YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Aroundtheworld]

There could be a lot more traffic coming YVR's way soon. Apparently Calgary Airport's botched new airport terminal is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 off a lot of airlines, most notably WestJet. I think we'll see a lot of airlines that were using Calgary as their hub in Western Canada shift it to YVR.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

There could be a lot more traffic coming YVR's way soon. Apparently Calgary Airport's botched new airport terminal is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 off a lot of airlines, most notably WestJet. I think we'll see a lot of airlines that were using Calgary as their hub in Western Canada shift it to YVR.

There are a number of passenger complaints about call to gate, lack of seating and water fountains.

The said, the complain WestJet has is the walk from where their domestic gates are located to the US and international gates. YVR is just as bad if not worse.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

There could be a lot more traffic coming YVR's way soon. Apparently Calgary Airport's botched new airport terminal is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 off a lot of airlines, most notably WestJet. I think we'll see a lot of airlines that were using Calgary as their hub in Western Canada shift it to YVR.

No such thing will happen. All of these issues will be forgotten in a few months.

[jollyburger]

They just need to order another 50 of these things.



Credit: YYC

[teriyaki]

YYC will sort through their problems. It will have no material affect on passenger numbers at yvr. People fly, for the destination itself and just because an airport has some quibbles will not deter passengers from forgoing their trip because the city and surrounding area is the destination. Not the airport.

Just a quick look at places like Newark will tell you that regardless of how bad an airport it, if the city has the draw people will still go.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

There could be a lot more traffic coming YVR's way soon. Apparently Calgary Airport's botched new airport terminal is 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 off a lot of airlines, most notably WestJet. I think we'll see a lot of airlines that were using Calgary as their hub in Western Canada shift it to YVR.

Originally Posted by casper

There are a number of passenger complaints about call to gate, lack of seating and water fountains.

The said, the complain WestJet has is the walk from where their domestic gates are located to the US and international gates. YVR is just as bad if not worse.

Calgary's International terminal botched in what way? Casper, hi. I thought (incorrectly, quite obviously) that there was or will be a moving ramp from the Pier A/B end of YVR to the other areas. Obviously not.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

YYC will sort through their problems. It will have no material affect on passenger numbers at yvr. People fly, for the destination itself and just because an airport has some quibbles will not deter passengers from forgoing their trip because the city and surrounding area is the destination. Not the airport.

Just a quick look at places like Newark will tell you that regardless of how bad an airport it, if the city has the draw people will still go.

You're ignoring the fact that Westjet uses YYC as a hub and a lot of flights connect there that don't have to connect there. Those could easily happen at YVR or YEG. You should never piss off one of your best customers and YYC has done just that. I think there will be consequences.

Also, that shuttle system is a joke. Many of the airlines were apparently requesting a people mover be built. Perhaps more importantly, the baggage systems between the terminals won't be linked until 2019. This is more than just growing pains. It's poor planning, design and management.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Calgary's International terminal botched in what way? Casper, hi. I thought (incorrectly, quite obviously) that there was or will be a moving ramp from the Pier A/B end of YVR to the other areas. Obviously not.

for the reasons said, lack of seating, call to gate etc. go follow the calgary airport thread, there are pictures of people standing all over the place or sitting on the floor cause there is nowhere to sit

they basically have not put seating at the gates - imagine 80 people waiting to board their flight and only providing seats for 20.

'It just doesn't work for us': WestJet on new YYC international terminal
Airline says it was forced to hire 225 employees to service new terminal because it’s so far away
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/westjet-yyc-terminal-complaints-1.3908218

[jmt18325]

They didn't put seating at the gate by design. People will get used to it.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

They didn't put seating at the gate by design. People will get used to it.

Really? That's a weird design choice. People are usually exhausted by the time they get to the gate. Is there a rationale?

There were lots of design choices made at Mirabel, as well... poor choices.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Really? That's a weird design choice. People are usually exhausted by the time they get to the gate. Is there a rationale?

With Call To Gate, you go to gate when it's time to board - that's the way it's supposed to work.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

They didn't put seating at the gate by design. People will get used to it.

Here's the issue: in other airports with ctg (e.g. London Gatwick comes to mind), they still have plentiful seating at the gate. You don't take away seating options at the gate to force people to stay in the central areas. It's trying to force different behaviors on travelers that is really unnecessary.

And those tourists visiting YYC for the first time? You think they'll "get used" to ctg on their one and only time through the airport?

I rather think YYC will be putting in more seats at the gate sooner than later.

[Klazu]

At LHR Terminal 5 I hate the call to gate, although it's only a short ride away from the main terminal.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Here's the issue: in other airports with ctg (e.g. London Gatwick comes to mind), they still have plentiful seating at the gate.

That seems completely counter productive, doesn't it? I know where to sit, and when I go, I'll sit there. Big deal.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

With Call To Gate, you go to gate when it's time to board - that's the way it's supposed to work.

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Here's the issue: in other airports with ctg (e.g. London Gatwick comes to mind), they still have plentiful seating at the gate. You don't take away seating options at the gate to force people to stay in the central areas. It's trying to force different behaviors on travelers that is really unnecessary.

And those tourists visiting YYC for the first time? You think they'll "get used" to ctg on their one and only time through the airport?

I rather think YYC will be putting in more seats at the gate sooner than later.

Originally Posted by Klazu

At LHR Terminal 5 I hate the call to gate, although it's only a short ride away from the main terminal.

I had thought that 'ctg' was rather a thing of the past, when flights were announced.
It has always seemed to me that people sit and watch the overhead monitors. Or am I wrong?

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Calgary's International terminal botched in what way? Casper, hi. I thought (incorrectly, quite obviously) that there was or will be a moving ramp from the Pier A/B end of YVR to the other areas. Obviously not.

There is one between A/B and C gates. That helps a little bit with the long walk form A/B to get closer to international.

First week of January I am flying WestJet Encore from Victoria to Vancouver then connecting onto a US flight. That is the type of connection that use to be easier in Calgary than Vancouver. Now it is reversed.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

That seems completely counter productive, doesn't it? I know where to sit, and when I go, I'll sit there. Big deal.

Good for you. It's strange then, that every major international airport I've been to that uses ctg, including ZRH, LGW and LHR has plenty of seats in the gate area. I guess YYC has it right and these others have it wrong, then

[jmt18325]

What's the point of ctg if you're just going to give people a place to sit at the gate?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

What's the point of ctg if you're just going to give people a place to sit at the gate?

Because, perhaps, there are other passengers NOT at the gate, who require the ctg. For the people already at the gate, sitting down for a while can ease muscle cramps and fatigue.

[twoNeurons]

What are the advantages of call to gate?

Off the top of my head, I think it means that you could be anywhere in the terminal and you'd need less space dedicated to seats. While seats at every gate seems preferable, people will tend to wait at their gate instead of spending time ( and money ) shopping in the central areas.

Seats at every gate means that in between flights, some gates have lots of empty seats, and some gates are jam packed.

I'm assuming that's the reason Calgary went with this system.

The caveat is that some older ones and parents with kids prefer to be as close to the gate as possible and if the terminal is too large, you could end up being a long way from your plane.

In other news... I thought it was funny that one article mentioned: "There's a Starbucks inside the terminal, but not a Tim Horton's!" In YVR, it would decidedly be the opposite reaction.