Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by Geof

If the region could have planned and run the campaign on their own, on their own timetable, knowing in advance that they had the power to set the question and conduct it as they saw fit, they would have had the chance to be competent. They never had that chance. Of course they (we) lost.

The province had to approve it because the Mayors were not vague enough. Over-promising if you will. They could have had "and a free bike for everyone" and the BC government would have made them take that out because they didn't specify a keychain ornament, mountainbike, moped or a motorcycle. It has to be specific enough when it comes to what, but vague enough that they can walk back anything (eg like technology choices, number of routes, number of stops/stations, alignment) that was promoted by by the Mayors but infeasible, poor or negative business case, constantly changing costs, and so forth which is why "Rapid Transit" and not "Light Rail" or "Subway" was in it.

(Images are on https://pricetags.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/referendum-update-question-and-response/ )
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I feel it was actually winnable too, but like the US election, polls were wrong, again. Why did people vote to cut off their nose? Probably because Jordan Bateman did exactly the same thing Trump did, appealed to the populist notion that Translink is somehow wasteful, even though it wasn't.

What have we learned in the last 10 years? If you want something to go your way, you have to appeal to the populist sentiment. If Translink had promoted Skytrain and Bus service extensions in every region, I'm sure it would have succeeded. But instead only Vancouver was getting the Subway, so SouthOfFraser voted against it. Only Surrey was getting Light Rail, so North of Fraser voted against it along with those who know it's a bad project, Tsawwassen, Delta, Coquitlam and Poco were getting nothing so they voted it down. At least Two mayors threw cold water on it. Hell I'm pretty sure if the SFU gondola was in it, that might have just nudged it towards enough support to pass, but Burnaby was getting nothing otherwise, Burnaby already has the Skytrain running through it.


Every area needed something, and it fell short. It also needed the full support of all the Mayors, which it didn't get. It needed support of the Province (eg Both Christy Clark and whoever leads the NDP) and didn't get it from either, though the NDP's Transportation critic at least supported it.

The CTF astroturfing was the lead weight that sunk it, because the Media was more than happy to have Bateman on day after day. He claims he didn't spend very much money, but the amount of free publicity that Global, CTV, CKNW, and all the papers gave him was worth far more money than the amount spent by the Mayors on advertising.

Here's some things that a future Transit referendum would need need to succeed:

- Instead of reacting to Bateman's BS, ignore him and just state the facts that prove him wrong in the process
- Get people who are transit enthusiasts from each region interviews in the Media
- Make sure that people know that these projects are good for them, even if they don't plan on using it.
- Have all the mayors campaign in their own community in support of it. If someone isn't on board (Mayor Corrigan only cares about pipelines, nothing else) find someone else from the city council that is and keep the Mayor from answering questions about it.
- Get the leadership from both major BC parties to endorse it.

There were multiple reasons why it failed, but primarily the message in the Media was "Translink — and wastes your money" and nobody was saying anything at all to prove otherwise.

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Signage at Hastings and Holdom:

[Express691]

Seems like everything is leaking out left right and center. With that being said,

A few tidbits and hints for the bus integration:

-They appear on the site on November 28

-They can already be accessed thru the method above

"December Service Changes effective December 19, 2016 including Evergreen Bus intergration.

C1 Hastings/Gilmore/Kootenay Loop
•Relocate the Bay 1 terminus for the C1 from inside Kootenay Loop (58041 - cancelled) to outside
Kootenay Loop (59889 - new)
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
From Kootenay Loop (Bay 1 - 59889) via Kootenay St, Franklin St, Boundary Rd, McGill St, Esmond Ave, Eton
St, Willingdon Ave, Hastings St, MacDonald Ave to Albert St.
From MacDonald Ave and Albert St – MacDonald Ave at Albert St via MacDonald Ave, Albert St, Gilmore Ave,
Hastings St, Willingdon Ave, Eton St, Esmond Ave, McGill St, Boundary Rd, Trinity St, Boundary Rd, Hastings
St to terminus on Kootenay St.

C21 Yaletown/Beach 
Discontinue C21 service at all times on all days. 
Discontinuation of the C21 service is due to changes in route pattern to the #005/#006 routes, as well as the introduction of the #023 route. The #023 route will continue to serve Beach Ave and Yaletown Roundhouse-Station.

C23 Yaletown/Davie/Main St. Station 
Discontinue C23 service at all times on all days. 
Discontinuation of the #C23 service is due to the extension of the #005/#006 routes, as well as the introduction of the #023 route.

5 Robson/Downtown
With the installation of new trolley lines along Cambie Street between Pacific and Pender the 005 can be
extended along Pender Street and to Pender/Cambie where it will meet the 006. This will provide a key
connection between Davie Street, Burrard, and Gastown.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
005 Downtown: Regular route to Pender at Granville and continue Pender to R/Cambie, to new
terminus at Cambie and Dunsmuir (Terminates at stop 50081)
005 Robson: Start Cambie at Dunsmuir (at stop 60302) and continue NB along Cambie to L/ Pender,
and continue Pender to Regular Route

6 Davie/Downtown
With the installation of new trolley lines along Cambie Street between Pacific and Pender the 006 can be
extended along Davie Street and to Pender/Cambie where it will meet the 005. This will provide a key
connection between Davie Street, Yaletown-Roundhouse, and Gastown.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
006 Downtown: Regular route to Davie at Howe and continue Davie to L/ Pacific, L/Cambie, to new
terminus at Cambie and Dunsmuir (Terminates at stop 60302)
006 Davie: Start Cambie at Dunsmuir (at stop 50081) and continue SB along Cambie to R/ Pacific, R/
Davie, and continue Davie to terminus at Denman

23 Main Street Station/Yaletown/Beach
The new #023 route is a result of a larger re-design of service in the Downtown, and especially the West
End area. With the extension of the #006 to provide connections to Yaletown, Canada Line, and Cambie
St., this provided an opportunity to merge the C21 and C23 and create a new route serving Beach Ave,
Yaletown Roundhouse Station, Stadium Station, and Main St. Science World.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
EB - Start MORTON ST NS DENMAN R/DENMAN ST L/BEACH AV L/HOWE ST R/PACIFIC ST
C/PACIFIC BLVD L/PAT QUINN WAY R/KEEFER ST R/QUEBEC ST L/NATIONAL AV
R/STATION ST to NS TERMINAL AV
WB - Start SB STATION ST NS TERMINAL AV C/STATION ST R/TERMINAL AV R/QUEBEC ST
L/KEEFER ST L/ABBOTT R/EXPO BLVD C/PACIFIC BLVD L/HOWE ST R/BEACH AV
R/JERVIS ST L/BEACH AV R/MORTON TO TERMINUS MORTON NS DENMAN ST

95 B-Line [SFU/Burrard Station]
• Introduce new 95 B-Line to replace current 135 bus route. Route description same as the former 135. Stops are as specified in last year's surveys.

97B is discontinued

110 Metrotown leaves Lougheed from Bay 3

135 is discontinued

143 Burquitlam Station/SFU
•Portion between Central Station and Burquitlam Station replaced by revised
151 route operating along Como Lake Ave
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To SFU:
From Burquitlam Station Bay 4 [53122] via Clarke Rd, Como Lake Ave, Broadway, Gaglardi Way,
Transportation Centre, University Dr E, E Campus Rd to SFU Exchange
To Burquitlam Station:
From SFU Exchange Bay 4 [52998] via University High St, Tower Rd, South Campus Rd, Gaglardi Way,
Transportation Ctr, University Dr W, Gaglardi Way, Broadway, Como Lake Ave, Clarke Rd, access road to
Burquitlam Station

150 White Pine Beach / Coquitlam Central Station
•Depart from Bay 7 at Coq Ctrl Stn

((At this point, I should note that all Coquitlam Stn services are to rename to Coquitlam Central Station. My 169 this evening displayed "169 COQ CTRL STN"))

151 Coquitlam Central Station/Burquitlam Station
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the western portion of the
route to route directly via Como Lake Ave to Burquitlam Station
•The former routing via the Poirier Community Centre area will be provided by a revised 157
route.
•Meet first Evergreen Trains at Burquitlam Station and Coquitlam Central Station
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Coquitlam Central Station:
From Burquitlam Station Bay3 [59561] via access road, Clarke Rd, Como Lake Ave, Spuraway Ave, Ranch
Park Way, Norman Ave, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central
Station

153 Braid Station/Coquitlam Central Station
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, extend the 153 from Poirier
Community Centre to Coquitlam Central Station via Mariner Way
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Coquitlam Central Station:
From Braid Station Bay 5 [58085] via access road, Braid St, Brunette Ave, Laurentian Cres, Austin Ave,
Poirier St, Foster Ave, Linton St, Como Lake Ave, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam
Central Station
To Braid Station:
From Coquitlam Central Station Bay 11 [53887] via Lougheed Hwy, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Como
Lake Ave, Linton St, Foster Ave, Poirier St, Austin Ave, Laurentian Cres, Brunette Ave, access road to Braid
Station

156 Lougheed Station/Braid Station 
The current “156 Lougheed Station/Braid Station” will serve the new Burquitlam Station located near Clarke Rd and Como Lake Ave 
 ROUTE DESCRIPTION: 
From Lougheed Station Bay 9 [58433] via Gatineau Pl, North Rd, Clarke Rd, Burquitlam Station Bay 5 [59531], Como Lake Ave, then continuing via regular route to Braid Station 
From Braid Station Bay 5 [58085] via regular route to Como Lake Rd at Robinson St, then continuing via Como Lake Ave, Clarke Rd, Burquitlam Station Bay 6 [53209] North Rd, Austin Rd, Gatineau Pl to Lougheed Station

157 Lougheed Station/Burquitlam Station
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the northern portion of the 157
route to route beyond the Poirier Community Centre to the new Burquitlam Station
•This new service provides local service coverage to the Central Coquitlam area previously served
by the former 151 routing along Foster Ave and Cottonwood Ave.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Burquitlam Station:
From Lougheed Station Bay 5 [58439] via access road, Gatineau Pl, North Rd, Lougheed Hwy, Brunette Ave,
Lebleu St, Alderson Ave, Marmont St, Rochester Ave, Schoolhouse St, Winslow Ave, Poirier St, Foster Ave,
Blue Mountain St, Cottonwood Ave, Robinson St, Foster Ave, North Rd, Clarke Rd to Burquitlam Station
To Lougheed Station:
From Burquitlam Station Bay 2 [59557] via Clarke Rd, Como Lake Ave, Farrow St, Smith Ave, Clarke Rd, North
Rd, Foster Ave, Robinson St, Cottonwood Ave, Blue Mountain St, Foster Ave, Poirier St, Winslow Ave,
Schoolhouse St, Rochester Ave, Marmont St, Alderson Ave, Lebleu St, Brunette Ave, Lougheed Hwy, North
Rd, Gatineau Pl, access road to Lougheed Station.

159 Port Coquitlam Station/Braid Station 

 All Days 
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise all trips via Pitt River Road. 
• The former routing via the Meridian Industrial area will be provided by the new 175 (current C40). 
 ROUTE DESCRIPTION: 
To Port Coquitlam Station: 
From Braid Station Bay 4 [58084] via access road, Braid St, Brunette Ave, Lougheed Hwy, King Edward St, United Blvd, Brigantine Dr, Hartley Ave, Schooner St, United Blvd, Shuswap Ave, N Bend St, Canoe Ave, Golden Dr, United Blvd, Mary Hill Bypass, Shaughnessy St, Citadel Dr, Pitt River Rd, Mary Hill Rd, Wilson Ave, Shaughnessy St, McAllister Ave, Mary Hill Rd, Wilson Ave to Port Coquitlam Station 
To Braid Station: 
From Port Coquitlam Station Bay 4 [53740] via Wilson Ave, Mary Hill Rd, McAllister Ave, Shaughnessy St, Wilson Ave, Mary Hill Rd, Pitt River Rd, Citadel Dr, Shaughnessy St, Mary Hill Bypass, United Blvd, Shuswap Ave, N Bend St, Canoe Ave, Golden Dr, United Blvd, Schooner St, Hartley Ave, Brigantine Dr, United Blvd, King Edward St, Lougheed Hwy, Brunette Ave, access road to Braid Station

 160 Port Coquitlam Station/Kootenay Loop 
All Days 
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, discontinue the 160 route section from North Burnaby to Downtown 
• The former routing via the Barnet Hwy area in Coquitlam will be covered off by two new routes [184 and 185]. Proposed routes were referred to as “New B” in planning documents. 
• Meet first and last Evergreen Trains at Coquitlam Central Station 
• The revised route will stop at all bus stops for pick up and drop off providing local service between Port Coquitlam Station and Kootenay Loop 

PROJECT JUSTIFICATION: In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, similar to previous extensions of the SkyTrain network, discontinue service duplication to/from downtown Vancouver 
ROUTE DESCRIPTION: 
To Port Coquitlam Station: 
From Kootenay Loop [Bay 2 – 58042] then via Kootenay St, Hastings St, Inlet Dr, Barnet Hwy, St Johns St, Williams St, [Moody Centre Station – Bay 4 – 61912], Hugh St, St Johns St, [Inlet Centre Station], Ioco Rd, Ungless Way, Guildford Way, Pinetree Way, Lougheed Hwy, Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 5 – 53866] then via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy, Shaughnessy St, Wilson Ave to Port Coquitlam Station
To Kootenay Loop: 
From Port Coquitlam Station [Bay 3 – 53783] via Wilson Ave, Shaughnessy St, Lougheed Hwy, Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 12 – 53730] then via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Pinetree Way, Guildford Way, Ungless Way, Ioco Rd, St Johns St, [Inlet Centre Station], Williams St, [Moody Centre Station – Bay 5 - 61892], Hugh St, St Johns St, Barnet Hwy, Inlet Dr, Hastings St to Kootenay Loop

169 Braid Station/Coquitlam Central Station
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, reroute all 169 trips via the Riverview
Hospital grounds
•Rename the former “169 Braid Station/Coquitlam Station” to “169 Braid Station/Coquitlam
Central Station”
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Coquitlam Station:
From Braid Station Bay 2 [58082] via access road, Braid St, Brunette Ave, Lougheed Hwy, Colony Farm Rd,
Cape Horn Ave, Holly Dr, Orchid Dr, Lougheed Hwy, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed
Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station
To Braid Station:
From Coquitlam Central Station Bay 11 [53887] via Lougheed Hwy, Holly Dr, Cape Horn Ave, Colony Farm Rd,
Lougheed Hwy, Brunette Ave to Braid Station
-Service Frequency decrease from every 15 minutes to every 30 minutes all day

170 Pt Coquitlam Station/Pt Coquitlam South
All Days
•Same as the current C36 and departs from Bay 6 at PoCo Stn

171 Fremont/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C37 (now 171 and 172)
route to provide new service to the Dominion Triangle development (Fremont Village)
• Meet first and last Evergreen Trains at Coquitlam Central Station
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
Coquitlam Central Station to Fremont:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 4 – 53035] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy,
Sherling Ave, Fremont Connector, Dominion Ave to FS Fremont Connector [59961] (cont. as a 172 Coquitlam
Central Station]
Fremont to Coquitlam Central Station:
From Fremont Connector FS Dominion Ave [59971] via Fremont Connector, Sherling Ave, Lougheed Hwy to
Coquitlam Central Station (note: route begins as a 172 Riverside]

172 Riverside/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C37 (now 171 and 172)
route to provide new service to the Dominion Triangle development (Fremont Village)
• Meet first and last Evergreen Trains at Coquitlam Central Station
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
Coquitlam Central Station to Riverside:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 4 – 53035] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy,
Shaughnessy St, Lincoln Ave, Oxford St, Prairie Ave, Fremont St, Riverside Dr, Ottawa St, Dominion Ave,
Fremont Connector to FS Dominion Ave [59971] (cont. as a 171 Coquitlam Central Station]
Riverside to Coquitlam Central Station:
From Dominion Ave FS Fremont Connector [59961] via Dominion Ave, Ottawa St, Riverside Dr, Fremont St,
Prairie Ave, Oxford St, Lincoln Ave, Shaughnessy St, Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station (note: route
began as a 171 Fremont)

173 Cedar/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C38 (now 173 and 174)
route to improve service coverage in the neighbourhood south of Prairie Ave and west of Coast
Meridian.
•All trips connect to/from Coquitlam Central Station in all directions
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
Coquitlam Central Station (via Port Coquitlam Station) to Cedar:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 4 – 53035] via Lougheed Hwy, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Westwood St,
Kingsway Ave, Maple St, McAllister Ave, Mary Hill Rd, Wilson Ave, access road to Pt Coquitlam Station
[Bay 5 – 53767], then via access road, Wilson Ave, Shaughnessy St, Lions Way, Shaughnessy Station Mall
roadways, Oxford Connector, Oxford St, Coquitlam Ave, Coast Meridian Rd, Prairie Ave, Cedar Dr, Victoria
Dr to Rocklin St [53845] (cont. as a 174 Coquitlam Central Station)
Cedar to Coquitlam Central Station (via Port Coquitlam Station):
From Victoria Dr near Rocklin St [53808] via Victoria Dr, Cedar Dr, Prairie Ave, Coast Meridian Rd, Coquitlam
Ave, Oxford St, Oxford Connector, Shaughnessy Station Mall roadways, Lions Way, Shaughnessy St, Wilson
Ave, access road to Pt Coquitlam Station [Bay 1 – 53777], then via access road, Wilson Ave, Mary Hil Rd,
McAllister Ave, Maple St, Kingsway Ave, Westwood St, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy,
Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station (note: route began as a 174 Rocklin)

174 Rocklin/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C38 (now 173 and 174)
route to improve service coverage in the neighbourhood south of Prairie Ave and west of Coast
Meridian.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
Coquitlam Central Station to Rocklin:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 4 – 53035] via Lougheed Hwy, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Westwood St,
Kingsway Ave, Maple St, McAllister Ave, Mary Hill Rd, Wilson Ave, access road to Pt Coquitlam Station [Bay 5 -
53767], then via access road, Wilson Ave. Shaughnessy St, David Ave, Oxford St, Mason Ave, Wellington St,
Greenmount Ave, Coast Meridian Rd, Victoria Dr near Rocklin St [53808] (cont. as a 173 Coquitlam Central
Station via Pt Coquitlam Station)
Rocklin to Coquitlam Central Station:
From Victoria Dr NS Rocklin St [53845] via Victoria Dr, Coast Meridian Rd, Greenmount Ave, Wellington St,
Mason Ave, Oxford St, David Ave, Shaughnessy St, Wilson Ave, access road to Pt Coquitlam Station [Bay 1 –
53777], then via access road, Wilson Ave, Mary Hill Rd, McAllister Ave, Maple St, Kingsway Ave, Westwood St,
Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station (note: route
began as a 173 Cedar)

175 Meridian/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
•In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, extend the C40 (now 175) from Port
Coquitlam Station to Coquitlam Central Station to provide a direct connection to SkyTrain (peak
only)
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Meridian (peak only):
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 7 – 53170] via Lougheed Hwy, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Westwood St,
Kingsway Ave, Maple St, McAllister Ave, Mary Hill Rd, Wilson Ave, access road to Port Coquitlam Station [Bay
5 – 53767], continuing from Port Coquitlam Station via access road, Kingsway Ave, Broadway St, Kebet Way
at Mustang Pl
To Coquitlam Station (peak only):
From Kebet Way at Mustang Pl, then via Kebet Way, Kingsway Ave, access road to Port Coquitlam Station
[Bay 1 – 53777], continuing from Port Coquitlam Station via access road, Wilson Ave, Mary Hill Rd, McAllister
Ave, Maple St, Kingsway Ave, Westwood St, Dewdney Trunk Rd, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy to
Coquitlam Central Station

178 Port Moody Station/Coquitlam Station 
All Days
• 178 route to be discontinued.

179 Buntzen Lake/Coquitlam Central Station
(route number and name change)
All Days
-New numbering of what was the C26 Buntzen Lake Special, and will use bay 7 at Coquitlam Station
 
180 Moody Centre Station/Lougheed Station
All Days
• Renumber the former “C24 Port Moody Station/Lougheed Station” to “180 Moody Centre
Station/Lougheed Station
• All non-peak trips on all days (MF, Sat and Sun/hol) will continue to be operated as Community shuttle
• Meet first Evergreen Trains at Burquitlam Station and Moody Centre Station M-F
• Convert all Mon-Fri peak trips to Conventional bus trips
ROUTE DESCRIPTION: No change. Bus will use Bay 6 [61891] at Moody Centre Station. Bus will serve
Burquitlam Station on street on Clarke Rd – Bay 5 [59531] NB and Bay 6 [53209] SB. No bay change at
Lougheed Station.

181 Moody Centre Station/Ioco
All Days
•Renumber and rename the former “C25 Port Moody Station /Ioco” to “181 Moody Centre
Station/Ioco”
ROUTE DESCRIPTION: No change. Bus will use Bay 7 [61890] at Moody Centre Station

182 Moody Centre Station/Belcarra
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the former C26 route (now
182) to route ALL trips via Ravine Dr. Direct 182 routing via Heritage Mountain Blvd between
Turner Creek Dr and Ravine Dr which currently operates off peak only, will be discontinued.
• Renumber and rename “C26 Port Moody Stn/Belcarra” to “182 Moody Centre Stn/Belcarra”
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Belcarra:
From Moody Centre Stn [Bay 8 – 61889] via Hugh St, St Johns St, Moody St, Moody St overpass, Murray St,
Ioco Rd, Heritage Mountain Blvd, Ravine Dr, Turner Creek Dr, Heritage Mountain Blvd, David Ave, Forest
Park Way, Aspenwood Dr, East Rd, [then some trips to Anmore Grocery Store and back to East Rd via
Sunnyside Rd], Sunnyside Rd, Bedwell Bay Rd, Midden Rd, Belcarra Bay Rd to Whiskey Cove Ln.
To Moody Centre Station:
From Belcarra Bay Rd at Whiskey Cove Ln via Belcarra Bay Rd, Midden Rd, Bedwell Bay Rd, Sunnyside Rd,
[then some trips to Anmore Grocery Store and back to East Rd via Sunnyside Rd], East Rd, Aspenwood Dr,
Forest Park Way, David Ave, Heritage Mountain Blvd, Turner Creek Dr, Ravine Dr, Heritage Mountain Blvd,
Ioco Rd, Murray St, Moody St overpass, Moody St, Spring St, Williams St to Moody Centre Stn

183 Moody Centre Station/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the former C27 (now 183)
route to route via Pinetree Way. Routing via Lansdowne Dr and Guildford Way discontinued.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Coquitlam Central Station:
From Moody Centre Stn [Bay 3 – 61911] via Hugh St, St Johns St, [Inlet Centre Station], Ioco Rd, Heritage
Mountain Blvd, David Ave, Forest Park Way, Panorama Dr, Johnson St, Robson Dr, Pinetree Way, [Lafarge
Lake-Douglas Stn], [Lincoln Stn], Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station
To Moody Station:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 8 – 53495] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Pinetree
Way, [Lincoln Station], [Lafarge Lake-Douglas Station], Robson Dr, Johnson St, Panorama Dr, Forest Park
Way, David Ave, Heritage Mountain Blvd, Ioco Rd, St Johns St, [Inlet Centre Station], Williams St to
Moody Centre Station

184 Moody Centre Station/Noons Creek
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C28 (now 184) route to
route via Barnet Hwy and Noons Creek Dr to Panorama Dr.
• From there, continue via Lansdowne Dr and Barnet Hwy to Coquitlam Station as a “185
Coquitlam Station/Lansdowne” route
• The former routing via Panorama Dr, Johnson St, Robson Dr, Pipeline Rd, David Ave, Pinetree
Way to Coquitlam Station discontinued. To be served by new 183 and 186 routes.
• Proposed route was referred to a “New B” in planning documents.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Noons Creek:
From Moody Centre Station [Bay 7 – 61890] via Hugh St, St Johns St, [Inlet Centre Station], Barnet Hwy
frontage road, Barnet Hwy, Falcon Dr, Noons Creek Dr, Panorama Dr, Lansdowne Dr to terminus FS
Panorama Dr [53903] (cont. as “185 Coquitlam Central Stn” via Lansdowne Dr)
To Moody Centre Station:
From Panorama Dr FS Landowne [58869] via Panorama Dr, Noons Creek Dr, Falcon Dr, Barnet Hwy, St Johns
St, [Inlet Centre Station], Williams St to Moody Centre Stn (Note: route begins as a “185 Lansdowne”)

185 Lansdowne/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise the C28 (now 185) route to
route via Lansdowne Dr.
• From there, continue via Noons Creek Dr and Barnet Hwy to Moody Centre Station as a “184
Moody Centre Station/Noons Creek” route
• The former routing via Panorama Dr, Johnson St, Plateau Blvd, Pinetree Way, Robson Dr,
Pipeline Rd, David Ave, Pinetree Way to Coquitlam Central Station discontinued. To be served by
new 183 and 186 routes.
• Proposed route was referred to as “New B” in planning documents.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Landowne:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 1 – 53299] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lansdowne Dr,
Panorama Dr to terminus FS Landowne Dr [58869] (cont. as “184 Moody Ctr Station” via Noons Creek Dr)
To Coquitlam Station:
From Lansdowne Dr FS Panorama Dr [53903] via Lansdowne Dr, Barnet Hwy, Mariner Way, access road
under Mariner Way overpass to Coquitlam Central Station (Note: route begins as a “184 Noons Creek”)

186 Hampton Park/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• In conjunction with the opening of the SkyTrain extension, revise a portion of the C28 (now 186)
route into a separate route serving Upper Westwood Plateau
• Proposed route was referred to a “New C” in planning documents.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Upper Westwood Plateau:
From Coquitlam Central Station [Bay 2 – 57570] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Pinetree Way,
[Lincoln Station], [Lafarge Lake-Douglas Station], David Ave, Pipeline Rd, Robson Dr, Pinetree Way, Paddock
Dr to terminus on Paddock Dr at Plateau Blvd [58850]
To Coquitlam Station:
From Upper Westwood Plateau on Paddock Dr at Plateau Blvd [58850] via Paddock Dr, Plateau Blvd, Pinetree
Way, Robson Dr, Pipeline Rd, David Ave, Pinetree Way, [Lafarge Lake-Douglas Station], [Lincoln Station],
Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Central Station

187 Parkway/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
•Meet first Evergreen Trains at Coquitlam Central Station - former C29 route (now 187)
•Renumber and rename the former “C29 Coquitlam Station/Parkway Blvd” to “187 Coquitlam
Central Station/Parkway”
ROUTE DESCRIPTION: No change. Bus will use Bay 1 [53299 at Coquitlam Central Station.

188 Pt Coquitlam Station/Coquitlam Central Station 
All Days
• Convert all off-peak Community Shuttle trips to Conventional bus trips 
• Meet first and last Evergreen Trains at Coquitlam Central Station 
• Rename the former “188 Pt Coquitlam Station/Coquitlam Station” to “188 Pt Coquitlam Station/ Coquitlam Central Station” 
 ROUTE DESCRIPTION: No change. Bus will use Bay 4 [53740] at Pt Coquitlam Station. Bus will use Bay 3 [53021] at Coquitlam Central Station.

189 Lafarge Park/Coquitlam Central Station
All Days
• Renumber and rename the former “C30 Coquitlam Station/Lafarge Park” to “189 Coquitlam
Central Station/Lafarge Park”
• Minor reroute via Lincoln Ave (instead of Glen Dr) between Westwood St and Pipeline Rd
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
From Coquitlam Station [Bay 2 – 57570] via access road, Mariner Way, Barnet Hwy, Lougheed Hwy,
Westwood St, Lincoln Ave, Pipeline Rd, Dunkirk Ave, Gabriola Dr to Harwood Ave
From Harwood Ave at Gabriola Dr via Harwood Ave, Nestor St, Dunkirk Ave, Pipeline Rd, Lincoln Ave,
Westwood St, Lougheed Hwy to Coquitlam Station

190 is discontinued

191 Princeton (Burke Mountain)/Coquitlam Central Station
VEHICLE TYPE: Conventional 40'
All Days
• New route connecting Coquitlam Central Station with Burke Mountain (Princeton Ave at Galloway
Ave)
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
From Coquitlam Station [Bay 2 – 57570] via access road, Mariner Way, Johnson St, Glen Dr, Pinetree Way
David Ave, Princeton Ave to FS David Ave [60056]
From Princeton Ave FS David Ave [60056] via Princeton Ave, Coast Meridian Rd, David Ave, Pinetree Way,
Glen Dr, Johnson St, Mariner Way, access road under Mariner Way overpass to Coquitlam Central Station

((This next one on the 595 should have been implemented in September.))

595 Langley Centre/Maple Meadows Stn 
All Days
• The 595 will no longer be an express bus and will use all local stops 
• Include the 595 Maple Meadows on stops 57028 and 57048 
• Include the 595 Langley Centre on stops 61487 and 50726 

701 Coquitlam Central Stn/Mission City Stn [Train Bus]
701 Coquitlam Central Stn/Haney Place/Maple Ridge East
Monday-Friday
•With the discontinuation of the WCE TrainBus, extend selected 701 trips to/from Mission to be
consistent with the WCE TrainBus today
•The new service will provide new two way service (not one way)
Note: the 701 will not serve Port Coquitlam Station or Port Haney Station.
ROUTE DESCRIPTION:
To Mission City Station:
From Coquitlam Central Station Bay 6 [53161] via regular route to Haney Place. From Haney Place via Edge
St, Dewdney Trunk Rd, 228 St, Lougheed Hwy, N Railway Ave to Mission Station
To Coquitlam Station:
From Mission Station [60979] via N Railway Ave, Horne St, 1 Ave, Lougheed Hwy, 228 St, Dewdney Trunk Rd,
Edge St to Haney Place. From Haney Place via regular route to Coquitlam Central Station

WCE Train Bus 
to be discontinued. Neighbourhoods and surrounding communities will be served predominantly by new SkyTrain extension and revised 701 (extended to Mission City Station - for selected trips only). 

BUS BAY CHANGES, ASSIGNMENTS, REASSIGNMENTS ETC AS REQUIRED TO:

Port Haney Stn
Port Coquitlam Stn
Production Way Stn
Pitt Meadows Stn 
Moody Ctr Stn
Mission City Stn
Maple Meadows Stn
Lougheed Stn
Lincoln Stn
Lafarge Lake/Douglas Stn
Kootenay Loop
Holdom Stn
SFU Exchange
Haney Place
Granville Stn
Vancouver City Ctr Stn
Gilmore Stn (N9)
Coquitlam Central Stn
Commercial/Broadway Stn
Burrard Stn
Burquitlam Stn
Broadwaw/City Hall Stn
Brentwood Stn
Braid Stn

HOW TO ACCESS:
Use http://tripplanning.translink.ca/hiwire?.a=iHeadwaySheet&LineDirId=191950

Replace last 6 digits for the December Sheet: 297910 ~ 300530, 303190, 300550, 305830. Routes are in increments of 10. To change direction, change last digit to 1.

[GlassCity]

The 595 change is strange. I know that 208 Street badly needed service, but to reroute that bus and now to add stops to it seriously hampers a key regional connector. I guess they just don't have enough buses to create a new route from Langley Centre to Carvolth Exchange. I suppose it won't matter too much though once the 200 Street B-Line is introduced.

[nname]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

The 595 change is strange. I know that 208 Street badly needed service, but to reroute that bus and now to add stops to it seriously hampers a key regional connector. I guess they just don't have enough buses to create a new route from Langley Centre to Carvolth Exchange. I suppose it won't matter too much though once the 200 Street B-Line is introduced.

that would be far far in the future.. in fact, the 200th st B-Line is no longer in the 10 years plan. I guess they figured the corridor does not yet have demand for an express service. The ridership for 595 had been really low.. so low that a few of the cancelled routes actually have higher loads. Rather than cancelled it or turn it into a shuttle across Golden Ears Bridge, reroute it to a new area makes sense...

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by nname

that would be far far in the future.. in fact, the 200th st B-Line is no longer in the 10 years plan. I guess they figured the corridor does not yet have demand for an express service. The ridership for 595 had been really low.. so low that a few of the cancelled routes actually have higher loads. Rather than cancelled it or turn it into a shuttle across Golden Ears Bridge, reroute it to a new area makes sense...

Oh damn, I didn't realize it wasn't used very well. I guess I just assumed it would be given its direct route, its connections and all the development on 200 Street. Hopefully it'll do better now!

[AMTDGT]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

As it should be.

You have to ask yourself, who benefits the most for the relationship between Vancouver and the rest of the province.

Does funneling a majority of the tax money into the city improve the lives of rural residents and economy of the entire province? Not really. Does subsidizing the rest of the province do anything for Vancouver? Absolutely.

Does building a Skytrain line improve the lives of residents of Prince George? Not really. Does subsidizing highway expansion so a dam can be built do anything for Vancouver? Absolutely (we get electricities).

Even though 58% of the provincial GDP is generated in Metro Vancouver, the role the rest of the province plays in supporting the city's economy is immense. Vancouver wouldn't even exist if it did not get it's start by being the port through which the goods to and from the rest of the province and country traveled. Without provincial demand for products, the port would be pointless. As Vancouver grew, it became the focal point for offices managing the resource economy of the province. Without the government supporting expansion in the province, the backbone of Vancouver's economy wouldn't have existed.

Vancouver isn't the great city it is because of some self made manifest destiny. Vancouver is a great city because BC is a great province. And we can't upset that balance by robbing the hills to dress the rich. We have become richer and better off than the province, we can afford to tax ourselves more to pay for the things we need.

Love listening to people who actually know history

[jollyburger]

Not sure if this ever got posted but a conceptual rendering of the new Phibbs Exchange:



http://www.nsnews.com/news/district-of-n...elves-into-transportation-plan-1.2370177

[Millennium2002]

It's been posted a few times. Although the more I look at it the more it feels... basic. Of course, with TransLink's financial situation, I'm fine with this than not having an upgraded exchange at all. But ideally there should be more weather protection for connecting passengers. One can dream...

The other thing I just noticed is that the autumn leaves from the new trees will clog and stain things up really quickly...

[Klazu]

Yeah, congratulations to both Los Angeles and Seattle for their wise choises last week. LA's future rail map will look amazing.



What Seattle is now getting:

• Video Link

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Yeah, congratulations to both Los Angeles and Seattle for their wise choises last week. LA's future rail map will look amazing.

What Seattle is now getting:

• Video Link

For real, both those plans are absolutely transformational. I've been following them for a while and am very glad they got passed.

LA's especially is crazy. If it wasn't light-rail, that "after" map looks down right New Yorkian.

Aah...what could've been for us.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

LA's especially is crazy. If it wasn't light-rail, that "after" map looks down right New Yorkian.

Aah...what could've been for us.

If LA had bought into UTDC's dream back in the 80's I can only imagine what the network would look like now with these new proposed expansions.


Images courtesy of SCRTD

[Alex Mackinnon]

They really should consider LIMs on that black line though. The tunnel is going to be amazingly expensive at Sepulveda Pass, if they used a LIM based train on it the grade could be handled without a sweat on surface.

[Express691]

Did you know there was a Go Transit double decker bus in town last week?

https://flic.kr/p/N8dThu

[teriyaki]

Oh wow, was it here for a movie shoot?

[Express691]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Oh wow, was it here for a movie shoot?

I wish, but in reality there was a conference for the Canada Urban Transit Association at Canada Place. Last Tuesday was the day for the "show and shine" part of it.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskLtfdRL

[trofirhen]

I wonder if such double-decker busses would be useful in Vancouver; on certain routes, anyway. West Brooadway comes to mind right away, as part of the B-Line system.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I wonder if such double-decker busses would be useful in Vancouver; on certain routes, anyway. West Brooadway comes to mind right away, as part of the B-Line system.

They're considering it, and have specifically named B-Line and express routes.

[Gordon]

They would work for routes that require more capacity than a regular bus but not as much as an artic. double Decker100pax artic 120pax

[Migrant_Coconut]

Makes sense - same capacity as an articulated, but half the footprint.

That said, expect the NIMBYs to pop out of the woodwork and complain about them being "too tall" or some other garbage...