Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by Orcair

""Please don't come to the meetings and talk about that because this decision has been made. The L-line is going ahead. It's going to be light rail," she said."

THANKS LINDA <3
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...lrt-under-construction-by-2018-1.3940921

Now all someone needs to defeat her and her party is to run on a anti-corruption platform and point to Hepner's terrible business decisions over the LRT and wanting to bring Helicopter pads all over the city.

To say nothing of the ugly city-owned properties.

[SFUVancouver]

In Charlotte, the Blue Line LRT route pops up over major intersections on these giant elevated bridge structures, some of which have stations on top. With that said, the Blue Line is primarily grade separated with very few level crossings.

[idunno]

I just checked, and Charlotte's Blue Line has a ridership of only around 20,000/weekday. Yay LRT

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by bardak

I find it completely outrages that we are going to spend 1 billion dollars on this LRT and the actually out come are worse than just running better bus service. Not full BRT just running better bus service. Simply running more frequent service that integrates with local lines would be better frequency, average travel times, and probably ridership.

Just a simple example of how it could be



All that is needed is the funding for more bus hours and maybe some new buses

Now that I see that, I think LRT is stupid even for this line.

A Skytrain line from White Rock, through Surrey into Pitt Meadows and Maple Ridge connecting at the WCE stations would really bring higher level transit to the area.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Metro Surrey? How the fuck would that work?

I mean, they could change the name of Metro Vancouver to Vancouver-Surrey Metropolitan Area or Vanurrey. (sorry, I'm terrible at marketing)

Metro Surrey for everything south of the Fraser, Metro Vancouver for everything north. I'm not sure where Richmond falls in this grand scheme though.

[logicbomb]

Daryl should really run for a seat in City Council. That's probably the only way you are going to make a dent in the decision-making process. The travisty is thay only 30% of eligible voters came out the last election...I recall a stat showing how 12% of youth 18 to 24 came out to vote.

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by Orcair

""Please don't come to the meetings and talk about that because this decision has been made. The L-line is going ahead. It's going to be light rail," she said."

THANKS LINDA <3
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...lrt-under-construction-by-2018-1.3940921

Lol. And here's the article where she promised it would be running by 2018!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/brit...rail-for-surrey-by-2018/article21607452/

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Daryl should really run for a seat in City Council. That's probably the only way you are going to make a dent in the decision-making process. The travisty is thay only 30% of eligible voters came out the last election...I recall a stat showing how 12% of youth 18 to 24 came out to vote.

I've always figured if you don't vote then you don't have any bitching rights.

Originally Posted by M00dy

Lol. And here's the article where she promised it would be running by 2018!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/brit...rail-for-surrey-by-2018/article21607452/

"You’re going to see that light rail on the ground by 2018. I am incredibly confident," Ms. Hepner told reporters.

I'm incredibly confident that there are people other than myself who see this LRT plan as a disaster waiting to happen - and an expensive disaster too.

[Trainguy]

Hepner's vision is to have everyone abandon their cars etc and hop on her stupid LRT taking up space on 104th. Is the LRT going to trigger all the lights so it doesn't have to stop at any intersections? Talk about a lack of vision and reality.
I am hoping this ridiculous plan never comes to fruition. Instead they should be building skytrain to Langley.

[Sheba]

I'm surprised no one has posted this here:
Have your say! Surrey LRT open houses and online survey begin January 23, 2017

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I'm surprised no one has posted this here:
Have your say! Surrey LRT open houses and online survey begin January 23, 2017

Also, feel free to go to the Transportation & Infrastructure Committee meeting in City Hall on Monday February 27 @ 2:30pm. Everyone directly involved with the project attends that.

I think the media needs to recognize the severe repercussions this project will pose on traffic. Unfortunately, a lot of residents seem ignorant of the fact that 104th Avenue will be reduced to 1 lane in each direction with limited left-turn lanes. I guarantee you many residents along this corridor will outright reject this stupid project if they hear about that.

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Also, feel free to go to the Transportation & Infrastructure Committee meeting in City Hall on Monday February 27 @ 2:30pm. Everyone directly involved with the project attends that.

I think the media needs to recognize the severe repercussions this project will pose on traffic. Unfortunately, a lot of residents seem ignorant of the fact that 104th Avenue will be reduced to 1 lane in each direction with limited left-turn lanes. I guarantee you many residents along this corridor will outright reject this stupid project if they hear about that.

Ooh that works way better for my schedule. Thanks!

[queetz@home]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I'm surprised no one has posted this here:
Have your say! Surrey LRT open houses and online survey begin January 23, 2017

Based on my experience with the Evergreen Line and Canada Line, I found those Open Houses very useless. Its just a check list for them to say they consulted the public, then they will pick comments from those that agree with what they want. Ultimately, the final decisions will really depend on the civic and provincial politicians on how the transit line will be built. If you want to influence, the best bet is just wait for the elections and vote on the candidate that aligns with your views, and hope there is enough people who agree and voted like you...

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Based on my experience with the Evergreen Line and Canada Line, I found those Open Houses very useless. Its just a check list for them to say they consulted the public, then they will pick comments from those that agree with what they want. Ultimately, the final decisions will really depend on the civic and provincial politicians on how the transit line will be built. If you want to influence, the best bet is just wait for the elections and vote on the candidate that aligns with your views, and hope there is enough people who agree and voted like you...

Agree. It's a waste of time since the top planners, engineers and council members are never present at those. They will probably get an jr planner or transportation planning assistant there to connect with the community.

I will advise anyone here to voice their opposition at the City Council and Committee meetings. Go one step further and contact a staff member/clerk to see if you can get some discussion time (application for delegation) at the committee meetings.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by idunno

I just checked, and Charlotte's Blue Line has a ridership of only around 20,000/weekday. Yay LRT

You can't relate poor ridership to the technology. American transit almost always has lower ridership in the same context, not to mention that there are a massive variety of factors including route choice, surrounding built form, and service levels. For instance, lots of American light rail is built along highways and freight corridors, thus serving not urban streets and neighbourhoods but big park & rides in various empty fields. Also, their frequencies tend to be a LOT lower. Every 15 minutes is a typical frequency for rapid transit in the US (light rail or subway). So I would expect Surrey's line to do much better than 20,000 people a day.

I always feel like I have to spit once I defend LRT, so once again, light rail sucks.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Now that I see that, I think LRT is stupid even for this line.

A Skytrain line from White Rock, through Surrey into Pitt Meadows and Maple Ridge connecting at the WCE stations would really bring higher level transit to the area.

It's not really an LRT/SkyTrain debate for this particular corridor. While your idea would be useful, it would definitely not be the most economical line to build right now.

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Metro Surrey for everything south of the Fraser, Metro Vancouver for everything north. I'm not sure where Richmond falls in this grand scheme though.

Richmond is very much tied to Vancouver, as is South Delta, which is why TransLink is currently developing a sub-regional plan for the Southwest (Richmond & South Delta). The lumping in of Delta into Surrey's orbit has never been grounded in reality, and I'm glad planning is starting to reflect that.

Either way, Metro Surrey is not a thing. Try all it wants, it will always be a Vancouver suburb.

Originally Posted by logicbomb

Daryl should really run for a seat in City Council. That's probably the only way you are going to make a dent in the decision-making process. The travisty is thay only 30% of eligible voters came out the last election...I recall a stat showing how 12% of youth 18 to 24 came out to vote.

Originally Posted by Sheba

I've always figured if you don't vote then you don't have any bitching rights.

Voting in local elections in the suburbs is extremely difficult. We don't have the money and political machines of the city. I am politically active and interested, and I was completely unable to find out anything about the council or mayor candidates in Delta in the last election.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

It's not really an LRT/SkyTrain debate for this particular corridor. While your idea would be useful, it would definitely not be the most economical line to build right now..

Then why not leave it as is and focus on other more economical lines?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by queetz@home

Based on my experience with the Evergreen Line and Canada Line, I found those Open Houses very useless. Its just a check list for them to say they consulted the public, then they will pick comments from those that agree with what they want. Ultimately, the final decisions will really depend on the civic and provincial politicians on how the transit line will be built. If you want to influence, the best bet is just wait for the elections and vote on the candidate that aligns with your views, and hope there is enough people who agree and voted like you...

"and online survey"

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Then why not leave it as is and focus on other more economical lines?

I meant your idea for a line from White Rock through Surrey to Pitt Meadows. As far as the Surrey L Line, because politics. The Langley line is clearly much more important, while the L line could be left as a rapid bus for decades still.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I meant your idea for a line from White Rock through Surrey to Pitt Meadows. As far as the Surrey L Line, because politics. The Langley line is clearly much more important, while the L line could be left as a rapid bus for decades still.

Why build the line first?
Why not leave that line and build other more needed lines.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Why build the line first?
Why not leave that line and build other more needed lines.

What don't you get? All decisions are made based on:

Personal gain- Those pushing for this project are getting kickbacks
Politics- maintain political power or cement a legacy
Money- handing out lucrative contracts to friends and donors (ties in with personal gain)

There is no such thing as rational planning. The City could have invested in better bus shelters or upgraded transit hubs. They could have created new roads or built more bus queue jumpers on all major FTN routes...etc..

This is a project that will solely do well for the politicians and stakeholders involved. If it was otherwise, they would have held a referendum or staged multiple open houses and community engagement events.