General Vancouver Updates - Page 290

Metro-One · #**5781** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 4:04 AM**

Would ventilation be needed? From the render looks more like an extended overpass than a tightly confined space underneath.

Either way at the very least it would be nice for that area to be cleaned up.

Anorak · #**5782** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 4:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

The Granville Cut cover is purely fiction. I don't see where the dozens of Millions would come from to pay for it without selling off that very land depicted by park. It would be great just not optimistic in seeing it happen. Heck just the ventilation costs would be huge, anyone see the ventilation put in on waterfront road and they are only dealing with tour buses not trains.

It wouldn't be a tunnel per se, it looks more like it would be a flat supported platform over a portion of the cut, so I dont think it would need much ventilation, if any as the natural airflow would adequately dissipate exhaust from the trains. Additionally, I could see CoV paying for the plaza, they have been investing a lot recently in public spaces (Art Gallery North Plaza, new Park on Smithe and Richards, etc.), and as this is a fairly central area in terms of the regional transit network I could see a pretty strong case for it being built.

Edit: As hinted at by logan5, the plaza could be built using the CAC from the Safeway development

logan5 · #**5783** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 4:37 AM**

You don't necessarily have to build on top of it. Maybe somebody's looking for a density bonus out of the deal. These architects and developers seem to be one in the same.

It hardly seems like something out of the realm. Plus it's a great idea.

logan5 · #**5784** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 4:49 AM**

-ps

The Bing Thom office is involved in the Safeway redevelopment.

quobobo · #**5785** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 5:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

The Westbank proposal for next to Joyce station is going to council tomorrow. Now is your chance to email mayor and council to support the project and voice your opinion about seeing similar density at 29th and Nanaimo stations.

mailto:[email protected]

Commented, thanks. There are a few other worthwhile things up for hearing too:

15-unit townhome development near Oakridge
Proposal for temporary social housing on a few sites

The entire hearing agenda is here, and Abundant Housing Vancouver has a guide to commenting on rezonings.

mcminsen · #**5786** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 5:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by mcminsen

"Fifth" at 5th and Yukon.

Oct.14 '16, my pics

A couple of months later...

Dec.12 '16, my pics

Anorak · #**5787** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 6:25 AM**

I think this is a good example of high quality infill office, even with the sea foam spandrel. I dont get it though, why always the seafoam? In the renderings it had a white spandrel, why change it? It always seems like it's snuck in afterwards, almost like someone really does have an agenda to get it put on every building in Vancouver.

mcminsen · #**5788** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 7:59 AM**

Anyone know what's going on here at Alberta Street between 4th and 5th?

Dec.11 '16, my pics

retro_orange · #**5789** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 8:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by mcminsen

Anyone know what's going on here at Alberta Street between 4th and 5th?

Dec.11 '16, my pics

I believe someone said either a low rise condo, apartment or office building, I can't remember now.
From a CBC article:

"The West 4th Avenue and Alberta Street site formerly housed an industrial chromium plating business and is currently undergoing soil and environmental remediation. "
article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...at-vancouver-construction-site-1.3124489

mcminsen · #**5790** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 8:53 AM**

Thanks. Oy... messy site.

jollyburger · #**5791** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcminsen

Thanks. Oy... messy site.

Same as every new building in the area. They're also doing 22 East 5th Avenue, renovated that West 7th Avenue with the yellow arches over the doors.

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This property was home to the Hudson Plating metal works. The existing building will be demolished, the property remediated, and replaced with a new building of 23,000 sf of light industrial/commercial space at grade and three levels of employment generating space in 15,000 sf floor plates. There will be 97 underground parking stalls in addition to generous end of trip facilities and bike parking. Views to downtown and the North Shore mountains are extraordinary. The property is a short 3-block walk to the Cambie Street Canada Line Station.

http://pcurban.ca/projects/current-projects/275-w-fifth-ave/

LeftCoaster · #**5792** Posted **Dec 13, 2016, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Anorak

I think this is a good example of high quality infill office, even with the sea foam spandrel. I dont get it though, why always the seafoam? In the renderings it had a white spandrel, why change it? It always seems like it's snuck in afterwards, almost like someone really does have an agenda to get it put on every building in Vancouver.

The spandrel is white. The green tinge comes from the iron content of the glass.

logan5 · #**5793** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 1:04 AM**

Wouldn't there be something behind the spandrel that affects the colour, like insulation or some other material?

SFUVancouver · #**5794** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 1:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

The spandrel is white. The green tinge comes from the iron content of the glass.

Thank you. This is the answer.

Inexpensive glass has a high iron content and a green colour. This is why virtually all buildings appear to have the same greenish-tinged glass and why, when you put white spandrel panels behind the glazing, it appears seafoam-ish green. This is also was why it was such a big expensive deal to make the glass in the convention centre truly clear; they needed to source giant panes of ultra-low iron glass.

logan5 · #**5795** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Thank you. This is the answer.

Inexpensive glass has a high iron content and a green colour. This is why virtually all buildings appear to have the same greenish-tinged glass and why, when you put white spandrel panels behind the glazing, it appears seafoam-ish green. This is also was why it was such a big expensive deal to make the glass in the convention centre truly clear; they needed to source giant panes of ultra-low iron glass.

Say what? I thought the spandrel was opaque glass. A white sheet of glass. You seem to be describing a 2 step system.

SFUVancouver · #**5796** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 1:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Say what? I thought the spandrel was opaque glass. A white sheet of glass. You seem to be describing a 2 step system.

To the best of my knowledge, it is a two-step system. The spandrel glazing units are built in the glass factory from conventional glass with a coloured backing permanently laminated to it. This can be used to hide slab edges, internal walls, columns, or insulated wall sections. Or, you know, just for architectural expression.

The spandrel glass pieces are assembled with the regular vision glass into window wall sections that are then shipped by truck to the construction site, lifted into place, and rested on the slab edge, secured in place, and then sealed up. Alternatively, they can be assembled into curtain wall sections, shipped, etc., and hung from the slab edge, secured, and sealed.

Actual opaque glass is "fritted", usually by some sort of acid etch, but also by abrasion, like from sand-blasting. I think that sometimes the frit material is added, but I don't know about that process at all or how it is bonded to the glass.

Now, some spandrel panels do not use glass at all, but rather are a coloured aluminum panels.

retro_orange · #**5797** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 1:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

Say what? I thought the spandrel was opaque glass. A white sheet of glass. You seem to be describing a 2 step system.

Its a regular piece of window glass that's either painted or has a coloured film on the inside face, so when you see white paint on regular iron content glass you get seafoam. The cheapest and most basic combo.

osirisboy · #**5798** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 3:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by retro_orange

Its a regular piece of window glass that's either painted or has a coloured film on the inside face, so when you see white paint on regular iron content glass you get seafoam. The cheapest and most basic combo.

How is white paint the cheapest option? Is black paint really more expenisve?

And the whole thing is a little odd/funny. Whenever I see construction updates of other cities outside of lower mainland I don't see the prevalence of this type of spandrel that I see here.

Changing City · #**5799** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 3:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Thank you. This is the answer.

Inexpensive glass has a high iron content and a green colour. This is why virtually all buildings appear to have the same greenish-tinged glass and why, when you put white spandrel panels behind the glazing, it appears seafoam-ish green. This is also was why it was such a big expensive deal to make the glass in the convention centre truly clear; they needed to source giant panes of ultra-low iron glass.

As developers (and tenants) have adopted better energy efficiency practices, glazing has become thicker, and almost always double glazed (or even triple glazed). The 'seafoam' colour generated by the iron content has tended to be more obvious. Some developers and/or architects use grey rather than white, which can look less green - but the 'clear' glazing still has a natural tint.

BobLoblawsLawBlog · #**5800** Posted **Dec 14, 2016, 3:50 AM**

[QUOTE=mcminsen;7649741]A couple of months later...

Dec.12 '16, my pics

/QUOTE]

"Should we go with Spandrel or fake Bricks?"
"Yes"