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Originally Posted by CaliNative
I read in the paper that a much of the murders and assualts are due to fighting between Latino gangs (mostly immigrants, legal and illegal, including the infamous and violent MS gang) and African-American gangs for turf and drug selling. The Latino gangs as they grow greatly in numbers are pushing into traditional black areas, so that causes violent clashes I guess. The same black-Latino gang clashes is also occurring in other cities nationwide, including L.A., S.F., Dallas, Houston etc. Of course innocent people get caught in the crossfire. Sad. Maybe others have more info on the gang clashes, and the role in the crime increases.
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This is hilariously false and ignorant by the author, throw away whatever paper you read and never take it seriously again.
In Chicago, West Coast gangs, especially MS-13, Bloods or Crips cannot gain any footing in the city or it's suburbs before being annihilated let alone take anything over and the largest and most deadly Latino gang in the country is Chicago's own Latin Kings. MS-13 does not control or operate in even one single block throughout the entire city as well as the reality that there is no organized Bloods or Crips in Chicago or it's suburbs either. They have all tried throughout the years and they have all failed. Chicago's gangs are too embedded, historic, violent, heavily-armed and numerous to be over-taken by outside gangs. Ironically it is the Chicago gangs who have successfully penetrated and influenced coastal gang culture as evidenced by the Black P Stone Blood set from "the jungles" that has thousands of members in LA. New York's largest gang is the Latin Kings...... G.D.'s, Vice Lords and Stones dominate Midwestern and Southern cities. They are multi-regional in the tens of thousands from Milwaukee to Memphis to Atlanta from Charlotte to Birmingham. I know it is a little known fact due to the media and the 1990's glorification of L.A. gang life but it is estimated that LA has 70,000-80,000 active gang members within the city while Chicago has an estimated, 120,000-150,000. Newly created Chicago-based gangs have formed organically and risen to power like the "New Breeds" from "Little Village" despite the overwhelming odds but no gang is going to come to Chicago and win a turf war to establish themselves in a hostile take-over. This is a well verified truth as it has never happened in 80 years of organized street gangs. The Kings can't even push the MLD's out of Humboldt Park with a 5 to 1 advantage in members. Ms-13 wouldn't even register on the radar.
Anyways, Chicago's gangs run on an entirely different power structure with an entirely different history and culture. There is no "red vs. blue" or "north vs. south" or "Hispanic vs. Black" wars. For instance, one of the most peaceful and formidable alliances in Chicago is the Black P Stones and the Latin Kings. Vice Lords and Kings have had relationships as well as Maniac Latin Disciples and G.D.s.......What is deadly in Chicago is wearing your hat to either the left or right side in the wrong neighborhood. Nobody is looking for what color people are wearing. Sure, gangs have preferred colors to identify with but G.D.'s will wear all red, blue, green or yellow and Vice Lords whose colors are traditionally black and gold will wear blue or red too. It is a matter of symbols like Crowns, Pyramids, 5 and 6 pointed stars, Canes, Forks (Rakes), 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 Bunny Ears and other major symbols that identify someone is aligned with either the Folk or People Nation's. Colors traditionally play no part in attacks or feuds.
Today, the gangster scene is all crazy in Chicago and the "shotcallers" are all mostly in prison or dead which leaves disorganized youth killing anything that moves. Hispanic gangs are not moving in on black gangs causing a war and spiking numbers. As always, the Hispanic gang-related homicides in Chicago is only a tiny fraction of black on black homicides.
Black Disciples now war with GD's who used to be allies while Black P Stones and many G.D.s now function in peace. Some Black Disciple sets have flipped to the 5 (
People Nation, BD-5's) and kill
'BD Folks' and vice-versa. There are countless Vice-Lord sets from block to block that all war with one another as well as traditional foes like G.D's and B.D.'s. There are neighborhoods where Mickey Cobras and GD's joined together when they are still deadly rivals just a few blocks over.
I'm sorry but the "WestCoast-ization" of Chicago's gang culture is fundamentally flawed and Hollywood and other media has falsely portrayed LA gangs as conquering the entire country and murdering everyone in their wake as they spread with little resistance to every major city. Chicago always has been very, very different to L.A's gang scene and what is transpiring in the streets in unique to Chicago as it is Chicago's idiosyncrasies leading to these devastating totals. They aren't killing over drug corners and red or blue rags or tagging up the wrong building. It is the wild west period and Chicago's unique history has created this phenomena. The paper you read is trying to explain it through a West Coast prism which is patently false. The gangs becoming clicks without leadership is the biggest contributing factor. Another component is tearing down the public housing which used to keep the different gangs isolated now puts them at arm's length from one another. The decentralization was crucial.
Without getting too specific, where Chicago gangs historically controlled entire districts, project developments and neighborhoods with notable and charismatic leaders and had military level chains of command and operated as large money-making entities with traditional allies and rivals in place and respected boundaries we now see examples like the Black P Stones fracturing into many different micro-sets that may control only one or two blocks with 20 members or so while a rival "Stones" group controls their own one or two block radius and the former allies will now shoot at each other on site. This has also happened within G.D.'s, Vice Lords, Black Disciples, Latin Kings and every other major gang. There are also crossover clicks like "No Limit Muskegon Boys" which is a combination of "No Limit Black Stones" and G.D.'s that banded together in common interest to fight off other unlikely rivals who joined forces.
It is literally chaos on the streets of Chicago and a Facebook post may lead to gangs splintering, switching allegiances and ending in a weekend with 12 homicides. Chicago however is still strictly segregated and Englewood, Austin, Roseland, the Low End, Humboldt Park etc. still consists of the same racial make-ups they have for decades without any intrusions from opposing ethnic gangs infringing upon their turf. Hispanic gangs are not growing and expanding into black areas of the city or the other way around. It is mostly kids between 13-19 that are more dangerous than any generation before them without any regard for human life and lacking the discipline or leadership of the previous factions. Even the successful rappers with huge social media followings in the city are loyal to their gang/click and are killing people and being gunned down routinely. The rap scene in Chicago called Drill Music literally inspires people to kill to earn more status to blow up like Chief Keef who moved to L.A. to get the hell out of the war-zone himself.
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