SAN FRANCISCO | Oceanwide Center | 910 + 636 FT | 61 + 54 FLOORS

[Pedestrian]

It's done--ground officially broken: http://sf.curbed.com/2016/12/8/13890490/...aking-foster-partners-heller-manus-china

Seems like we have a friend from China:

Luo Linquan, the Chinese Consul General to San Francisco, repeated the mayor’s refrain, calling the imminent high-rises “a good model for the city’s prosperity and relationship with China.”

He added that his initial disappointment that Oceanwide wasn’t allowed to eclipse Salesforce Tower in height was mitigated upon reflecting that the world’s second-largest economy was enabling the city’s second-tallest building.

For gosh sakes, SLAP A SPIRE ON IT and make us and the Chinese happy, and Angelenos everywhere disturbed.

[Pedestrian]

More with video: Second-tallest tower in S.F. breaks ground (Video)

[mt_climber13]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

For gosh sakes, SLAP A SPIRE ON IT and make us and the Chinese happy, and Angelenos everywhere disturbed.

That sure sounds like the attitude of someone that could care less about height contests

Great news, so can this be moved to U/C now?

[summersm343]

Welcome to the 900-footer club San Francisco

Although I don't like the party walls in the back, the overall tower is gorgeous.

[fimiak]

Originally Posted by 1977

Also, a new rendering of the base of the hotel portion - Waldorf Astoria



and another view of how it looks within skyline:


http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/place...ne-the-skyline-and-the-city-10778750.php

Almost too nice for Mission St...this needed a repost for a new page.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by wakamesalad

That sure sounds like the attitude of someone that could care less about height contests

It's endless and boring debates on the subject I dislike. A definitive win would end them.

[edwards]

Was at the ceremony - one of the speakers mentioned piles extending 400 ft into bedrock.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by fimiak

Almost too nice for Mission St...this needed a repost for a new page.

Mission St. is not the Mission St. of 10 years ago. For one thing, my Chinese lunch place is long gone. But it is now the home of the St. Regis Hotel, several premier highrise residential buildings (near 3rd St, existing and under construction and, yeah, Millenium Tower), Salesforce Tower (and the company's other 2 buildings on the same corner, 350, 530 and 550 Mission plus what some consider one of SF's nicest (if nowhere near tallest) office buildings, the local JP Morgan-Chase HQ.

Frankly, Mission is probably now THE best business address in SF--maybe better than Montgomery St. which is so "used-to-be". When was the last first class new building built on Montgomery?

[edwards]

^ Mission's the 5th most expensive street in the US: http://www.us.jll.com/united-states/en-u...pensive-streets-across-the-united-states

[pseudolus]

Originally Posted by 1977

Also, a new rendering of the base of the hotel portion - Waldorf Astoria

They left out the phalanx of armed guards chasing off the homeless.

[mt_climber13]

Originally Posted by edwards

^ Mission's the 5th most expensive street in the US: http://www.us.jll.com/united-states/en-u...pensive-streets-across-the-united-states

New York is so 20th century

I would have thought the Waldorf Astoria occupy the sophisticated Foster tower rather than the bland Heller Manus box.

[Pedestrian]

^^I agree with your opinion of the Heller Manus tower but it has gotten a fair amount of praise from others, mainly for the projecting box windows.

Personally, I think Heller Manus just got all coked up and drained their creativity into 181 Fremont. They may not have anything left (and who would have thought they had anything before we saw that one?)

[ozone]

Glad to see this going up. I was in Shanghai last week and was reading an article about how the Chinese government is now trying to rein in Chinese foreign investment. How effective they will be is another matter and I assume they are too far along in the process to put the kibosh on this project but the sooner construction gets underway the better.

@pseudolus - this is not being built at 6th and Mission.

[mt_climber13]

Originally Posted by edwards

Was at the ceremony - one of the speakers mentioned piles extending 400 ft into bedrock.

Wow.. weren't SF tower's piles only 200-300' deep? And the deepest piles ever in the country?

Based on SF across the street I'm guessing this will be 2 years of excavation, pile driving before this thing reaches ground level. But then again didn't they run into some issues and set them back a few months? Also, this is not next to the terminal so maybe excavation won't have to be such a delicate process.

And based on this model above


The Heller Manus tower looks much taller than 636' (50 Fremont in front of it is 600') so perhaps it will be closer to 700'+? Or they just made it taller in the model so it would stand out more. Or it could just be the perspective of the tilt.

Congrats on another in-f***ing-credible tower SF

[Justbuildit]

Will this tower have a cement core like Salesforce or is it like 181 Fremont?

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by wakamesalad

Wow.. weren't SF tower's piles only 200-300' deep? And the deepest piles ever in the country?

Yes

Based on SF across the street I'm guessing this will be 2 years of excavation, pile driving before this thing reaches ground level. But then again didn't they run into some issues and set them back a few months? Also, this is not next to the terminal so maybe excavation won't have to be such a delicate process.

Yes. I actually spoke to one of the workmen back then who told they messed something up which was causing delay because it had to be redone but I'm not sure of the details. One quibble: Piles like these aren't driven, they are poured in place.

Drilled piles

Also called caissons, drilled shafts, drilled piers, Cast-in-drilled-hole piles (CIDH piles) or Cast-in-Situ piles, a borehole is drilled into the ground, then concrete (and often some sort of reinforcing) is placed into the borehole to form the pile. Rotary boring techniques allow larger diameter piles than any other piling method and permit pile construction through particularly dense or hard strata. Construction methods depend on the geology of the site; in particular, whether boring is to be undertaken in 'dry' ground conditions or through water-saturated strata - i.e. 'wet boring'. Casing is often used when the sides of the borehole are likely to slough off before concrete is poured.

For end-bearing piles, drilling continues until the borehole has extended a sufficient depth (socketing) into a sufficiently strong layer. Depending on site geology, this can be a rock layer, or hardpan, or other dense, strong layers. Both the diameter of the pile and the depth of the pile are highly specific to the ground conditions, loading conditions, and nature of the project. Pile depths may vary substantially across a project if the bearing layer is not level.

Drilled piles can be tested using a variety of methods to verify the pile integrity during installation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_foundation

[tech12]

Originally Posted by wakamesalad

The Heller Manus tower looks much taller than 636'

lol don't get too excited, it's just the perspective...

Originally Posted by wakamesalad

Or it could just be the perspective of the tilt.

looks like you already answered your own question though.

[Mr Saturn64]

Wow. San Fran's comin' up. This is one fine building as well. Not as good as 181 Fremont, but quite formidable in its own right.

It seems like the majority of the cities in this country are getting new tallest buildings, so I went to the diagrams to look. San Francisco and Philadelphia are definitely joining the 1000-footer club, and Dallas, Seattle, and Miami have their first 1000-footers proposed. Tampa also apparently has a 900 footer proposed (first I've heard of it) Seems like a really good time for us skyscraper enthusiasts.

[SFView]

^^^Yes, and also don't forget Los Angeles.

Anyway...

Originally Posted by Justbuildit

Will this tower have a cement core like Salesforce or is it like 181 Fremont?

Go back to page 21 of this thread. You will see that there will be two separate cores at the outside west face of the 910 foot tower.

[edwards]

Wow.. weren't SF tower's piles only 200-300' deep? And the deepest piles ever in the country?

Oceanwide's will be 'the deepest on the West Coast of North America.'