YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Hot Rod]

when it comes to YVR, if you say 'groundbreaking' I tend to think of markets not currently served by Vancouver as non-stop or direct one stop/connection

Sooo,

to me, this only means a flight or two to South America or Africa (both of which are not at all served and truly would be groundbreaking). Maybe add Russia to that possibility but I suspect there is little demand.

[Johnny Aussie]

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1086

AC also launching PHX year round as well.

Daily flights effective 1 May 2017 on, you guessed it, Jazz CR9s.

Although not a new route for AC (served by rouge seasonally) launching this route year round adds yet another destination to the AC transborder summer roster.

YVR - DEN also mentioned in the above press release.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1086

AC also launching PHX year round as well.

Daily flights effective 1 May 2017 on, you guessed it, Jazz CR9s.

Although not a new route for AC (served by rouge seasonally) launching this route year round adds yet another destination to the AC transborder summer roster.

YVR - DEN also mentioned in the above press release.

The outbound phx-yvr connects to the afternoon Asian Flights, but the return would with force an overnight require a double connection through UA.

However the good news is that YVR has been down this road before. YVR-DEN had the same issue last summer. I take it that the DEN services were successful and now warrant double daily flights solely on AC netal. Together with SJC it appears that AC is building YVR into a competitive NA to Asia connecting hub.

[Gordon]

The UA Denver flights are still operating according to Ac's website.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Cage

I take it that the DEN services were successful and now warrant double daily flights solely on AC netal. Together with SJC it appears that AC is building YVR into a competitive NA to Asia connecting hub.

The UA flights to DEN aren't going anywhere. Two mainline plus one daily CR7 in the summer. Total will have 5 flights daily on that route.

Two daily CR9s on AC Jazz would be too little for that market.

Yes it does look like AC is building a NA to Asia hub.

YVR is defijitely Air Canada's focus in Western Canada... I think it's the only city to garner any new services in the last two years.

How many new routes has it been now that's AC has added/announced at YVR in the last two years? I've lost count now!

YVR is on fire! This just seems to be never ending!!

Will see if they boost SAN to double daily next summer. Right now still only showing double daily in April.

[Gordon]

ONe of the AC DEn flights departs @ 10:30. that makes that 4 hour departured block even more congested.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Gordon

ONe of the AC DEn flights departs @ 10:30. that makes that 4 hour departured block even more congested.

But it's over in the transborder terminal not the international terminal where the real congestion is.

As far as I know the runways aren't the points of congestion, it's the gates, but I may be wrong.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1086

AC also launching PHX year round as well.

Daily flights effective 1 May 2017 on, you guessed it, Jazz CR9s.

Although not a new route for AC (served by rouge seasonally) launching this route year round adds yet another destination to the AC transborder summer roster.

YVR - DEN also mentioned in the above press release.

Taking PHX year round is good to see, but my real question becomes what do they do with the 763 they were using on this route in the winters?

1. Does it return for the winter with the CR9, boosting winter capacity?
2. Does it take over for the CR9 in the winter keeping capacity the same?
3. Does the CR9 replace it entirely in the winter leaving the 763 open for different duty?

I really hope it's the last, leaving the 763 open for something a bit more exciting and further afield than Phoenix.

[Gordon]

You are right there is alot of runway capacity left. I would suspect the D\E swing gates will be used for international flights thus making the the trans boarder area more congested as well. the crj705a=s can graound load if worse comes to worse.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The UA flights to DEN aren't going anywhere. Two mainline plus one daily CR7 in the summer. Total will have 5 flights daily on that route.

Two daily CR9s on AC Jazz would be too little for that market.

Yes it does look like AC is building a NA to Asia hub.

When I mentioned double daily solely on AC metal I was referring to the ability of DEN based pax to use YVR as a connection point without having to use UA metal.

The big problem for AC in Western Canada is that AC-UA only have a codeshare relationship on trans-border and have no meaningful relationship on the transpac.

From a UA perspective, they want DEN pax going to Asia to use the NRT flight or connect through SFO. UA actively tries to dissuade pax from connecting to AC unless the connection is through Europe (where AC and UA have a full joint venture).

When discussing DEN-YVR-Asia, it is for reasons stated above that AC and UA operating metal needs to be split apart.

Under last years schedule DEN-YVR-Asia worked entirely on AC metal but not the return. This forced a lot of pax over to UA. The new double daily on AC metal solves this problem, DEN pax can now use AC to Asia both ways.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Cage

....... I take it that the DEN services were successful and now warrant double daily flights solely on AC netal. Together with SJC it appears that AC is building YVR into a competitive NA to Asia connecting hub.

Several years back, Calin Rovinescu talked of the importance of building YVR into a strong AC hub. The airline had always focussed on YYZ of course, and YUL,
and I took what he said with an "oh yeah, sure sure, sure...." attitude. However, he seems to be practising what he preached, and, yes, AC really is making YVR that solid AC hub.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Cage

The big problem for AC in Western Canada is that AC-UA only have a codeshare relationship on trans-border and have no meaningful relationship on the transpac.

UA codeshare with AC on YVR-DEL

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Cage

When I mentioned double daily solely on AC metal I was referring to the ability of DEN based pax to use YVR as a connection point without having to use UA metal.

The big problem for AC in Western Canada is that AC-UA only have a codeshare relationship on trans-border and have no meaningful relationship on the transpac.

From a UA perspective, they want DEN pax going to Asia to use the NRT flight or connect through SFO. UA actively tries to dissuade pax from connecting to AC unless the connection is through Europe (where AC and UA have a full joint venture).

When discussing DEN-YVR-Asia, it is for reasons stated above that AC and UA operating metal needs to be split apart.

Under last years schedule DEN-YVR-Asia worked entirely on AC metal but not the return. This forced a lot of pax over to UA. The new double daily on AC metal solves this problem, DEN pax can now use AC to Asia both ways.

But last year there was no AC metal on YVR-DEN it was all UA.

These are brand new double daily flights.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The UA flights to DEN aren't going anywhere. Two mainline plus one daily CR7 in the summer. Total will have 5 flights daily on that route.

Two daily CR9s on AC Jazz would be too little for that market.

Yes it does look like AC is building a NA to Asia hub.

YVR is defijitely Air Canada's focus in Western Canada... I think it's the only city to garner any new services in the last two years.

How many new routes has it been now that's AC has added/announced at YVR in the last two years? I've lost count now!

YVR is on fire! This just seems to be never ending!!

Will see if they boost SAN to double daily next summer. Right now still only showing double daily in April.

Brisbane, Delhi, Taipei, Nagoya, Osaka, Dublin, LGW, Frankfurt, Cancun, Dallas, San Jose, San Diego, Chicago, Denver, Palm Springs, Phoenix in the last 3 years i believe which would = 16 new routes. Also you may as well call Newark a new route as well with the massive upgrade the 789 has over the a319 both in capacity and customer experience.

[CareerShow]

Anyone have any idea what Alaska's operations at YVR were during the peak years for the airline at the airport

[nname]

According to this, Air Berlin is planning to reinstate service to Canada. Would they come back to YVR?

[nname]

Schedule for the new AC flights taken from Airline Route:

eff 01MAY17 Vancouver – Phoenix 1 daily CRJ705 (overall Air Canada service converts to year-round, summer season operated by Air Canada Express)
AC8228 YVR0800 – 1100PHX CRA D
AC8229 PHX1040 – 1355YVR CRA D

eff 18MAY17 Vancouver – Denver 2 daily CRJ705 (Last served in September 2001)
AC8108 YVR1030 – 1420DEN CRA D
AC8110 YVR1435 – 1825DEN CRA D

AC8109 DEN0755 – 1000YVR CRA D
AC8111 DEN1455 – 1700YVR CRA D

Wonder where would the plane go after arriving at PHX. YVR is the only route operates by CRA so far... Seems like AC haven't done yet?

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

Schedule for the new AC flights taken from Airline Route:



Wonder where would the plane go after arriving at PHX. YVR is the only route operates by CRA so far... Seems like AC haven't done yet?

Yea, looks like the airplane sits in PHX for a full day if it doesn't get utilized somewhere. Must be possibility for a second destination in there...eventually

[Gordon]

maybe the plane goes to another western Canadian destination, because airlines do not usually leave planes on the ground for almost 24 hours.

There was an item on ctv morning live this morning about UA charging for use of overhead bins.

[jmt18325]

Yeah UA is apparently going to do that.