YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[zahav]

Originally Posted by excel

United back to EWR is great news Together with AC's 787, this route has pretty good service. What equipment will they be using? A320?

737-800.

The China Airlines announcement wasn't just about the equipment switch, but also that they are finally increasing to daily flights. This is excellent news, since now there will be daily TPE flights on AC and CI. And then BR at 5x weekly.

These increases keep adding up. A couple random tidbits. On peak days this summer, there will be 47 international non-stop flights! 47! That's pretty major, almost 50 international per day, 95% of which are on heavy aircraft.

On certain days, we will have 3+ flights to Beijing, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, London, Mexico City, Shanghai, Taipei, and Tokyo. Having that type of frequency on the big routes is great, and solidifies our position among major international airports.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by zahav

737-800.

The China Airlines announcement wasn't just about the equipment switch, but also that they are finally increasing to daily flights. This is excellent news, since now there will be daily TPE flights on AC and CI. And then BR at 5x weekly.

These increases keep adding up. A couple random tidbits. On peak days this summer, there will be 47 international non-stop flights! 47! That's pretty major, almost 50 international per day, 95% of which are on heavy aircraft.

On certain days, we will have 3+ flights to Beijing, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, London, Mexico City, Shanghai, Taipei, and Tokyo. Having that type of frequency on the big routes is great, and solidifies our position among major international airports.

China Airlines has always been daily in the summer though. So it's not really an increase in capacity. CI in fact adds additional frequencies during certain periods (like now) to have two flight per day. Overall YVR-TPE will be way up though as you mentioned AC joining in.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

^YYC link-type golf carts seem like a bad idea. Looking at comments here and on flyertalk:

- they quickly get swamped if a widebody alights
-if you add baggage and other airport staff using it, it greatly limits thru-put for passengers.
- there is a physical limit to the number of carts you can use on the dedicated track.
-walking is almost comparable wrt to speed if you are used to intl airports elsewhere if you are a not a senior or a family with young kids, especially if you have to wait for a cart.
-even YYC link seems to be a compromise added on at the last minute for WS's benefit due to the distance of their gates in domestic to intl.

YVR should stick with moving walkways (even a people mover train, but moving walkways can probably do the job at YVR). Both can be automated and have far greater capacity and reliability.

I'd love to see YVR install a couple of these:
• Video Link

Ingenious system.

I think with YYC it's just a matter of airport is growing up pains. The international terminal has made things really inconvenient "in comparison" to before, as the space simply is bigger. Does everyone remember when Vancouver built its international terminal?

1986:


That green grassy area on the right is where the international terminal is now. They built the international terminal between 1992–1996. That's only 20 years ago... and there was only 1 runway!

Oh... and this was when downtown looked like this:


Yeah, things change and the luggage transfer thing was botched a bit but hey... it's not a huge deal... although those electric buses seem like a silly half-measure. Either built a people mover or moving walkways... don't go half-way.

Typical Calgary though... they also built LRT through their downtown and now have plans to retrofit to put it underground.

[Vagabond]

Originally Posted by excel

United back to EWR is great news Together with AC's 787, this route has pretty good service. What equipment will they be using? A320?

And any indication of the schedule? I'm hoping for something earlier in the day (on the return from EWR) than AC's evening flight.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by zahav

On certain days, we will have 3+ flights to Beijing, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, London, Mexico City, Shanghai, Taipei, and Tokyo. Having that type of frequency on the big routes is great, and solidifies our position among major international airports.

.... among major international airports ...... such music to my ears!!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

And any indication of the schedule? I'm hoping for something earlier in the day (on the return from EWR) than AC's evening flight.

7:30am?

[excel]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

That green grassy area on the right is where the international terminal is now. They built the international terminal between 1992–1996. That's only 20 years ago... and there was only 1 runway!

2 Runways. There is 3 now

[trofirhen]

Looking at the Wikipedia site for YVR, which is always kept up to date, I noticed that Minneapolis is seasonal-only now, both on Delta mainline, and Delta Connection, which had it full-time.
I guess this is a route that just isn't lucrative enough. A shame, when the airport is growing so many other routes. Hope we get Minneapolis back full-time one day.

[SpongeG]

with prince no longer there who wants to go to minneapolis.

[Johnny Aussie]

Come on guys!

Before posting things like the above do a little research.

Try even a simple search on delta.com

So much public information available and you post such rubbish.

Go have a quick look at their schedule pages in winter and summer.... a very quick search will answer your own question as to why both mainline and delta connection are seasonal.

Wikipedia is the worst place to jump to any conclusions whether a route is lucrative or not.

[teriyaki]

Looks like Beijing Capital Airlines has touched down for the first time at YVR today. Wondering when I'll get the chance to take a ride for a review of them.

[mezzanine]

It looks like expansion plans for YVR will be revealed at a board of trade lunch on Jan 18...

https://www.boardoftrade.com/events/individual-events/837-60

Vancouver International Airport (YVR) is a key driver of economic growth, innovation and sustainability. As Canada's second busiest airport, YVR welcomed a record 20.3 million passengers in 2015 and is set to surpass 21 million in 2016.

But how will our airport continue its momentum in a rapidly changing and competitive landscape? Join Craig Richmond, YVR's President & CEO, to learn about YVR's future and what it means for you.

[Cage]

Its unlikely for the YVR master plan to be released through a Board of Trade event. Typically, these events are a recap of previously available information and events that have occured over the past year.

The better information happens during the Q&A period after formal speech. Previous events, Craig Richmond has let drop the biggest customer service challenges at the airport (hint its all on CATSA & CBSA).

One area that Craig Richmond should comment on is the recently released report on Canada's International Airports from Canadian Global Cities Council (CGCC). The CGCC is a collection of the eight largest Chambers of Commerce. Vancouver Board of Trade is a key member of the council. The report can be accessed here: http://globalcitiescouncil.ca/increasing...-through-canadas-international-airports/

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Come on guys!

Before posting things like the above do a little research.

Try even a simple search on delta.com

So much public information available and you post such rubbish.

Go have a quick look at their schedule pages in winter and summer.... a very quick search will answer your own question as to why both mainline and delta connection are seasonal.

Wikipedia is the worst place to jump to any conclusions whether a route is lucrative or not.

OK sorry, I goofed. It's year-round YVR to MSP; Delta mainline in summer, Delta connection in winter> Is that correct? Thanks

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Come on guys!

Before posting things like the above do a little research.

Try even a simple search on delta.com

So much public information available and you post such rubbish.

Go have a quick look at their schedule pages in winter and summer.... a very quick search will answer your own question as to why both mainline and delta connection are seasonal.

Wikipedia is the worst place to jump to any conclusions whether a route is lucrative or not.

Actually speaking of DELTA and MSP...

Next summer both daily flights have been upgauged to a 739 and a third flight (738) is being added on Saturdays.

So DL will be operating 17 flights on Saturdays next summer.

Delta continues to grow its YVR operations next summer.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually speaking of DELTA and MSP...

Next summer both daily flights have been upgauged to a 739 and a third flight (738) is being added on Saturdays.

So DL will be operating 17 flights on Saturdays next summer.

Delta continues to grow its YVR operations next summer.

Vancouver continues to be a Star Alliance dominated airport because of Air Canada, of course. But we have a lot of Skyteam airlines, too, and if Westjet ultimately joins Skyteam ... wow.

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

if Westjet ultimately joins Skyteam ... wow.

I actually think that might redirect some of the SkyTeam traffic to YYC instead, since WS have a much bigger domestic and transboarder network in YYC than YVR. I think WS's network at YYC is even bigger than AC's network at YVR right now even after AC's recent expansion...

YYC actually serves twice as many destinations to rest of Canada compared to YVR outside of the two provinces. I always wondered about the low domestic connectivity for YVR... in fact, YVR now serves more year-round destinations in China than Canadian cities outside of BC... YYC also serves 3 times as many destinations in BC than YVR's service to AB... I was wonder if there really more demand for people in Nanaimo and Comox to go to YYC than people from, say Red Deer and Lethbridge to come to YVR...

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

I actually think that might redirect some of the SkyTeam traffic to YYC instead, since WS have a much bigger domestic and transboarder network in YYC than YVR. I think WS's network at YYC is even bigger than AC's network at YVR right now even after AC's recent expansion...

YYC actually serves twice as many destinations to rest of Canada compared to YVR outside of the two provinces. I always wondered about the low domestic connectivity for YVR... in fact, YVR now serves more year-round destinations in China than Canadian cities outside of BC... YYC also serves 3 times as many destinations in BC than YVR's service to AB... I was wonder if there really more demand for people in Nanaimo and Comox to go to YYC than people from, say Red Deer and Lethbridge to come to YVR...

Perhaps this is due to the fact that YYC, despite being a western Canadian city, is nonetheless more 'centrally' located. YVR is more or less at the end-of-the-road domestically.
You mentioned that, if WS joined Skyteam, this might redirect more Skyteam traffic to YYC. Could be, but would that include major overseas airlines; AF, MU, CZ, and the like?
YYC may have (or more precisely WS) more of a lock on domestic traffic, but for many USA destinations, and certainly overseas, YVR handles a lot more than YYC, due to being larger.
Would Westjet going Skyteam change that? Vancouver is definitely the larger hub for overseas traffic, and for many US destinations as well. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Gordon]

West Jet needs to expand its regional \ Commuter traffic thru YVRthet certainly have enough terminal capacity now with 6 A gates for their use.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

West Jet needs to expand its regional \ Commuter traffic thru YVRthet certainly have enough terminal capacity now with 6 A gates for their use.

Yeah. I imagine something like a 'Toronto Shuttle' with a jet every 45 minutes or so. That would be a Great White Shark biting the guts out of Air Canada YVR-YYZ service.
Then, AC would be obliged to ante up its overseas / USA offerings out of Vancouver. ... just a dream of course.