PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 634

City Wide · #**12661** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 4:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by Philamigo

University City is second only to Center City itself as the economic engine of Philadelphia. It is booming!

With all the new construction and new businesses, my only hope is the charming Victorian-era homes and shops are protected.

What a shame a c.1850 Italianate mansion at 40th and Pine was demolished.

A few blocks have City protection, but that's it. Tear downs have already taken place on 45th. St. and Chester Ave. Sad, but some people will do anything to make a buck. Unfortunately the community groups are just too liberal and afraid of hunting someone's feelings to do anything. Even the local 'historic society' is useless

summersm343 · #**12662** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 4:46 PM**

One Franklin Tower - apartments/office/retail - recladding/ redevelopment

summersm343 · #**12663** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 5:08 PM**

Took a bunch of photo updates yesterday. I just uploaded them all today. Enjoy!

summersm343 · #**12664** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 8:45 PM**

Zoning Permit up at 19th and Ludlow

Permit says 252 room hotel. That's pretty big!

Plokoon11 · #**12665** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 9:05 PM**

Define big. What size does that relate to?

summersm343 · #**12666** Posted **Nov 19, 2016, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Plokoon11

Define big. What size does that relate to?

It could be anywhere between 18 and 25 floors, depending on the size of the rooms, the hotel amenities, etc.

jakel · #**12667** Posted **Nov 20, 2016, 3:22 AM**

31 s 19th St's lot size is about 12,200 sq/ft. (It was recently combined with 29 S 19th St). The Hyatt Centric (Little Petes) is 15,000 sq/ft, with 309 units, ground floor retail, and 220 parking spaces. I'd imagine that a decent approximation of size could be made that 31 S 19th will be about the size of the Hyatt Centric, give or take a few floors.

Human Scale · #**12668** Posted **Nov 20, 2016, 6:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by jakel

31 s 19th St's lot size is about 12,200 sq/ft. (It was recently combined with 29 S 19th St). The Hyatt Centric (Little Petes) is 15,000 sq/ft, with 309 units, ground floor retail, and 220 parking spaces. I'd imagine that a decent approximation of size could be made that 31 S 19th will be about the size of the Hyatt Centric, give or take a few floors.

More so I think Hyatt is the brand. Hyatt Place or Hyatt House concepts. The first being smaller value rooms (I believe) and the second being large extended stay suites. Big size difference when you talk about 200+ rooms on that tight lot.

Philamigo · #**12669** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 4:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by City Wide

A few blocks have City protection, but that's it. Tear downs have already taken place on 45th. St. and Chester Ave. Sad, but some people will do anything to make a buck. Unfortunately the community groups are just too liberal and afraid of hunting someone's feelings to do anything. Even the local 'historic society' is useless

The local historical society - which I am a member of - is useless in that they have no power or leverage to stop developers with deep pockets, political connections, and legal expertise to thwart even the most eloquent pleas for historic preservation. Just look at Jeweler's Row!

Let's face it: the people with power get their wishes granted ... the local historic societies have no power.

The University City Historic Society desperately tried to save a c.1860 mansion across the street from Clark Park on the 4200 block of Baltimore Ave - and while a hearing was pending the Clarkmore Group of NYC came in at the middle of the night and demolished it! At least a rather upscale Cecil Baker residential building is slated for that property ... unlike the cheap crappy buildings we see going up in "Templetown."

Sheesh! For a city that prides itself on it's history, there seems to be no regard for our historic architectural heritage.

Don't get the wrong idea! I am all for modern construction. I like highrises and skyscrapers. We do not live in Colonial Williamsburg or some kind of living history museum. My point it is we should try to keep the best and those that are knocked down should be replaced with something decent.

jsbrook · #**12670** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 6:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Zoning Permit up at 19th and Ludlow

Permit says 252 room hotel. That's pretty big!

Where is this going/what is it replacing? Trying to picture it. The cleaners across from the Enterprise?

jakel · #**12671** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 12:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Where is this going/what is it replacing? Trying to picture it. The cleaners across from the Enterprise?

Replaces a surface parking lot

The entrance is on 19th St and the lot extends back along Ludlow. There's a 3 story rowhome to the north of the entrance that appears to be included as well.

McBane · #**12672** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Zoning Permit up at 19th and Ludlow

Permit says 252 room hotel. That's pretty big!

What is this proposal? I can't keep track of all the hotels anymore. I thought the Hudson Hotel (or maybe now it's something else) was for 17th and Chancellor. Is this entirely new? Renderings? Anything?

1487 · #**12673** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 3:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

What is this proposal? I can't keep track of all the hotels anymore. I thought the Hudson Hotel (or maybe now it's something else) was for 17th and Chancellor. Is this entirely new? Renderings? Anything?

this is different. Not much is known about it but several parcels were consolidated recently to create a lot for a hotel. I dont think any details have been released but we can assume there will be some news on this in the near future.

jsbrook · #**12674** Posted **Nov 21, 2016, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jakel

Replaces a surface parking lot

The entrance is on 19th St and the lot extends back along Ludlow. There's a 3 story rowhome to the north of the entrance that appears to be included as well.

Ah. Thanks!

City Wide · #**12675** Posted **Nov 23, 2016, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Philamigo

The local historical society - which I am a member of - is useless in that they have no power or leverage to stop developers with deep pockets, political connections, and legal expertise to thwart even the most eloquent pleas for historic preservation. Just look at Jeweler's Row!

Let's face it: the people with power get their wishes granted ... the local historic societies have no power.

The University City Historic Society desperately tried to save a c.1860 mansion across the street from Clark Park on the 4200 block of Baltimore Ave - and while a hearing was pending the Clarkmore Group of NYC came in at the middle of the night and demolished it! At least a rather upscale Cecil Baker residential building is slated for that property ... unlike the cheap crappy buildings we see going up in "Templetown."

Sheesh! For a city that prides itself on it's history, there seems to be no regard for our historic architectural heritage.

Don't get the wrong idea! I am all for modern construction. I like highrises and skyscrapers. We do not live in Colonial Williamsburg or some kind of living history museum. My point it is we should try to keep the best and those that are knocked down should be replaced with something decent.

Re:4224 Baltimore Ave, the word is out that that project is dead

SPM2856 · #**12676** Posted **Nov 25, 2016, 4:05 PM**

I've heard 19th&Ludlow hotel to be 6-7-8 stories tall

hammersklavier · #**12677** Posted **Nov 27, 2016, 4:14 PM**

WE INTERRUPT THIS THREAD FOR AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

YOUR TEMPLE OWLS ARE NOW AAC EAST CHAMPS TWO YEARS IN A ROW!!

That is all.

Urbanthusiat · #**12678** Posted **Nov 27, 2016, 6:42 PM**

^^ all the more reason to build a stadium. I'd love to have college football in Philly. I think Temple could be viewed as more like a peer to Penn State and Pitt to increase its appeal, making it even better and spurring development in the area. It'd be a great complement to the other universities as neither Penn or Drexel really fill that kind of "big state school with good sports" role.

jjv007 · #**12679** Posted **Nov 27, 2016, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

^^ all the more reason to build a stadium. I'd love to have college football in Philly. I think Temple could be viewed as more like a peer to Penn State and Pitt to increase its appeal, making it even better and spurring development in the area. It'd be a great complement to the other universities as neither Penn or Drexel really fill that kind of "big state school with good sports" role.

Haha I go to Temple and it's hard to see this going forward. So many complain about the stadium project destroying the community fabric. But then again if most of the people rejecting the project had their say, their probably wouldn't be a Temple University in the first place. Unfortunately many see most urban development as a form of class warfare.

Larry King · #**12680** Posted **Nov 28, 2016, 12:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by jjv007

Haha I go to Temple and it's hard to see this going forward. So many complain about the stadium project destroying the community fabric. But then again if most of the people rejecting the project had their say, their probably wouldn't be a Temple University in the first place. Unfortunately many see most urban development as a form of class warfare.

Who cares what they think, only voice that matters is Clarke