LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0 - Page 189

cesar90 · #**3761** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 8:36 AM**

Wilcal · #**3762** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

Here is a super cruddy one I did a year ago. I'll probably update it in the coming days.

Not so cruddy, you put out a nice effort. If I could ask though that you put a number or letter discreetly in the right or left lower corner of each building and then identify each of the buildings with a legend. Thank you.

user2468 · #**3763** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 11:20 PM**

Visited Downtown on Monday and took a few photos.

755 S. Spring Street #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

755 S. Spring Street #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

820 S. Olive Street - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

801 S. Olive Street (Atelier) - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

888 S. Hope Street #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

888 S. Hope Street #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1050 S. Grand Avenue (Ten50) - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1100 S. Hill Street #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1100 S. Hill Street #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1201 S. Main Street #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1201 S. Main Street #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #3 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #4 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #5 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Wren #6 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1306 S. Hope Street (Onyx Phase 1) - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1120 S. Grand Avenue #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1120 S. Grand Avenue #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1200 S. Figueroa Street (Circa) #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1200 S. Figueroa Street (Circa) #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #1 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #2 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #3 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #4 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #5 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #6 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #7 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #8 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

1101 S. Flower Street (Oceanwide Plaza) #9 - 12/13/2016 by Juan Gomez, on Flickr

Steve8263 · #**3764** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 1:33 AM**

I'll believe it when I see it. Don't hold your breath but the Grand Ave project supposedly has financing and a start date-

http://therealdeal.com/la/2016/12/14/rel...d-avenue-project-names-chinese-investor/

The $950M project will officially break ground 2018

Related also announced Wednesday a joint venture partnership with Chinese real estate firm, CCCG Overseas Real Estate (CORE), a subsidiary of China Communications Construction Company

Known as Parcel Q, the two-tower project will break ground in 2018 and is slated for completion in 2022.

black_crow · #**3765** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 2:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by user2468

Visited Downtown on Monday and took a few photos.

Nice update.

@ Grand Ave project #TaxpayerAid #Groundbreaking2007

Do I have to say more?

JDRCRASH · #**3766** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 5:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

Here is a super cruddy one I did a year ago. I'll probably update it in the coming days.

Don't beat yourself up; I like it (especially how you used varying colors), but just the mere fact it's already way outdated (I count AT LEAST 5 new tower proposals missing) is simply amazing.

By 2020 the Downtown skyline will be completely unrecognizable. It's incredible.

StethJeff · #**3767** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 7:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

Here is a super cruddy one I did a year ago. I'll probably update it in the coming days.

That's now finally starting to resemble a robust and mature skyline. It's vain and some would argue meaningless (I wouldn't) but we shouldn't be at Atlanta, Philly, Seattle, and Houston's level.

blackcat23 · #**3768** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 4:51 PM**

Grand Avenue Project

colemonkee · #**3769** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 5:17 PM**

Hmmmm, looks like the taller tower may have been chopped down. From Grand Ave, I'm only counting 30 stories. Obviously that number goes up if you count from Olive, but that seems shorter than previous iterations.

Design-wise, it's different than anything we have in LA, but when you look at it more closely, it's not that different than the hundreds of wedding cake-style pre-war buildings in NY. So it's not that exciting, to be perfectly honest.

ChelseaFC · #**3770** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 5:30 PM**

It's a bit Gotham-y, and I like it. A visual talking piece as concert goers leave the hall.

WestCoastSupertall · #**3771** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 6:28 PM**

I think it's a fantastic anchor to the "Grand Av Arts" section of Bunker Hill. I could see it spurring development north, east and west of Disney.

Just-In-Cali · #**3772** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 7:17 PM**

Oh come now Colemonkee! I thought mimicking NY was what half this thread breathes for. LOL
I actually quite like it. Its massing and position really gives Grand Avenue a truly "grand" feeling. I like it better than the original proposal.

King Kill 'em · #**3773** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by StethJeff

That's now finally starting to resemble a robust and mature skyline. It's vain and some would argue meaningless (I wouldn't) but we shouldn't be at Atlanta, Philly, Seattle, and Houston's level.

We're the second largest city so we should have the second largest skyline. Though we would have to build a lot to top Chicago. I think our skyline is already much better than Atlanta and Seattle. Houston is debatable but I'm biased towards LA and theirs will probably grow at the same rate as ours over the next few decades. Philadelphia to me seems like an underappreciated east coast city with good urban structure that lost a lot of population due to suburbanization and hasn't grown back fast enough. Now Pheonix will unfortunately pass it in population to become the country's 5th largest city. If Philadelphia completes both their Hudson Yards type high rise developments west of their river, their skyline will be pretty on par with ours. It would be cool to see it grow in population as well instead of fast growing sprawling sun belt cities like Pheonix and Las Vegas. Those are the two cities I have no hope for.

colemonkee · #**3774** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 7:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Just-In-Cali

Oh come now Colemonkee! I thought mimicking NY was what half this thread breathes for. LOL
I actually quite like it. Its massing and position really gives Grand Avenue a truly "grand" feeling. I like it better than the original proposal.

I'm not saying it's bad, just not exciting. When you think of Gehry, you usually think of eccentric, over-the-top, flowing designs that somehow work as an overall composition. This one certainly works as an overall composition, and is much more restrained than his other work (which I actually appreciate). It's just not as exciting as his other work. It's not bad, or good, just an observation.

In terms of the "grandness" of this, that's all relative. Yes, it's grander than a parking lot, but not in the scale of downtown, or even the buildings two blocks to the south. When put into context looking down Grand Ave towards downtown, it won't feel that "grand", but rather a step into the larger skyline. Now, if they clad this in stone and metal, and added 20 stories to the taller tower, it would seem a lot more "grand" in the context of Bunker Hill, as opposed to the context of a parking garage. So in the scale aspect alone, I think this is a missed opportunity in the long term. In the short term, I'm absolutely thrilled to get this lot filled and activated, and the design is better than most towers we see in LA, at least in my opinion. But like another Related project - Time Warner Center - it'll be overshadowed by other developments nearby pretty quickly.

ChelseaFC · #**3775** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 7:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by King Kill 'em

We're the second largest city so we should have the second largest skyline.

LA is different from the standpoint that it is geographically dispersed and has multiple downtown nodes. In east coast cities the commercial districts are centralized. Thus, the downtown skyline in LA would appear much denser if Century City, Mid-Wilshire, K-Town, Glendale, Santa Ana, Long Beach, etc. were grouped together.

Mojeda101 · #**3776** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 8:39 PM**

The hotel has the windows going up to 21 floors. The taller portion I counted going up to 29 floors. The old design had them at 25 and 37 floors so yes it was downscaled significantly. For the amount of money they're spending it seems rather underwhelming. They're spending like what, $950 million? Metropolis and Oceanwide cost $1 billion. And Hazen for it's 32, 34, and 38 story towers only cost $750 million. At this point they should just give the project to the Chinese investor.

Doctorboffin · #**3777** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 9:14 PM**

While I do think the height leaves something to be desired, I think the design is far better then the old one. While that one had more height it also looked too cluttered at the bottom, but too simple in the towers. This here is very NYC, but with an LA twist. Deep down I hope they add height, but I think it will fit in well with the area and still be a strong talking point even with the shorter size.

Steve8263 · #**3778** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 9:18 PM**

Also, I think they are going to have a real hard time filling up 200,000 sq feet of commercial. The amount of new space in south park that is under construction- (Oceanwide, Metropolis) rehabbed- (Bloc, 7th Fig, etc) or recently opened- (Whole Foods) since this was proposed is nuts. This will make it hard to find bricks and mortar retailers willing to risk being up on the hill, especially now with internet shopping going mainstream and many companies folding like Sports Authority, American Apparel, Aeropostale, etc.

Quixote · #**3779** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 9:50 PM**

I'm actually okay with the massing if the alternative is two skinny (albeit taller) towers atop a large plaza or podium. I also like that skin doesn't resemble Gehry's Beekman, which means that it won't compete with the WDCH directly across the street.

That being said, my ultimate desire was to have the whole concept go back to the drawing board, starting with a new architect.

BigCityOfDreams · #**3780** Posted **Dec 15, 2016, 10:10 PM**

Wilshire Grand was supposed to be our new tallest, but appears much smaller than US Bank due to the elevation difference. The low hanging fruit for new construction Downtown (parking lots, single story buildings etc) is quickly decreasing. This parking structure on Grand is one of the few pieces of low hanging fruit with serious elevation under it. It seems like an ideal location for a Super Tall, that would capture the elevation below it, and actually over take the Library Tower's prominence in the skyline.