Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[Overground]

See below link from a Daily Hive article from a couple of years ago on the subject of double deckers.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/03/double-decker-buses-feasible-vancouvers-public-transit-system/

[DKaz]

Make the entire bottom floor priority seating only. Able bodied passengers wanting a seat can go upstairs.

[SFUVancouver]

Few things would make me more anxious than being stuck in a window seat, in the middle of the upper floor of a packed-to-the-gills double-decker bus in winter during the evening rush hour, in the rain. I don't think that you could conceive of a more miserable scenario for me.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Few things would make me more anxious than being stuck in a window seat, in the middle of the upper floor of a packed-to-the-gills double-decker bus in winter during the evening rush hour, in the rain. I don't think that you could conceive of a more miserable scenario for me.

Bingo. Don't forget the intolerable levels of humidity that would be even worse on the upper floor.

[ilikeredheads]

Standees are not allowed on the upper floor, so getting "stuck" is not really possible. It'll be less crowded than the bottom floor.

So many people jumping to conclusions when they've clearly not ridden in a doubledecker.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Standees are not allowed on the upper floor, so getting "stuck" is not really possible. It'll be less crowded than the bottom floor.

So many people jumping to conclusions when they've clearly not ridden in a doubledecker.

Good luck with that.

Just the same as i always see young able bodied people sitting in the seating that's reserved for seniors and disabled people and pretend like they don't see them when they get on or not standing in the doorway when the door is trying to close.

Rules and signage are not magic. I promise you people will stand on the upper deck and will say they didn't know even though there are posted signs.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Good luck with that.

Just the same as i always see young able bodied people sitting in the seating that's reserved for seniors and disabled people and pretend like they don't see them when they get on or not standing in the doorway when the door is trying to close.

Rules and signage are not magic. I promise you people will stand on the upper deck and will say they didn't know even though there are posted signs.

Well if the bus doesn't move when there are people standing upstairs then I guess mob mentality will enforce it.

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Good luck with that.

Just the same as i always see young able bodied people sitting in the seating that's reserved for seniors and disabled people and pretend like they don't see them when they get on or not standing in the doorway when the door is trying to close.

Rules and signage are not magic. I promise you people will stand on the upper deck and will say they didn't know even though there are posted signs.

Have you been on a doubledecker before? because it sounds like you haven't and you are only assuming things. I have lived in HK for over 5 years and I can tell you from experience that these concerns are non-issues.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Good luck with that.

Just the same as i always see young able bodied people sitting in the seating that's reserved for seniors and disabled people and pretend like they don't see them when they get on or not standing in the doorway when the door is trying to close.

Rules and signage are not magic. I promise you people will stand on the upper deck and will say they didn't know even though there are posted signs.

If you saw me I bet you'd think I wasn't disabled. Yet I have the card and there are times I'm dying to sit down, even if it's only for a few minutes. I mostly get around this by travelling outside of rush hour (I have a choice, so I ride when it's quieter). You can't always judge a book by it's cover.

People almost never read signs. Way back when I used to do concession at BC Place. There were signs everywhere (including in food stands that sold alcohol) that said (in nicer language) mandatory ID for alcohol - *every single event* someone would go into shock over this. I'm surprised we didn't start making bets on how long into a shift before we heard "Don't you think I look old enough?"

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Sheba

People almost never read signs. Way back when I used to do concession at BC Place. There were signs everywhere (including in food stands that sold alcohol) that said (in nicer language) mandatory ID for alcohol - *every single event* someone would go into shock over this. I'm surprised we didn't start making bets on how long into a shift before we heard "Don't you think I look old enough?"

Just add a sign saying if they don't show ID the beer costs $5 more.

[Alpine]

I have a question about advertising on buses.

Back when 40 foot BTC buses exclusively served Burnaby routes (plus the 26-29), I noticed that they didn't have the same type of ads that were present on buses from other garages.

BTC coaches often had ads for local Burnaby/New West businesses (The Heights BIA, Hart House Restaurant, Burnaby realtors like Lola Oduwole, Queensborough Landing, J-Von Medical Centre)

Coaches from the Vancouver, Poco, Richmond and Surrey garages often had "big-ticket" advertising (RBC, Interac Flash, blockbuster movies, Advent Rental Management, Koodo, Chatr, FortisBC, Suncom, Nu S tream Realty, Shaw, CTV News, Alpine Credits). These kinds of ads also showed up on 60 foot BTC coaches.

With the opening of HTC (that is also responsible for commuter routes like the 100, 410 and 430, as well as some Poco routes like the 101 and 155), and the move of North Van routes to BTC, how is that going to affect advertising on coaches?

Will HTC coaches now have a mix of local Burnaby/New West advertising, and "big-ticket" ads seen on buses assigned to VTC/RTC/STC? For instance, maybe a coach could have an ad for the Arts Club production of Mary Poppins on the left broadside, an ad for J-Von Clinic (this one; sorry the angle isn't fabulous) on the right side, and an ad for Nu Stream Realty (604-899-9999) on the back.

And what of the Nova diesels at BTC? (So far as I can tell, the 40 foot fleet is made up of the 79 07 Novas, and the 66 08 Novas from the now closed NVTC.) Will they have a mix of Burnaby/New West and North Shore targeted advertising? (In this example: Kensington Square ad on the left, Edith Chan ad on the right, and maybe an ad for another North Shore realtor at the rear.)

I managed to dig up a price list for CMBC advertising that also shows that the campaign period for bus products is four weeks. A 30"x139" ad (think RBC, "96.9 Jack FM Mystery Mixtape", movie ads) is $772. A 21"x70" ad (the mini LG 104.3 ads, the side Suncom ads) is $450, with volume discounts starting at the 50 gross rating points level (GRP is an advertising industry term that attempts to quantify the reach/impact of an ad campaign); for "Seventies" ads in the Vancouver market this starts at 183 units for ~$78,000 (or $427/unit, for a savings of $4,200). I assume that Vancouver rates are consistent no matter which bus barn you choose: whether it be VTC, BTC, HTC, RTC, PTC, etc.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Just add a sign saying if they don't show ID the beer costs $5 more.

They'd have to see that sign too - and then they'd really freak out (prices were already crazy).

During football games RCMP would do random spot checks and one time they caught a guy in his 60s with a beer and no ID. I don't know how much fuss they made right then (other than they weren't quiet about it) but everyone working there was warned off about it - no ID, no alcohol, no matter how old the person looks.

So yeah, I learned a long time ago that the human race failed sign reading 101

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Sheba

They'd have to see that sign too - and then they'd really freak out (prices were already crazy).

During football games RCMP would do random spot checks and one time they caught a guy in his 60s with a beer and no ID. I don't know how much fuss they made right then (other than they weren't quiet about it) but everyone working there was warned off about it - no ID, no alcohol, no matter how old the person looks.

So yeah, I learned a long time ago that the human race failed sign reading 101

West Coast Express sign



https://www.pinterest.com/pin/106397609921593443/

[MIPS]

I've always wondered why all the signage on the WCE paltform is hilarious to read but the SkyTrain is always serious business.

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I've always wondered why all the signage on the WCE paltform is hilarious to read but the SkyTrain is always serious business.

Probably one middle manager without a sense of humour sitting in the path of approval.

[nname]

TransLink had posted a list of bus route changes effective Dec 9:

http://www.translink.ca/en/Schedules-and-Maps/Transit-Service-Changes.aspx

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by nname

TransLink had posted a list of bus route changes effective Dec 9:

http://www.translink.ca/en/Schedules-and-Maps/Transit-Service-Changes.aspx

A far cry from what was proposed 2 years ago. Wasn't the 701 supposed to rapid bus service, every 10 min instead of the every 15 min I'm seeing?

Most glaring omission is the Coquitlam-Guildford/Surrey connection.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

A far cry from what was proposed 2 years ago. Wasn't the 701 supposed to rapid bus service, every 10 min instead of the every 15 min I'm seeing?

Most glaring omission is the Coquitlam-Guildford/Surrey connection.

The Lougheed B-Line is not part of the December 19th changes. It's part of the new ten year plan though. The 701 would remain to service the local stops.
http://tenyearvision.translink.ca/plan/maple-ridge-pitt-meadows.aspx

[Bcasey25raptor]

bus c23 and c21 is being discontinued and replaced by a new c23 route which travels along beach avenue.

I'm pleased with this change.

[AverageJoe]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

bus c23 and c21 is being discontinued and replaced by a new c23 route which travels along beach avenue.

I'm pleased with this change.

So am I. I hope this means it is being replaced by conventional buses. It didn't say so specifically.