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[Soi-Fon]

Any ideas about what the fares could look like ?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Making the Trillium Line with a transfer at Bayview the main north-south transit line including servicing all of Gatineau will make for a ludicrously unbalanced transit system.

Not what I'm proposing.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Local municipalities pre-amalgamation had very limited responsibilities (parks, fire, local roads, libraries). Big ticket items (transit, police, major roads). Were the responsibility of RMOC. I don't know about BC, but I assume from your article it had a different system.

The Lower Mainland had, and has, a very different setup than the former two-tier Ontario municipalities, including the RMOC/Ottawa and Metro/Toronto.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

I wonder if a good route would be Billings to downtown, then turn east and run as far as at least at st Laurent under rideau. The west core is served by the confederation line, but the trillium line is too far west to serve the Glebe and the north south transitway is too far east. Vanier is the same scenario, the confederation line is too far south. I can't think of other parts of Ottawa dense enough to support more than what they are already planning (if you include the baseline brt)

The residential/mixed-use core neighbourhoods are really getting the crappy end of the transit stick, with absolutely no mass transit solution in the pipeline for the rest of the century, and constant downgrading of local bus service, most of it deliberately, the rest of it as a consequence of transportation policies which, despite all the pretty words in the official plan, still grossly favours private, single-occupant automobiles over all other modes.

It's not surprising that the suburban councillors are sticking it to the core. What is somewhat surprising is how the central councillors are playing along.

Chumps.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Transit was the jurisdiction of the regional government, from a jurisdictional point of view it could have built an LRT just as easily as it could build an BRT.

That's a fair point about transit being the purview of the regional government. I moved into town right as the amalgamation was being finalized.

I'm admittedly no expert on that era in Ottawa's governance but I do still disagree that it would have been just as easily built in 1981.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

What route through downtown would make sense for a North/South route?

Obviously an engineering analysis would need to be performed, but at a minimum it should run from Billings Bridge through/by Landsdown park to downtown. One of the routes I like (at least north of the Queensway) is along Kent St. as there is an islet in line with it on the Ottawa River, so the train could come out of the cliff onto a bridge that uses the islet to leap frog across the river to Hull. This would provide a direct downtown to downtown connection. The disadvantage of this alignment is it is half way between the Lyon and Parliament stations, so direct connections would require additional tunnelling for pedestrian walkways.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

The Lower Mainland had, and has, a very different setup than the former two-tier Ontario municipalities, including the RMOC/Ottawa and Metro/Toronto.

Agreed. Which is why it isn't valid to compare the political issues they have/had with those here.

[J.OT13]

We shouldn't even talking about Gatineau at this point. They've made their bed with the "Rapi"bus, now they'll lie in it. That embarrassment of a transit line won't be converted for another 20 years. That thing serves the majority of the population.

Now there's the question of what happens with the Aylmer line. Will it be BRT, or LRT. Though I would support "classic" LRT (Calgary), my money's another poorly planned BRT line.

In any case, the only option on the table would be build either BRT or LRT, across PoW to Bayview. That is the best we can hope for.

As for the Confederation Line, with all its flaws, at least the suburbs will now be fully served within 10-15 years. In 50 years or so, city planners might actually start looking at building a proper subway system serving the central core.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

We shouldn't even talking about Gatineau at this point. They've made their bed with the "Rapi"bus, now they'll lie in it. That embarrassment of a transit line won't be converted for another 20 years. That thing serves the majority of the population.

Fun fact! You can extend the O-train to Hull without changing one inch of the RapiBus system.

As for the Confederation Line, with all its flaws, at least the suburbs will now be fully served within 10-15 years. In 50 years or so, city planners might actually start looking at building a proper subway system serving the central core.

They won't. Ottawa will still be building out or paying off the suburban lines 50 years from now. Mass transit in the core will not happen until the next century, long after everyone posting here today is dead, dead, dead.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Fun fact! You can extend the O-train to Hull without changing one inch of the RapiBus system.

That will be at least 3 transfers for most Gatineau commuters (local to Rapibus, Rapibus to Trillium, Trillium to Confederation). You'll get pretty damn close to 0 ridership.

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

They won't. Ottawa will still be building out or paying off the suburban lines 50 years from now. Mass transit in the core will not happen until the next century, long after everyone posting here today is dead, dead, dead.

12 years ago, we thought they would never build a tunnel downtown, they would never build anything taller than Place de Ville, that a Downtown Arena would never even be considered...

A lot can change in 12 years, let alone 50. Just think positive thoughts.

[lrt's friend]

Sorry, but many of us will be dead by the time we actually have a useful LRT system with decent coverage.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That will be at least 3 transfers for most Gatineau commuters (local to Rapibus, Rapibus to Trillium, Trillium to Confederation). You'll get pretty damn close to 0 ridership.

Why do you assume all those forced transfers?

12 years ago, we thought they would never build a tunnel downtown, they would never build anything taller than Place de Ville, that a Downtown Arena would never even be considered...

A lot can change in 12 years, let alone 50. Just think positive thoughts.

Yes, a lot can change. But the city's finances are baked in, or are in the process of being baked in: without some massive infusion of external cash, even larger than what's already happened or is on the books, there will be absolutely no capacity to bring mass transit to the urbs this century. It is all going to the suburbs. No resources are being spared to do anything else.

If you live in the Glebe or Centretown or Vanier or Old Ottawa South, or umpteen other older built-up areas of Ottawa, your only option, in this lifetime, to gain access to transit other than crappy bus transit, will be to move to the suburbs, and the outside-the-Brownbelt ones at that.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Why do you assume all those forced transfers?

Yes, a lot can change. But the city's finances are baked in, or are in the process of being baked in: without some massive infusion of external cash, even larger than what's already happened or is on the books, there will be absolutely no capacity to bring mass transit to the urbs this century. It is all going to the suburbs. No resources are being spared to do anything else.

If you live in the Glebe or Centretown or Vanier or Old Ottawa South, or umpteen other older built-up areas of Ottawa, your only option, in this lifetime, to gain access to transit other than crappy bus transit, will be to move to the suburbs, and the outside-the-Brownbelt ones at that.

Wow, you seem to do nothing but whine, b----, and complain.

How close do you expect rail transit to be to you?

Look at Toronto, Vancouver, and even Montreal. They are larger cities, and they do not even have much rapid transit downtown.

The current government is spending like mad on various things, including higher level of transit.

[rocketphish]

I'm afraid that this discussion is getting off topic, and much of it belongs over here:

The future of Ottawa's Transit

[rocketphish]

Rideau Street to reopen Thursday for taxis, buses

Megan Gillis, Postmedia
Published on: December 13, 2016 | Last Updated: December 13, 2016 5:40 PM EST

Consider it an early Christmas present to commuters.

Mayor Jim Watson tweeted Tuesday that Rideau Street will reopen to buses and taxis Thursday at 5 a.m. – “just in time for the holidays.”

The closure of a short but key section of Rideau Street between Sussex Drive and Dalhousie Street has led to a string of bus detours for OC Transpo and STO in the core and Byward Market. A total of 18 bus routes have been affected.

In October, construction of Ottawa’s light-rail transit system forced the city to shut down the stretch of Rideau in the same area where a giant sinkhole wallowed three lanes of asphalt and a parked van in June. There was a second, smaller sinkhole in the same area in October.

Rideau has been closed to a vehicles between Sussex and Dalhousie as the builder pushed to finish excavating the 2.5-kilometre underground tunnel delayed by the June 8 sinkhole.

There was no word on private vehicle traffic.

Meanwhile, traffic generally has improved markedly, although forecasters are warning bad weather may be in the offing with frigid temperatures, then more snow to usher us into a weekend of Christmas-clogged roads.

OC Transpo reported a modest number of cancelled trips Tuesday, and roads retained some slickness from Monday’s storm.

The westbound Highway 401 reopened Tuesday morning after a 4 a.m. crash west of Prescott after an eastbound van crossed the median and struck a westbound tractor-trailer.

The 43-year-old man driving the van was badly hurt. Prescott OPP officers continue to investigate.

Meanwhile, there was only one cancelled departure at the Ottawa Airport.

Watch out on the Tuesday commute home for an eastbound lane reduction on Highway 417 from Carling Avenue to Island Park Drive. It’s in place until 6 a.m. Wednesday.

After an overnight low of -10 C, Wednesday is expected to bring a mix of sun and cloud with winds out of the southwest at 30 km/h and a high of -7C. For Wednesday night, there’s a 60-per-cent chance of flurries and low of -13C.

That’s the forecast high for Thursday, too, and it will dip to -19 C overnight.

Friday is expected to be a mix of sun and cloud and a high of -13 C.

On deck for Saturday is a forecast of more snow and a high of -6 C.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...old-temps-snow-on-the-way-by-the-weekend

[rocketphish]

Construction Update
Week of December 12

Crews complete jet grouting activities on Rideau Street and the street reopens to bus traffic and taxis. Masonry begins this week at the Lyon Station east entrance and construction advances at the three eastern stations – St-Laurent, Cyrville and Blair – with glazing and porcelain panel installation.

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Work at Bayview Station, including grade beams

West Stations

Tunney’s Pasture Station: Crews install caissons and prepare to mobilize to drill rock anchors, part of station foundation construction.

Bayview Station: Crews begin to install grade beams and build foundation walls for the ancillary building. Underground mechanical and electrical work as well construction on the retaining wall also take place this week.

Pimisi Station: Work includes pouring the platform slab, waterproofing walls and installing duct banks.

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Waterproofing arch + work on columns - Parliament Station cavern

Central Stations

Lyon Station cavern: This week, the concourse slab formwork is stripped to allow for the next phase of activities to occur, including pouring the mud slab. Architectural works are ongoing at the station, including the installation of dowels for the stairs and the initial layout of the masonry block walls in the mechanical room. In the west transition, crews continue installing rebar the concourse wall and arch, in addition to working on conduits.

Lyon Station west entrance: The station continues to take shape with crews forming and pouring walls in phases. Construction of the east vent shaft also occurs and includes rock removals.

Lyon Station east entrance: Station construction advances; crews mobilize to begin masonry at the entrance, pour the ground floor beams and lower slabs and continue electrical work on the ground floor slab. The installation of the winter protection is completed at the HVAC shaft and reshoring begins, and rock removals are ongoing.

Parliament Station cavern: Activities include the installation of rebar and concrete pours for the footings, columns and sections of deck in the station, as well as arch waterproofing. In the running tunnel, concrete final lining mobilization, pouring of the pre-slab, and work on the invert and starter wall take place.

Parliament Station west entrance: Construction of the station’s head house advances and includes glazing and work on parapets. Masonry installation also begins this week. Shotcrete and rock bolt installation continue at the east vent shaft.

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uOttawa Station - rebar + forming foundation walls

Rideau Station cavern: Crews pour concrete for walls, install rebar for the station arch and continue waterproofing, which will be followed by final concrete lining in the next weeks.

Rideau Station west entrance: Shoring, excavation, the installation of reinforcements, including shotcrete, and work on the raft slab occur this week. Excavation is completed and the installation of whaler beams, occurs outside on Rideau Street, at the HVAC shaft.

Rideau Station east entrance: Station construction is progressing with formwork and rebar installation on the inside walls and deck. Crews also install falsework , part of work on the platform stairs.

Rideau Street has reopened for bus traffic and taxis only.

uOttawa Station: Crews continue working on the station foundation and walls through December.

East Portal: Whaler beam installation occurs and crews form and pour slabs to prepare the ramp for future guideway work.

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Foundation work - Lees Station

East Stations

Lees Station: This week, work includes micro-piling, construction of foundation walls and mobilization to begin building the auxiliary building.

Hurdman Station: The station continues to take shape with the installation of structural steel, glazing and masonry in sections. Ceiling work, roofing, and mechanical and electrical work are also ongoing. Construction of the bus operators’ building advances and includes work on the ceiling.

Tremblay Station: Construction progresses at the station with work on the parapets, steel installation for the elevators, roofing, mechanical rough-ins and final work on the platforms.

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Composite panel, glazing and work on auxiliary building - Cyrville Station

St-Laurent Station: Crews continue installing celling hangers and platform steel this week, in addition to ongoing work for the elevators and the plenum.

Cyrville Station: Progress is visible at the station with the installation of metal composite panels and glazing as well as painting and installing porcelain panels on the auxiliary building.

Blair Station: Activities at the station include framing, electrical work, the installation of composite panels and porcelain tiles. Crews install steel and complete roofing work at the bus operators’ building.

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Reinforcements - running tunnel west of Rideau Station

Tunnel Excavation and Support

Crews continue mining the last section of running tunnel west of Rideau Station and begin installing spiles, part of tunnel reinforcement activities.

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Drilling dowels for crossover tracks east of Tunney's Pasture Station

Guideway

Tunney’s Pasture Station to West Portal: Crews mobilize onsite to drill dowels for crossover tracks, remove the sidewalk and parapet walls just west and east of Bayview Bridge and continue electrical work along this section of guideway.

Mann Avenue Bridge: Crews continue working on the parapets, wing walls and deck.

Mann Avenue Bridge to Blair Station: Trackwork activities are ongoing and include tamping and the installation of concrete ties west of Tremblay Station. Electrical work for the traction power sub station east of Hurdman Station occurs. Vehicle testing takes place along the guideway between Cyrville and Blair stations.

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Upcoming Construction Activities

In the coming weeks, the following construction activities are scheduled to occur:

• Lyon Station west vent shaft work resumes.
• Last section of running tunnel mining, from east of Parliament Station to west of Rideau Station will be completed.
• Ongoing overnight work at the Rideau Station west and east entrances, and at the East Portal.
• Mann Avenue Bridge overnight deck and parapet work.
• Structural steel installation at uOttawa Station.
• Installation of the traction power sub station on the guideway west of Lees Station and east of Hurdman Station.
• Fencing installation on guideway just west of Tremblay Station.
• Overhead Catenary System energized in phases for ongoing vehicle testing from Belfast Yard and Blair Station.

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca/construction/construction-update-103/

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Wow, you seem to do nothing but whine, b----, and complain.

How close do you expect rail transit to be to you?

Look at Toronto, Vancouver, and even Montreal. They are larger cities, and they do not even have much rapid transit downtown.

The current government is spending like mad on various things, including higher level of transit.

Granted, Toronto is the poster child for suburban centric transit, but Vancouver's system is decent (two lines interlined downtown and a third serving the airport-downtown corridor), but as per the Evergreen Line, they seem to to be headed towards TO's — lines to suburbia model. There is a plan to serve the west of Vancouver proper, but will require a transfer to downtown.

Montreal on the other hand, is the gold standard in Canadian transit. Right off the bat, two lines were built downtown and one more will be built soon. They also plan to eventually extend the Yellow line to McGill.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/t...-proposed-for-central-montreal-1.3867367

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Wow, you seem to do nothing but whine, b----, and complain.

How close do you expect rail transit to be to you?

In a densely-built, mixed-used, old-urban neighbourhood? Closer than three or four kilometres, for starters.

Look at Toronto, Vancouver, and even Montreal. They are larger cities, and they do not even have much rapid transit downtown.

All three of those cities have way more rapid transit in their older urban portions than Ottawa does, or than Ottawa will at any time in the next century.

They have built urban transit systems. Ottawa is building essentially a suburban one, and then more suburban portions tacked onto it.

The current government is spending like mad on various things, including higher level of transit.

Yes, they are, but not in urban parts of the city, only in suburban ones, or to bring suburbanites to their jobs in the CBD and home again.

Ottawa is not building mass transit for its urban core, and has no plans to do so. The urban core has to make due with crappy and degrading bus service, with nothing on the books to improve that service, and several things already in the works to make crappy downtown local transit even worse.

[DubberDom]

In my opinion, Phase 3 of LRT should include a line running under Bank Street from Parliament to Billings Bridge and also another line going along Rideau to St-Laurent/Montfort + Otrain to Gatineau
That would really make LRT/O-Train network attractive to support transit within the Greenbelt (where it is most needed)

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by DubberDom

In my opinion, Phase 3 of LRT should include a line running under Bank Street from Parliament to Billings Bridge and also another line going along Rideau to St-Laurent/Montfort + Otrain to Gatineau
That would really make LRT/O-Train network attractive to support transit within the Greenbelt (where it is most needed)

A Bank Street subway should connect to the surface line to be built to the south end so that we can collect all the suburban passengers as well. This would leave the Trillium Line as the student train that it is today. No need to double track at that point.