YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[excel]

Originally Posted by nname

Just noticed the YVR flight departure/arrival page now list flights operating out of south terminal. Seems like it only have info for Pacific Coastal and WestJet flights operating in and out of gate G1 and G3 so far... (how many gates are there??)

Zero gates. Just a ramp with designated parking spots for Pacific Coastal, Orca Airways, Island Express, KD Air and a couple parking spots for chartered jet flights usually Air North or Flair Air. I haven't seen WS use it much but I am sure they run chartered flights out of there from time to time. There is a security checkpoint and waiting room for secured destinations. Non secured destinations such as Bella Coola, Bella Bella, Masset, Port Hardy, Trail etc... can board without security clearance whatsoever at the south side of the terminal. Often this includes the chartered jet flights that fly to unsecured airports, hence the reason for using the south terminal as it saves costs and time. (Yes, this means anyone can bring a gun or bomb undetected on to these flights )

[nname]

I guess the gate 'G1' means the secured area, and 'G3' means the non-secured one. Here is a list of 'gate assignment' for tomorrow:

G1: Campbell River (8P), Comox (8P), Cranbrook (8P), Victoria (8P), Williams Lake (8P)
G3: Anahim Lake (8P), Bella Bella (8P), Masset (8P), Port Hardy (8P), Powell River (8P), Tofino (OR), Trail (8P)
no gate: Firebag (WS)

[excel]

Yup that's exactly it. Funny because I have never heard of the South Terminal being referred to as G gates and I used to work there.

[nname]

Maybe its something new...

Existing A, B, C, D, E piers, with the proposed east concourse being 'F', so the next letter would be 'G'...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by excel

Yup that's exactly it. Funny because I have never heard of the South Terminal being referred to as G gates and I used to work there.

Originally Posted by nname

Maybe its something new...

Existing A, B, C, D, E piers, with the proposed east concourse being 'F', so the next letter would be 'G'...

Why not call the South Terminal the 'satellite' terminal, or such?

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by casper

In comparison to what it use to be with CP Air:
https://youtu.be/x72sOlbmD7k

The Reno Machine Come to think of it, it may be same model of aircraft still serving that route.

i remember flying CP air as a kid, i used to love it, i would always keep the little salt & pepper shakers you got with the meal. ahh the days of airline food.

i used to really like the livery of CP Air too, i had a little model plane, i think the pilot would give it to kids when they visited the cockpit, i know i got some british airway wings when i visited the pilot on a BA flight, I still have them somewhere... also got some stuff from SA airlines. I remember they used to give out toys too and there were cool stuff but got less exciting. I had this cool gyro toy thing from one of the airlines and some of those bendy poseable things and then they started to just give stickers or plastic crap, sort of how cracker jack used to give great stuff then just stickers...

one of the gyro toy things was like this


or these i got a few of these


the one i had was like this - the wheels collapsed and everything


I am glad i got to experience the golden age of flying

[SpongeG]

is capital airlines new to YVR? i keep getting this banner today on here

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR-MIA is a perfect route for the 737 MAX 8. I would expect AC to start that route sometime in 2018, if it is indeed the largest unserved Canada-U.S. market.

Mind you, the A319 can currently do YVR-MIA non stop, even with the winter headwinds on the way back. So AC doesnt seem to think it is worth it just yet.

They did use the A319 on that route. I flew it in 2002 and it was long and weight restricted. Trying it now with a Rouge A319 would be cruel and unusual punishment.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

is capital airlines new to YVR? i keep getting this banner today on here

Yes, the route just started Dec 30th.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR-MIA is a perfect route for the 737 MAX 8. I would expect AC to start that route sometime in 2018, if it is indeed the largest unserved Canada-U.S. market.

Yep, just the tricky bit that AC doesn't have their Max' yet.

When I calculated it a year back there was enough O&D alone to support a daily 737, not even factoring in connecting PAX.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR-MIA is a perfect route for the 737 MAX 8. I would expect AC to start that route sometime in 2018, if it is indeed the largest unserved Canada-U.S. market.

Mind you, the A319 can currently do YVR-MIA non stop, even with the winter headwinds on the way back. So AC doesnt seem to think it is worth it just yet.

SOrry to bust dreams.....But i think that YVR will be out of the loop

Cathay Pacific already flies to Miami via Air Cargo (Frankfurt actually) as does China Airlines. They both have maintenance bases here. China Airlines has already test flown a extended range Boeing 787 from Taiwan to Miami (8600 nm). Cathay is having a extended range A350 made for the trip. Don't get your hopes up bc MIA knows they have an untapped market in Asia. And connecting in Vancouver is not in any of those plans.

In one to two years you will be seeing MIA to Asia direct. Its a 16.5 hour flight to Asia.

I dont think there is a market full time from MIA to YVR. They are both very different cities in terms of business and pleasure.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

SOrry to bust dreams.....But i think that YVR will be out of the loop

Cathay Pacific already flies to Miami via Air Cargo (Frankfurt actually) as does China Airlines. They both have maintenance bases here. China Airlines has already test flown a extended range Boeing 787 from Taiwan to Miami (8600 nm). Cathay is having a extended range A350 made for the trip. Don't get your hopes up bc MIA knows they have an untapped market in Asia. And connecting in Vancouver is not in any of those plans.

In one to two years you will be seeing MIA to Asia direct. Its a 16.5 hour flight to Asia.

I dont think there is a market full time from MIA to YVR. They are both very different cities in terms of business and pleasure.

Hmm, strange then that CX is considering it and looking to revise the bilateral. You must know something they don't.

Also, interesting that there isn't a market between YVR and MIA when the O&D information from statscan says the complete opposite....

[Gordon]

Maybe Summer seasonal Cruise traffic?

[excel]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Maybe Summer seasonal Cruise traffic?

You could say the same for the reverse direction in the winter.

[nname]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

Cathay is having a extended range A350 made for the trip. Don't get your hopes up bc MIA knows they have an untapped market in Asia. And connecting in Vancouver is not in any of those plans.

I thought they did not order any A350ULR? A regular A350 running the route would have to take payload restriction. The would need A350ULR, B772LR, or B777-8X to run the route... and CX did not order any of them.

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by nname

I thought they did not order any A350ULR? A regular A350 running the route would have to take payload restriction. The would need A350ULR, B772LR, or B777-8X to run the route... and CX did not order any of them.

My source:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article85540087.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-04/tesla-flips-the-switch-on-the-gigafactory

The last seasonal cruise traffic wasn't enough for a daily AA767 twenty years ago
But that was a bigge less efficient jet.

I really dont see that many people from here wanting to go on an Alaskan cruise in the summer. Maybe people wanting to go to Whistler/Blackcomb but again most go to Colorado. Maybe BCers going on a carribean cruise could justify it?

Westjet has direct flights from YYC to FLL so maybe YVR would work? I dont know.

Did someone post the O&D stats for MIA to YVR. How exactly are they calculated. Many people here don't even know where Vancouver is. They think its by Montreal.

Geography is not a strong point down here.
Nonetheless with all the valid arguments a direct Asia to Florida flight...... and Miami being the gateway to South America, you wont really need a Vancouver stopover.

[nname]

Originally Posted by moosejaw

Nonetheless with all the valid arguments a direct Asia to Florida flight...... and Miami being the gateway to South America, you wont really need a Vancouver stopover.

Well, I still don't see a direct non-stop MIA-HKG flight. MIA-PEK or MIA-NRT maybe, but HKG is just too far and costly to serve non-stop. If CX start MIA-HKG tomorrow (and have the plane to do so), it will be by far the longest non-stop route, and would likely take 18.5 to 19.5hr on the return leg, not 16.5hr. Giving their current financial situation, if they really want to serve MIA, I just don't see they would do it non-stop.

[Klazu]

It's pretty incredible that so many airlines are already flying or considering to fly routes making a stopover in Vancouver. That's a true testament to YVR emerging as a global hub for not just one airline or alliance, but a bunch of them!

Having just flown back from Europe on KLM via AMS I have to admire how amazing a global hubs is. In Amsterdam there is no one or two clear slots when all flights to Asia or North America would be arrive and depart, but there are flights to all continents throughout the day. Looking at the list of departing flights is a mix of very cool destinations all over the world (they only miss Oceania).

It is also cool how many Delta wide-bodies one can see on AMS at any time, considering that it's Air France that is KLM's partner and Delta is just part of the same alliance. All in all AMS is a very nice airport and much better than FRA or LHR in my opinion.

And lastly on a completely different topic; why are so many airlines all of the sudden discovering MEX? Sure, it's a huge megacity, but how come it is suddenly justifying so many daily flights by several airlines? I am not aware of any sudden business or tourist boom in Mexico City, so is the surge just because the city may have previously been underserved?

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by nname

Well, I still don't see a direct non-stop MIA-HKG flight. MIA-PEK or MIA-NRT maybe

Valid points, I dont disagree with your statements however its being considered. China Airlines has already made the Taipei trip already. and the infrastructure is already in place. and i never said 16.5 hours to HK, i said Asia (taipei)

Earlier this month, Asia’s largest international airline by passengers, Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., announced it was considering a proposal from Airbus Group SE for a larger version of the newest A350 wide-body model that could potentially allow for a nonstop, direct flight between Miami and Hong Kong.

[YVR Bruce]

Originally Posted by Klazu

It's pretty incredible that so many airlines are already flying or considering to fly routes making a stopover in Vancouver. That's a true testament to YVR emerging as a global hub for not just one airline or alliance, but a bunch of them!

I believe some credit goes to the fed gov. Across the CDN political spectrum. They kept out those who would leach-down the market (1st SQ was told no to more than 3(?) x week, then the ME3) and instead allowed useful participants. Including CX to JFK etc, but also AC to TPE etc.

Re the growth in MEX traffic, hopefully someone with knowledge of available tools can explore whether there is a shift in MEX-origin traffic from the US toward Canada - even at the fringes. With all the recent Mexico bashing I would not be surprised if some discretionary traffic moves to YVR/YYC/YYZ/YUL. This as a separate effect from the new Visa exemption, but compounding it.