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Old Posted Jan 19, 2017, 4:15 AM
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Talk to Pincott's office. I share Brian's concern that any engagement sessions under the SW BRT banner will attract the Ready to Engage crowd and drown out the pedestrian/cyclist crowd.

This bridge has tremendous opportunity to open up South Glenmore to residents of Chinook Park, Haysboro, and maybe even Acadia. However, it has to be done right. In this case, spending a little bit more money for greater functionality is good plan.
Thanks for the info Cage! I agree, it's a politically contentious issue for Pincott. I really hope the SW BRT turns out good and shuts up all the 'nay' sayers.
     
     
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I don't take transit so I don't want anybody to be able to take transit! Those naysayers?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2017, 6:16 PM
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I don't take transit so I don't want anybody to be able to take transit! Those naysayers?
And don't forget that their houses will be worthless once an army of shopping cart wielding homeless people disembark from the BRT stations and spark a massive crime wave.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2017, 6:34 PM
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Anyone make it out to the 17Ave SE BRT phase 2 open house last night?
17th ave Phase 1 and 2 open house tonight at the Southview Community Association, 2020 33 Street S.E. 5:30 – 8 p.m.

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...t-phase-1-28-st-se-to-hubalta-rd-se.aspx
     
     
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Firemen don't even get poles anymore lol, the new Mount Pleasant Response Station has 3 spiral slides installed!
Sounds like I need to walk a few blocks and get a tour of that station
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2017, 12:21 AM
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Sounds like I need to walk a few blocks and get a tour of that station
Watch out for the flashing buried under the snow by the garbage bin, I took a nasty spill there last week! LOL. I guess most of it should be melted now with this heat wave.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2017, 11:27 PM
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Reference material is now available online for phase 2 of the 17th Ave SE Transitway. I'm really excited to see the project move forward as I think 17th Ave has great potential to evolve into a great mixed use corridor... plus I'm looking forward to being able to take an express bus along the transitway from downtown to Elliston Park to enjoy Global Fest.

I also think that with the construction of the full length of the transitway now happening, 17th Ave SE combined with Inglewood has the potential to eventually evolve into having Calgary's first streetcar service in decades as the transitway can easily be converted and the land east of the city limits offers plenty of opportunities for maintenance and storage facilities to be built.

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...17ave-se-brt-phase-2-jan-2017-boards.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2017, 2:14 AM
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Reference material is now available online for phase 2 of the 17th Ave SE Transitway. I'm really excited to see the project move forward as I think 17th Ave has great potential to evolve into a great mixed use corridor... plus I'm looking forward to being able to take an express bus along the transitway from downtown to Elliston Park to enjoy Global Fest.

I also think that with the construction of the full length of the transitway now happening, 17th Ave SE combined with Inglewood has the potential to eventually evolve into having Calgary's first streetcar service in decades as the transitway can easily be converted and the land east of the city limits offers plenty of opportunities for maintenance and storage facilities to be built.

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...17ave-se-brt-phase-2-jan-2017-boards.pdf
Thanks for posting that!

I think phase 3 entails the creation of a streetcar that ties into the Inglewood LRT station. Both would use the same rolling stock...the Siemens s70 IIRC.
     
     
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Reference material is now available online for phase 2 of the 17th Ave SE Transitway. I'm really excited to see the project move forward as I think 17th Ave has great potential to evolve into a great mixed use corridor... plus I'm looking forward to being able to take an express bus along the transitway from downtown to Elliston Park to enjoy Global Fest.

I also think that with the construction of the full length of the transitway now happening, 17th Ave SE combined with Inglewood has the potential to eventually evolve into having Calgary's first streetcar service in decades as the transitway can easily be converted and the land east of the city limits offers plenty of opportunities for maintenance and storage facilities to be built.

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/...17ave-se-brt-phase-2-jan-2017-boards.pdf
I think that's a bit of a misconception and is made to look a lot easier on paper than in reality.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2017, 10:45 PM
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I think that's a bit of a misconception and is made to look a lot easier on paper than in reality.
What are some of the challenges when making the conversion?
     
     
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What are some of the challenges when making the conversion?
Closing down the original line for the conversion, and running utilities. Also, I doubt Calgary will suffer from this fate, but many (Seattle, Ottawa) seem to have used geometry assumptions that didn't hold up and required expensive rebuilds.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2017, 7:33 PM
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Closing down the original line for the conversion, and running utilities. Also, I doubt Calgary will suffer from this fate, but many (Seattle, Ottawa) seem to have used geometry assumptions that didn't hold up and required expensive rebuilds.
Why not just run the buses in mixed traffic during the conversion? I doubt ridership would be high? I also don't think throwing rails in the ground, overhead lines and traction power stations would take that long to build.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2017, 7:37 PM
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Why not just run the buses in mixed traffic during the conversion? I doubt ridership would be high? I also don't think throwing rails in the ground, overhead lines and traction power stations would take that long to build.
In Seattle they needed to change the platform height, in addition, their tunnel after conversion still accommodate buses, but can't take trolley buses, so routes needed to be re-planned in a big way.

Running in mixed traffic is what is done yeah, but pretty hard to argue that it isn't a massive disruption.
     
     
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What are some of the challenges when making the conversion?
Some discussion here: https://lightrailnow.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/bus-operations-as-precursors-of-light-rail-transit/, with details in a conference journal article linked within.

If I can paraphrase:
  • Don't spend too much money on bus-specific infrastructure that needs to be destroyed and rebuilt
  • Transition works best if there are parallel roadways on which to run temporary bus services during the conversion.
  • Don't screw up the planning and forget some important detail about how you would need to construct the railway.
  • Have perfect knowledge of the future and allow your specifications to work well with the vehicles chosen in the future, which are inevitably not the same vehicles that exist today.

Okay, I added the last one out of spite, but saying that it would use the same rolling stock as Green Line is jumping the 🞵🞵🞵 when (unless I'm forgetting something) I don't think the Green Line has made any such decisions yet! (Though I wouldn't fall over in surprise if it did use the S70.)
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Why not just run the buses in mixed traffic during the conversion? I doubt ridership would be high? I also don't think throwing rails in the ground, overhead lines and traction power stations would take that long to build.
It's mostly been covered above, but I did find this to be an interesting notion. Why would we be converting to begin with, if ridership weren't reasonably high? If the idea is that we would be doing so to attract more riders, then you'd have to ask why not just do it to begin with and secondly, the disruption required to implement the conversion would be a very poor way to attract said riders. If you really want to frustrate transit customers, reduce their level of service considerably for several years.

I think you underestimate how much effort doing those things takes - not just from a construction side, but also a planning and other operational issues.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2017, 5:10 AM
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It's mostly been covered above, but I did find this to be an interesting notion. Why would we be converting to begin with, if ridership weren't reasonably high? If the idea is that we would be doing so to attract more riders, then you'd have to ask why not just do it to begin with and secondly, the disruption required to implement the conversion would be a very poor way to attract said riders. If you really want to frustrate transit customers, reduce their level of service considerably for several years.

I think you underestimate how much effort doing those things takes - not just from a construction side, but also a planning and other operational issues.
Good point! I didn't really think that through.

I find that I'm very biased towards rail, I forget the benefits of a true BRT system
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2017, 6:17 AM
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Good point! I didn't really think that through.

I find that I'm very biased towards rail, I forget the benefits of a true BRT system
The whole technology thing is always kinda fun. Let's see where it goes.

I don't necessarily think it's an unfair bias, thus a bias. There are tangible advantages with rail over even a true BRT. These are often just written off, dare I say, almost because of a BRT (true) bias; often stemming from it's easier/quicker (supposedly) implementation. In this light, context is everything. What I'm subtly getting at, were the portion of the 17 Ave SE line not problematic west of Deerfoot, is that we'd have to ask ourselves why not just go right to rail? We're already reconstructing an entire street. The stations are envisioned to be of fairly high quality and there will be signal modifications required regardless - the marginal cost between a busway and trackbed within that right of way is likely quite minimal. Again, the issue would be west of Deerfoot.

Interestingly, a big challenge with this project was the very constrained right of way. Although it may seem negligible, one benefit which would have been realized in this context, is that it could have shaved off some of the required right-of-way- say 0.5 to 1.0 m.
     
     
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Couple bits of transit and close-to-transit news:

1. Transportation Planning department to study LRT grade separation at 25the Ave SE; Metro article:
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The City of Calgary wants the train crossing at 25 Avenue SE and Macleod Trail out of the way. The question now is – do they go over or under? ...
2. Birchwood Properties is proposing to replace a set of lower-density townhouses immediately southeast of the Dalhousie Station parking lot and bus loop with a higher-density development. Dalhousie Community Association gives the original proposal as follows (calgary.ca web page says resubmitted application lowers some of these numbers):
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  • Proposed Use: Multi-Residential Development with Residential supportive Commercial uses
  • Density: to a maximum of 1,200 residential units in phases
  • Floor Area: 5.5 FAR or approximately 825,000 SF (77,000 SM)
  • Building Height: approximately 110 metres plus mechanical penthouse
Open house coming up on Feb 21, and more details at http://www.calgary.ca/dalhousie
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Couple bits of transit and close-to-transit news:

1. Transportation Planning department to study LRT grade separation at 25the Ave SE; Metro article:
FTA: Zoran Carkic, senior transportation engineer with Transportation Planning, said the problem is that the train always gets the right-of-way at the intersection.
“The train is always accommodated first – that causes operational issues with other traffic and pedestrians,” he said.


Hopefully this point is not lost on those planning green line up Center...


A little surprised the interchange for 25th is off the books though, has the Heritage interchange been axed as well?

Seems like the whole 25th av upgrade from Blackfoot to Macleod could be built for less cost than moving LRT, given the close quarters there.. and would be much more useful for infill development in the area. If they go to the trouble of moving the tracks, might as well bury the whole thing up to CP tunnel and remove the barrier between beltline and stampede

I can see the neighborhood objections to building a raised interchange there, bridges being unholy earth ruining monsters and all.. maybe 25 av could be run under Macleod/LRT instead?
     
     
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I was thinking running 25th under as well but not sure about clearances due to the tracks coming out from underground right there.
     
     
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