900 Albert St | 234/203/105m | 65/56/23fl | Approved

[OTSkyline]

CAN WE NOT HAVE SOME FLIPPIN' VARIETY IN HEIGHTS?!
I don't understand why heights always have to be the same on eveyr project, 3 x 30fl here, 3 x 55fl here, 4 x 18fl there....

I would've rather seen a 58 story "icon" tower, perhaps a 35-45 story medium tower and a smaller more human -scalled 25 floor tower... Some variety...

Anyhow... We will need to wait and see what the designs look like and if/when this ever gets built.

[passwordisnt123]

Has anybody done the math to calculate all the units that are going to be coming online in the next 10-20 years from Wateridge Village, Oblate lands, Zibi, Lebretton Flats and Little Italy (and any others that I may be forgetting)?

I'm not sure what the numbers are but just off the top of my head, the numbers seem staggering. CMHC already says that Ottawa is currently the only city in Canada (IIRC) where the only identified problem with our housing market is overbuilding. Basically, we're the opposite of Vancouver and Toronto. Our housing market isn't overpriced, there isn't a problem with a huge price increase but we already have a bit of a glut (especially on the condo side) and it seems like it's going to get even more intense in the medium-term future.

I'm wondering if Ottawa needs to implement a temporary moratorium on any new urban development outside the Greenbelt to avoid a total imbalance in the market so that we can focus on intensification for the next little while and absorb this massive number of condos that are forthcoming without collapsing the market.

[McC]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

The City has engaged with Trinity in planning for the Albert Street corridor which has looked at various ‘complete street’ concepts for the street given its location adjacent to transit stations, and it being identified as the route for a cross-town bikeway in the City’s 2013 Transportation Master Plan. The proposed functional plan for the corridor reduces the number of vehicle lanes from four (4) to three (3)

This is huge and most welcome. It represents a real change in the attitude of the transportation folks, who refused to hear of such ideas in earlier planning contexts.

but watf is this bit???

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Because of limited width along the Albert Street bridge, pedestrian facilities across the bridge are only provided along the north side.

the existing sidewalks are way too narrow, but they exist, on both sides. How is removing one full (very wide) traffic lane insufficient for the cycle tracks that they need to remove a sidewalk too?

[grooveduster]

Wow! This would be incredible!!

[BlueJay]

All these developers have done the math. In 10 - 20 years, population numbers will also increase to coincide with new units becoming available. Trinity's development for this site as of now is focused on rental units which will fill these buildings to at least 96% capacity if we take into account the current rental vacancy rate of 3.5%. However, by the time this development is shovel ready, one or two of these buildings may be condos depending on the market conditions. Another positive for all these proposed developments is that the phoenix pay system problems should be cleared up in 10 - 20 years....maybe

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

Has anybody done the math to calculate all the units that are going to be coming online in the next 10-20 years from Wateridge Village, Oblate lands, Zibi, Lebretton Flats and Little Italy (and any others that I may be forgetting)?

I'm not sure what the numbers are but just off the top of my head, the numbers seem staggering. CMHC already says that Ottawa is currently the only city in Canada (IIRC) where the only identified problem with our housing market is overbuilding. Basically, we're the opposite of Vancouver and Toronto. Our housing market isn't overpriced, there isn't a problem with a huge price increase but we already have a bit of a glut (especially on the condo side) and it seems like it's going to get even more intense in the medium-term future.

I'm wondering if Ottawa needs to implement a temporary moratorium on any new urban development outside the Greenbelt to avoid a total imbalance in the market so that we can focus on intensification for the next little while and absorb this massive number of condos that are forthcoming without collapsing the market.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by BlueJay

Another positive for all these proposed developments is that the phoenix pay system problems should be cleared up in 10 - 20 years....maybe

As a person who's been dealing with the Phoenix people for months, I hope I'll be ready to laugh at that joke some day before these developments are built

[AuxTown]

Does this put them on any of the "Canada's tallest" lists?

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

As a person who's been dealing with the Phoenix people for months, I hope I'll be ready to laugh at that joke some day before these developments are built

Are you referring to the Phoenix pay system with the feds or Phoenix the company that used to own this property.

Personally, I don't hold out a lot of hope for this development to be built to this height in my working life (say 12 more years).

[ortelius]

from the West Side action blog, in the comments section:
http://www.westsideaction.com/underpass-at-bayview-station/

"the details of Trinity Station are still being worked out. Count on two 55 storey towers, rentals, in partnership with a major ottawa developer. Site work begins in January, with foundation excavation starting in june 2017. The third tower, whether apt, condo, or office, follows. There are as yet no exterior elevations of the buildings or retail; the pic on the signs are just for illustration purposes. Recall excavating those railway turntables? That was part of the site prep work."

[daud]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

Does this put them on any of the "Canada's tallest" lists?

assuming they come in at 200m they could crack the top 30 and be about the same size as Vancouver's tallest, Living Shangri-la

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Shangri-La

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

Are you referring to the Phoenix pay system with the feds or Phoenix the company that used to own this property.

Personally, I don't hold out a lot of hope for this development to be built to this height in my working life (say 12 more years).

Sorry. I was referring to the pay system. Forgot all about the developer Phoenix. Now, whenever I see that name, I just go into a mini-PTSD shell shock mode and stop thinking.

[HighwayStar]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

Does this put them on any of the "Canada's tallest" lists?

If you like tall buildings... and haven't discovered this site... it basically works by city and shows all the buildings ranked by height..

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?

Note you can filter by "under construction", "proposed", etc...

If you've got the motivation, filter through Canadas biggest cities and see where it would fit

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

Personally, I don't hold out a lot of hope for this development to be built to this height in my working life (say 12 more years).

Of all the relatively shovel-ready proposals, this one actually seems to be the most viable. Other than the rest of LeBreton (which will likely be years away), there isn't really any other significant mixed-use development directly adjacent to the Confederation line (plus the Trillium line). I can see this one overtaking the Richcraft proposal for the Dow Honda site and pushing it into the far future.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

Has anybody done the math to calculate all the units that are going to be coming online in the next 10-20 years from Wateridge Village, Oblate lands, Zibi, Lebretton Flats and Little Italy (and any others that I may be forgetting)?

...

I'm wondering if Ottawa needs to implement a temporary moratorium on any new urban development outside the Greenbelt to avoid a total imbalance in the market so that we can focus on intensification for the next little while and absorb this massive number of condos that are forthcoming without collapsing the market.

Nope. The city shouldn't be in the business of second-guessing the market.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by passwordisnt123

Has anybody done the math to calculate all the units that are going to be coming online in the next 10-20 years from Wateridge Village, Oblate lands, Zibi, Lebretton Flats and Little Italy (and any others that I may be forgetting)?

I'm not sure what the numbers are but just off the top of my head, the numbers seem staggering. CMHC already says that Ottawa is currently the only city in Canada (IIRC) where the only identified problem with our housing market is overbuilding. Basically, we're the opposite of Vancouver and Toronto. Our housing market isn't overpriced, there isn't a problem with a huge price increase but we already have a bit of a glut (especially on the condo side) and it seems like it's going to get even more intense in the medium-term future.

I'm wondering if Ottawa needs to implement a temporary moratorium on any new urban development outside the Greenbelt to avoid a total imbalance in the market so that we can focus on intensification for the next little while and absorb this massive number of condos that are forthcoming without collapsing the market.

Not sure about what's coming out but here's recent projections for what's needed:

http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-con...rastructure/growth-projections-2011-2036

The projections show a need for 131,000 additional housing units over the 2014 to 2036 period, an increase of 34 per cent from 2014. Projected new units by type are split 36 per cent apartments, 33 per cent single-detached, 28 per cent townhouses, and 3 per cent semi-detached.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Nope. The city shouldn't be in the business of second-guessing the market.

I think governments can sometimes play a positive role in shaping or developing markets for the better so I disagree as a general rule. But, that said, if we take your point I'd still like to propose some other excuse for the city implementing a temporary moratorium on expansions of the urban boundary outside of the greenbelt

[BlueJay]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

Personally, I don't hold out a lot of hope for this development to be built to this height in my working life (say 12 more years).

Well since you have at least 12 years to live, you will see this project completed. This development is closer to reality than most would expect.

[BlueJay]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

OI can see this one overtaking the Richcraft proposal for the Dow Honda site and pushing it into the far future.

There is no question that the Albert St. project will be completed first. The Dow site will not happen until Richcraft sells it as they are trying to that aggressively.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I can see this one overtaking the Richcraft proposal for the Dow Honda site and pushing it into the far future.

Isn't the Richcraft project planned to be condos?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by daud

assuming they come in at 200m they could crack the top 30 and be about the same size as Vancouver's tallest, Living Shangri-la

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Shangri-La

I'm sure it will hit around the 200 meter mark, but the appeal of Shangri-la is that it is an iconic building towering 50+ meters over the rest of the city. As OTSkyline mentioned, variety in height is important to make an interesting skyline. If we just have groupings of buildings of the same design and height, it gets kind of boring.

They should go with a 67 tower (cause it's on the Confederation Line) with 40 and 50 floors for the other two towers.

The fact that it will be rental worries me as they might come up with a cheaper design.