New Ottawa Civic Hospital [930 Carling Ave + 520 Preston St] | U/C

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I heard Pierre on CFRA a few days ago talking about this. It was all political spin. The evil Liberals dared to second guess the Conservative decision. How wonderful the Conservative analysis was. No mention that there was no public consultation. That all the research was going to end shortly, although it is now known that it is on a standard renewable cycle. How little of the CEF is affected, not mentioning that this is the second sell off of CEF property. I consider this the slippery slope to destroying one of the most unique and distinctive features of the City of Ottawa.

I don't know in this case I see his point. Those in the hospital community talk about the years of delay this has caused. It seems to be 2006 all over again to some extent.

If you are a fan of the CEF then this might be worth it but I think for most of the city it is easily expendable.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

The next big fight around a new Civic hospital — and yes, it involves parking

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 6, 2016 | Last Updated: October 6, 2016 6:48 PM EDT

When Ottawa’s new Civic hospital is complete, it will be encircled by more parking spots than almost any new hospital in the province. And the majority of those 3,400 proposed spots could be surface parking, stretching over 15-20 acres, along with access roads. An average Costco parking lot, by comparison, contains about 600 spots. The vast parking lots at the Canadian Tire Centre have more than 6,500 spots.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...vic-hospital-and-yes-it-involves-parking

Holy cow. That really puts this thing in context. The Ottawa Hospital is seriously proposing that they need more than half the total number of parking spaces as the Canadian Tire Centre and nearly 6 times as many parking spaces as the average Costco... and that most of them need to be surface parking in the middle of the city.

When put it that context, it really hits home for me. I was already opposed to the ridiculous parking demands the Ottawa Hospital thinks are necessary but this is just lunacy for a downtown-ish hospital.

[McC]

think of the salt. think of the run-off. think of the heat island. it's disgusting.

[Mikeed]

This really needs to have push back. It's ridiculous! The fact they want to build it on research farmland only serves to heighten the ridiculous suburban office park design.

This must be a design choice to make the CEF the only possible site. I wanted to find a visual representation of that much parking. The East and West lots at Finch Station in Toronto is a combined 3,227, a 173 less then the Civic Hospital wants to build.

Those in the hospital community talk about the years of delay this has caused. It seems to be 2006 all over again to some extent.

Considering the effect the main hospital campus has on the overall evolution of a city- this can not be overstated- and the reality that this campus will serve Ottawa for 100 years, We must get this right.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

Holy cow. That really puts this thing in context. The Ottawa Hospital is seriously proposing that they need more than half the total number of parking spaces as the Canadian Tire Centre and nearly 6 times as many parking spaces as the average Costco... and that most of them need to be surface parking in the middle of the city.

When put it that context, it really hits home for me. I was already opposed to the ridiculous parking demands the Ottawa Hospital thinks are necessary but this is just lunacy for a downtown-ish hospital.

Also, think of the roads that need to feed into a much larger hospital mainly accessed by private vehicle. When they have been talking about roads, they have been talking about roads on site, not those needed to handle all the extra traffic coming to the location.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Mikeed

This really needs to have push back. It's ridiculous! The fact they want to build it on research farmland only serves to heighten the ridiculous suburban office park design.

This must be a design choice to make the CEF the only possible site. I wanted to find a visual representation of that much parking. The East and West lots at Finch Station in Toronto is a combined 3,227, a 173 less then the Civic Hospital wants to build.







Considering the effect the main hospital campus has on the overall evolution of a city- this can not be overstated- and the reality that this campus will serve Ottawa for 100 years, We must get this right.

It will actually be worse than the Finch Station parking lot for traffic. In the case of Finch Station, the bulk of the traffic will come and go at rush hour. For a hospital, there is constant turnover of traffic throughout the day.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Mikeed

Considering the effect the main hospital campus has on the overall evolution of a city- this can not be overstated- and the reality that this campus will serve Ottawa for 100 years, We must get this right.

We won't.

It will be all wrong, all the way down.

Expect the further-out locations to get priority as the site assessment continues. The hollowing-out of central Ottawa will pick up more steam.

[spotlight]

Sorry I haven't read through the entire thread. So if this has been mentioned already sorry.

But i was looking at the new Carleton Master Plan in the other thread. Carleton is pretty close to the existing civic site.... Carleton has a lot of space that they want to develop... How about putting the new civic on Carleton Campus and have Carleton launch a med school program to go along with it? both of our main hospital campuses would then be teaching hospitals. Having a med program would help Carleton improve it's academic reputation going forward as they seem to want to change their perception.

thoughts?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by spotlight

Sorry I haven't read through the entire thread. So if this has been mentioned already sorry.

But i was looking at the new Carleton Master Plan in the other thread. Carleton is pretty close to the existing civic site.... Carleton has a lot of space that they want to develop... How about putting the new civic on Carleton Campus and have Carleton launch a med school program to go along with it? both of our main hospital campuses would then be teaching hospitals. Having a med program would help Carleton improve it's academic reputation going forward as they seem to want to change their perception.

thoughts?

McGill will be adding a Med School on the Gatineau side within the next few years. Not sure the NCR can support three.

[sestafanos]

Originally Posted by spotlight

Sorry I haven't read through the entire thread. So if this has been mentioned already sorry.

But i was looking at the new Carleton Master Plan in the other thread. Carleton is pretty close to the existing civic site.... Carleton has a lot of space that they want to develop... How about putting the new civic on Carleton Campus and have Carleton launch a med school program to go along with it? both of our main hospital campuses would then be teaching hospitals. Having a med program would help Carleton improve it's academic reputation going forward as they seem to want to change their perception.

thoughts?

The only access to Carleton University from the eastbound highway means Bronson Ave which is already horrific to drive in. Even if someone were to take another exit, the portion between Carling and the university is the only way to actually get there. Carleton university has very disappointing access routes in general. It's somewhat problematic as a university but can be accepted...add a hospital? Good luck!

[Freekyjesus]

Originally Posted by spotlight

Sorry I haven't read through the entire thread. So if this has been mentioned already sorry.

But i was looking at the new Carleton Master Plan in the other thread. Carleton is pretty close to the existing civic site.... Carleton has a lot of space that they want to develop... How about putting the new civic on Carleton Campus and have Carleton launch a med school program to go along with it? both of our main hospital campuses would then be teaching hospitals. Having a med program would help Carleton improve it's academic reputation going forward as they seem to want to change their perception.

thoughts?

TOH already has a longstanding business partnership with Ottawa U. I do not believe they could align themselves with another University

[kwoldtimer]

I doubt the Province would consider another medical school in any event and, if they did, Carleton could have competition.

[rocketphish]

New hospital site to be revealed Thursday

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 23, 2016 | Last Updated: November 23, 2016 6:30 PM EST

The federal government has doubled down on its support for the Central Experimental Farm in recent weeks, just as the National Capital Commission is poised to reveal its recommended site for a new $2 billion Ottawa Civic hospital.

The NCC will announce which site it has selected at its board meeting Thursday morning.

It was given the task of reviewing a dozen potential sites in Ottawa, four of them located on the Central Experimental Farm. Its recommendation will go to Minister of Canadian Heritage Melanie Joly for final approval.

In recent weeks, the federal government has signalled it might have little appetite to dig up part of the farm to accommodate the hospital.

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, whose riding includes the current Civic hospital, called the long-term research plots on Field No. 1 — the hospital’s preferred location for the new complex — “irreplaceable” in a written answer to a question from Pierre Polievre about research on the farm.

“The real cost of cancelling the studies on Field 1 would be the loss of the scientific data and the effects of that loss on a variety of other research projects currently using this data, both in Canada and internationally,” in an answer to a question tabled in the House of Commons. She highlighted research looking at carbon and agricultural sustainability.

Officials with Agriculture and Agrifood Canada asked the National Capital Commission to insure the Central Experimental Farm remains intact.

“From a research and heritage perspective, the department feels that an ideal outcome would be that the integrity of the CEF remain intact and that an alternate site be selected that does not include lands within its boundaries.”

Thursday’s announcement comes after years of debate, review and controversy over the site of a modern replacement for the aging Civic hospital.

Hospital officials would like to build the new super hospital across the road from the existing Civic, on the Experimental Farm along Carling Avenue.

The federal Conservative government agreed two years ago to transfer the land so the hospital could be built on 60 acres of farm research land there.

But the proposal, made with no public consultation, proved controversial with groups rallying to protect the National Historic Site.

Earlier this year, the federal Liberals announced the plan would be reviewed. The NCC was tasked this summer with reviewing 12 sites The Ottawa Hospital had previously looked at.

They include three sites on the Farm along Carling Avenue, another site on farm land near Baseline and Merivale roads, Tunney’s Pasture, one near Lincoln Fields, the Booth Street complex, two sites on West Hunt Club road near Highway 416, one on Woodroffe near Hunt Club and the Merivale Road-Woodroffe Avenue corridor as well as the current site of the Civic hospital.

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/new-hospital-site-to-be-revealed

[kwoldtimer]

I find myself wondering whether the decision won't be to build on the CEF, but on a smaller site than was first proposed? The usual kind of "satisfies nobody" compromise.

[passwordisnt123]

I'd have no objection to the hospital structure itself being built on the Central Experimental Farm but I don't think we should tolerate 15-20 acres of parking on the Central Experimental Farm. If the Ottawa Hospital gets its way, that's exactly the amount of spaces they claim they absolutely must have and that it must almost all be surface parking because reasons.

If they want to build that many parking spaces, especially if it ends up being on the CEF, we should insist that at least 95% be underground parking or parkades.

I think the best site for this though is the former Carling building site or Tunney's Pasture.

[daud]

Tunney's is, according to NCC, the recommended site.

[zzptichka]

Wow. I'm impressed. Good call NCC.

[Mikeed]

If it is Tunney's, I'm guessing it will take up Western portion of it largely dominated by parking lots and the Canadian Forces Computer Network Operations building.

The CFCNO will likely be moved to the new Carling Campus freeing up that area to be developed. But, considering that has a NATO flag, hopefully it doesn't require Five Eyes level security controls, as that might require building a new building at the Carling Campus from scratch, but there has been mention of building new buildings at the new DNDHQ for an integrated operations command centre. Which could possible sit on top of the CFCNO.

[Mikeed]

Hopefully the Ottawa Hospital will continue to be pressured to build this in a more urban design focus.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by Mikeed

Hopefully the Ottawa Hospital will continue to be pressured to build this in a more urban design focus.

Agreed. But at least with this proposed location, if they do go with heaps of suburban crappy surface parking, it won't be much of a change from what's there already. They'll just be moving the concrete around.