New Central Library | Construction - Page 46

christmas · #**901** Posted **Jan 15, 2017, 1:06 AM**

Wow just like the renderings!

Calgarian · #**902** Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 7:54 PM**

Sounds like there were issues with some of the steel trusses for the Library that required them to re-fabricate some of the pieces.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-library-construction-delay-1.3940638

Design-mind · #**903** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 3:18 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Sounds like there were issues with some of the steel trusses for the Library that required them to re-fabricate some of the pieces.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-library-construction-delay-1.3940638

Explains why no cladding has been placed in this area over the past few weeks. Hopefully it won't be delayed to much longer.

suburbia · #**904** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 6:02 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Sounds like there were issues with some of the steel trusses for the Library that required them to re-fabricate some of the pieces.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-library-construction-delay-1.3940638

Not a surprise. Calgary's construction industry is inept and can't measure / calculate. Challenges with The Bow's plates, building a bridge that was the wrong size over Shagganappi, and now this.

craner · #**905** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 6:16 AM**

^Yeah - that is an incredibly long list.

suburbia · #**906** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 3:52 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by craner

^Yeah - that is an incredibly long list.

Representative, not exhaustive.

You don't often see a physical single-span bridge being lowers down to columns that it doesn't reach, so not all errors are equal. A single one like that is likely unacceptable. Imaging ordering an LRT can that when it arrives in Calgary from Germany doesn't fit on the width of our track!

The case with The Bow was not as publicly visible, but as deplorable arguably. The construction folks didn't convert properly between metric and imperial units, resulting in large numbers of plates that wouldn't fit, massive re-fabrication costs, and massive delays.

WhipperSnapper · #**907** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 4:04 PM**

LOL, You'll be going on about this shit 20 years from now. People are infallible. Stop making it out like it doesn't occur elsewhere and in other industries. I could tell you stories about our oligopoly of financial services corporations that would break your neck.

The article is a fluff, filler piece. It was discovered at the plant So what. These aren't standard prefab pieces. It can happen very easily during tempering.

But that takes the fun out of it for you. Ignorance is bliss.

fusili · #**908** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 4:12 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

LOL, You'll be going on about this shit 20 years from now. People are infallible. Stop making it out like it doesn't occur elsewhere and in other industries. I could tell you stories about our oligopoly of financial services corporations that would break your neck.

The article is a fluff, filler piece. It was discovered at the plant So what. These aren't standard prefab pieces. It can happen very easily during tempering.

But that takes the fun out of it for you. Ignorance is bliss.

Or errors in medical practice, in sports, banking, insurance, clothing design, manufacturing, etc. Unless someone can provide a study that compares the error rate between various trade areas, say the 50 largest north American cities, than this is all heresy and anecdotal evidence. Which I am increasingly getting less patient with.

Suburgatory · #**909** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 4:25 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by suburbia

Representative, not exhaustive.

You don't often see a physical single-span bridge being lowers down to columns that it doesn't reach, so not all errors are equal. A single one like that is likely unacceptable. Imaging ordering an LRT can that when it arrives in Calgary from Germany doesn't fit on the width of our track!

The case with The Bow was not as publicly visible, but as deplorable arguably. The construction folks didn't convert properly between metric and imperial units, resulting in large numbers of plates that wouldn't fit, massive re-fabrication costs, and massive delays.

I bought a shirt once and a button didn't line up with its hole. It was deplorable.

ST1 · #**910** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 8:35 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusili

Or errors in medical practice, in sports, banking, insurance, clothing design, manufacturing, etc. Unless someone can provide a study that compares the error rate between various trade areas, say the 50 largest north American cities, than this is all heresy and anecdotal evidence. Which I am increasingly getting less patient with.

Really, you need a study to prove that errors exist in other fields?? Ever heard of the term malpractice suit, or manufacture recall??

ST1 · #**911** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 8:42 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by suburbia

Not a surprise. Calgary's construction industry is inept and can't measure / calculate. Challenges with The Bow's plates, building a bridge that was the wrong size over Shagganappi, and now this.

Would you give it a f***ng rest already about the Calgary construction industry ineptness!

Mistakes have also been made by architects on major projects, by doctor's operating on patients and on battery designs for smartphones, you name it. I'm not saying mistakes are to be accepted, I'm saying that they happen, and not just in the Calgary construction industry.

A 3 second google search turned up pages full of construction and design issues around the world.
http://www.businessinsider.com/10-bigges...?op=1/#mets-citi-field-queens-new-york-2

fusili · #**912** Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 9:11 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST1

Really, you need a study to prove that errors exist in other fields?? Ever heard of the term malpractice suit, or manufacture recall??

I probably worded that poorly. I meant to say that the assertion that "Calgary trades are inept" needs to have actual backing. What I meant was that errors exist in all areas of practice, and none are exempt. Simply mentioning several cases of error in construction does not prove that Calgary construction trades experience a high rate of error than in other jurisdictions (like, Pittsburg or something).

suburbia · #**913** Posted **Jan 20, 2017, 12:06 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

It was discovered at the plant So what. These aren't standard prefab pieces. It can happen very easily during tempering.

I do agree that this one is nothing compared to the two examples I shared. Microfractures on such custom beams is not the same as forgetting to measure a bridge.

speedog · #**914** Posted **Jan 20, 2017, 2:28 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by suburbia

Not a surprise. Calgary's construction industry is inept and can't measure / calculate. Challenges with The Bow's plates, building a bridge that was the wrong size over Shagganappi, and now this.

You know I've never blocked you or anyone else on this forum or others I frequent but this statement of yours is about as asinine as any I've seen over the years.

Blanket statements such as yours about the construction industry show how much of a fool you really are. Maybe you should come to the job site I've been at for the past 6 months and see that us construction people actually aren't inept and can do the things you claim we can't and more. Hell, we've even figured out how to keep our knuckles from dragging on the ground and know how to wipe our asses with toilet paper.

Problem is people like you are far too stubborn and set in your ways to bother with actually being enlightened once in a while. Your loss. And my gain as well.

Rollerstud98 · #**915** Posted **Jan 20, 2017, 3:28 AM**

What trade are you in speedog? I did home renos for 11 years then branched off in to oil safety for 3 years before being laid off. Just finished first year of my refrigeration apprenticeship.

speedog · #**916** Posted **Jan 20, 2017, 3:40 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollerstud98

What trade are you in speedog? I did home renos for 11 years then branched off in to oil safety for 3 years before being laid off. Just finished first year of my refrigeration apprenticeship.

Got into cabinet installation about 18 months ago but haven't touched a cabinet in over 4 months now. It's been all solid core swing and barn doors (1,150 between four guys) for the last 4+ months with some steel frames and steel doors tossed into the mix as well and now it's suspended wood slat ceilings for the last two weeks and probably the next month. Been working in a new supportive care facility for the past 6 months and a bit. Coming up, bathroom hardware, door kick plates and other miscellaneous stuff the site super keeps tossing at our crew of four.

After this, a 158 unit townhouse complex where we've got all the cabinets, subfloors, doors and door frames and finishing work and another 60 unit rental complex with the same work. Busy, busy.

googspecial · #**917** Posted **Jan 20, 2017, 2:41 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedog

Got into cabinet installation about 18 months ago but haven't touched a cabinet in over 4 months now. It's been all solid core swing and barn doors (1,150 between four guys) for the last 4+ months with some steel frames and steel doors tossed into the mix as well and now it's suspended wood slat ceilings for the last two weeks and probably the next month. Been working in a new supportive care facility for the past 6 months and a bit. Coming up, bathroom hardware, door kick plates and other miscellaneous stuff the site super keeps tossing at our crew of four.

Was this only for commercial buildings? Curious to see how it'd look in a residential home...

speedog · #**918** Posted **Jan 21, 2017, 1:01 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by googspecial

Was this only for commercial buildings? Curious to see how it'd look in a residential home...

Right now I'm undecided, I'll post a picture in a bit. It is expensive though, $10 a foot for a 3.75" wide board and that doesn't include cost and installation of the accompanying metal structure required to mount this wood product to. So figure at least $30 per square foot just for the wood product - my living room at 325 square feet would run about $10,000 just for the wood. The site I'm working at has just over $200,000 of this stuff being installed.

suburbia · #**919** Posted **Jan 21, 2017, 2:21 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedog

Right now I'm undecided, I'll post a picture in a bit. It is expensive though, $10 a foot for a 3.75" wide board and that doesn't include cost and installation of the accompanying metal structure required to mount this wood product to. So figure at least $30 per square foot just for the wood product - my living room at 325 square feet would run about $10,000 just for the wood. The site I'm working at has just over $200,000 of this stuff being installed.

I'm guessing that's what the charge to the client is. Would be curious to know what the construction folks actually pay >wink-wink<

Suburgatory · #**920** Posted **Jan 21, 2017, 6:44 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by suburbia

I'm guessing that's what the charge to the client is. Would be curious to know what the construction folks actually pay >wink-wink<

Solid finishing wood isn't cheap.
http://www.amwoodinc.com/pricelistlandv.aspx