the Rideau St. convent, and I believe for a long time the offices of newspaper LeDroit were around there too.

The controversial and infamous book L'Appel de la race, by Lionel Groulx (a Catholic priest who figured prominently in Mordecai Richler's writings on anti-Semitism in Quebec) also takes place in Sandy Hill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Race

MattRichling · #56 Posted **Jun 25, 2019, 6:23 PM**

Was told by the sales staff that they are planning to launch "later this fall", unsure exact date.

danishh · #57 Posted **Jun 25, 2019, 6:29 PM**

this is going to be a lake bowery redux, isnt it.

Jayday23 · #58 Posted **Jul 5, 2019, 7:23 PM**

Website is back up and mentions of it are on the richcraft website.

https://www.thecharlottecondos.com/?utm_...hat%27s%20New&utm_campaign=Richcraft.com

MattRichling · #59 Posted **Jul 30, 2019, 1:40 PM**

Getting a high level of ads for the project ... would indicate to me that they are preparing to launch later this fall. OR are testing the water to see the demand.

MattRichling · #60 Posted **Oct 7, 2019, 6:05 PM**

VIP launch October 19th

Received floorplans, need to organize them and can post a few. Here are some new renderings they posted.