YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Denscity]

Can you say if its to Asia or not Johnny?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by casper

A significant amount of that expansion was also from increasing the density of existing aircraft.

Vietnam Airlines is also a possibility, although I believe that was being discussed as a tag-on to LAX

[Klazu]

Btw, I wasn't joking on or doubting Johnny (who always has the best scoops for this thread ), but just stating how amazingly well YVR is doing when it is pretty much a given that we will see a new airline (or likely few) a year start flying to YVR.

[Johnny Aussie]

Now back to China!

I see CA is reducing the YEG cargo flights to only 2 weekly. I don't know if that's permanent or not but 4 were allocated for cargo. I'm just thinking about perhaps more opportunities for YVR on the horizon. As we all know not many frequencies available.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Now back to China!

I see CA is reducing the YEG cargo flights to only 2 weekly. I don't know if that's permanent or not but 4 were allocated for cargo. I'm just thinking about perhaps more opportunities for YVR on the horizon. As we all know not many frequencies available.

OR maybe to up YUL to 6x weekly.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

It's "bigger" in the sense of the route.. another "game changing" route. As for how big the airline is well it's bigger than Croatia Airlines but smaller than Delta.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

In this case:

1) the carrier is confirmed
2) the route is confirmed
3) the equipment is confirmed
4) the time frame is confirmed
5) absolute start date is unconfirmed

This is one of the carriers that has been in progress talks... There are obviously more. Some carriers are able to confirm quicker than others. In fact, other carriers may solidify something sooner and even be able to launch sooner.

Having said all that... Obviously things can change... but as of right now it is "definitely" happening.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Now back to China!

I see CA is reducing the YEG cargo flights to only 2 weekly. I don't know if that's permanent or not but 4 were allocated for cargo. I'm just thinking about perhaps more opportunities for YVR on the horizon. As we all know not many frequencies available.

Johnny, your remark 'now, back to China!' would indicate that this is not a Chinese route, obviously, and besides we just got Hong Kong airlines.
And I don't know if a route to Viet Nam (Saigon?) would really be a "game changer" as you stated it would be. You said the route was confirmed.
This sounds rather big-time, and I'm not sure Vitnamese would fit that category. We already have Europe, plus the Philippines. Could this be Thai or Singapore?
This would never be Europe,
The Gulf M3 are out of it,and South America (prob Lima if anything), has a .00001% of being part of it. So it pretty near has to be Asia / Pacific. At least, I'm guessing so.
Maybe it's twice daily to Orlando or Miami

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Johnny, your remark 'now, back to China!' would indicate that this is not a Chinese route, obviously, and besides we just got Hong Kong airlines.
And I don't know if a route to Viet Nam (Saigon?) would really be a "game changer" as you stated it would be. You said the route was confirmed.
This sounds rather big-time, and I'm not sure Vitnamese would fit that category. We already have Europe, plus the Philippines. Could this be Thai or Singapore?
This would never be Europe,
The Gulf M3 are out of it,and South America (prob Lima if anything), has a .00001% of being part of it. So it pretty near has to be Asia / Pacific. At least, I'm guessing so.
Maybe it's twice daily to Orlando or Miami

It'll come out in due time, but great deductive reasoning.
Vietnam Airlines and Thai seem to be hogging quite some spotlight in some forum circles. Although, also wouldn't rule out SQ coming back with the A350's, I would really like to see that one happen.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

It'll come out in due time, but great deductive reasoning.
Vietnam Airlines and Thai seem to be hogging quite some spotlight in some forum circles. Although, also wouldn't rule out SQ coming back with the A350's, I would really like to see that one happen.

that's 2x !

[POCO]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Johnny, your remark 'now, back to China!' would indicate that this is not a Chinese route, obviously, and besides we just got Hong Kong airlines.
And I don't know if a route to Viet Nam (Saigon?) would really be a "game changer" as you stated it would be. You said the route was confirmed.
This sounds rather big-time, and I'm not sure Vitnamese would fit that category. We already have Europe, plus the Philippines. Could this be Thai or Singapore?
This would never be Europe,
The Gulf M3 are out of it,and South America (prob Lima if anything), has a .00001% of being part of it. So it pretty near has to be Asia / Pacific. At least, I'm guessing so.
Maybe it's twice daily to Orlando or Miami

I doubt it's Thai because the bearly skirt EU flying bans. I'm thinking Singapore. Norweign would be really cool (and colourful).

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by POCO

I doubt it's Thai because the bearly skirt EU flying bans. I'm thinking Singapore. Norweign would be really cool (and colourful).

Interesting... I had never considered Norwegian, as I understand there are some Norway non-EU status §#¤% preventing it flying here. Be great if it could (save$$$) but if anything, SQL

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Interesting... I had never considered Norwegian, as I understand there are some Norway non-EU status §#¤% preventing it flying here. Be great if it could (save$$$) but if anything, SQL

DOT just approved the Norwegian flights across the border, so it could be possible that Canada follows suit with this.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Interesting... I had never considered Norwegian, as I understand there are some Norway non-EU status §#¤% preventing it flying here. Be great if it could (save$$$) but if anything, SQL

Originally Posted by teriyaki

DOT just approved the Norwegian flights across the border, so it could be possible that Canada follows suit with this.

If they (Norwegian) do get landing rights, they'll get YYZ, maybe YUL, but YVR I doubt it. We're limited to the "Big 4" & summer stuff, but that's where it seems to stop.
Their Barcelona hub might work though, if only for summer seasonal, if allowed by The Ministry.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

If they (Norwegian) do get landing rights, they'll get YYZ, maybe YUL, but YVR I doubt it. We're limited to the "Big 4" & summer stuff, but that's where it seems to stop.
Their Barcelona hub might work though, if only for summer seasonal, if allowed by The Ministry.

There is an open skies agreement between Canada and Europe. So most European airlines are free to fly to any Canadian airport.

Norwegian is a strange strange airline. I believe they have an unusual ownership structure and have there in flight employees based out of low cost regions instead of their home country. The reason they had so much difficulty getting access to the US market.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by casper

There is an open skies agreement between Canada and Europe. So most European airlines are free to fly to any Canadian airport.

Norwegian is a strange strange airline. I believe they have an unusual ownership structure and have there in flight employees based out of low cost regions instead of their home country. The reason they had so much difficulty getting access to the US market.

And Norwegian has four air operating certificates but shares, I believe, aircraft between entities.

[casper]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

And Norwegian has four air operating certificates but shares, I believe, aircraft between entities.

I have no experience with aviation authorities, but my experience with other regulators is they want to know who to hold accountable if there is a violation of the license. In simple terms, who is willing to say I take responsibility and will be the one you bring into court if things go wrong. Hard to do when there is a bit of shell game like that.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

It'll come out in due time, but great deductive reasoning.
Vietnam Airlines and Thai seem to be hogging quite some spotlight in some forum circles. Although, also wouldn't rule out SQ coming back with the A350's, I would really like to see that one happen.

Another possibility -- Cebu Pacific mentioned a year or so ago they wanted to fly to Canada. A bright yellow tail counts as colorful, right?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Another possibility -- Cebu Pacific mentioned a year or so ago they wanted to fly to Canada. A bright yellow tail counts as colorful, right?

Yes! It sure is colourful!

YVR already has direct flights to MNL

But this is more groundbreaking.

There are a few acceptable definitions of "groundbreaking" one of them is quite appropriate for this.....

I'll leave it that!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes! It sure is colourful!

YVR already has direct flights to MNL

But this is more groundbreaking.

There a few acceptable definitions of "groundbreaking" one of them is quite appropriate for this.....

I'll leave it that!

You mentioned "groundbreaking" and "game changing." Hmm. Sounds big time ...

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes! It sure is colourful!

YVR already has direct flights to MNL

But this is more groundbreaking.

There are a few acceptable definitions of "groundbreaking" one of them is quite appropriate for this.....

I'll leave it that!

Hmm... intriguing. So probably a destination currently unserved from YVR. Most likely an Asian carrier (but maybe not from China given that frequencies are pretty much maxed). Likely an Asian carrier than isn't currently serving YVR. Given the economics, I'd also say it's probably a current or future A350 or B787 operator.

Looking at the list of possibilities (from Wikipedia, so maybe not that current):

Asian airlines who have A350 in fleet or on order who meet the above criteria:
- AirAsia X
- Asiana (probably not the one since ICN already served by KL/AC)
- Singapore Airlines - yes, would love to see them back in YVR
- Thai Airways - already talked about this one, but only 4 on order
- Vietnam Airlines - maybe, but talked about as tag-on from USA

Asian airlines who have B787 in fleet or on order who meet the above criteria:
- Air India - but DEL already served by AC. Unlikely they'd do BOM
- Jet - same as Air India
- Singapore Airlines - hmm
- Vietnam Airlines - hmm again

As an aside, I note Norwegian also operates B787s too...

Based on these parameters, it would seem to come back to SQ, TG and possibly VN. Haven't heard anything about D7 looking to serve Vancouver. A nonstop SIN-YVR flight could be considered groundbreaking!

Of course assumptions about plane type could be wrong, since an A330 or even 767 can reach Asia from YVR. Fun to speculate though...

[Canadian74]

Thai or SQ imo