YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I refer back often to the AC Investor Day 2018 network opportunities map.

MEL, AKL, SIN, BKK, CTS, FRA, CDG are the remaining unserved YVR destinations from that map. All are plausible in my opinion.

Some more likely than others of course but not completely ridiculous.

YVR-DEL and YVR-DUB were both missing from that map so it doesn't tell the whole story.

now LGW was also not on the investors day list.

Good times for YVR wrt AC. It would be very interesting to see where AC will assign the last of its new dreamliners, as with where the final rouge planes will operate. And consolidation - what routes will have staying power? (i'm thinking of DEL and a possible year-round FRA) what rouge routes can be upgraded? (mainline/year-round KIX)

Originally Posted by zahav

As for Air Canada, they long ignored western canada too but seem to finally be starting to build up their YVR presence at least. Who knows if they will start announcing new YYC routes (i know, this has been discussed ad nausem on these threads...). But there is hope, YVR was not getting much new from them until last couple years either. Now, all changed. Just today they announced daily 787 service to Frankfurt (on top of Lufthansa's daily 747), and 3x weekly Rouge to Gatwick (the 3 flights are pulled from Toronto, who are going from daily down to 4 weekly, so one plane will do YVR 3x and YYZ 4x).

I suspect that YYC is in a catch-22. YYC is the primary hub for WS and already directs a lot of feed to it. AC would have build a lot of connecting traffic and go toe-to-toe with WS to get connecting pax for any new YYC intercontinental flights, which would be very costly. YYC would be more dependent on WS to build new international routes.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

I know this is going to sound like I'm whining (and I think it's because we've been pretty spoiled in the good news department lately!), but I'm a little disappointed we aren't getting new destinations, these routes are already served by multiple carriers. Still great news and awesome that Air Canada has that confidence in YVR and is deploying capacity on new routes, but I wish those planes could be used on routes to new cities. You know, make our destinations-served list even better :p

AC clearly has a strategy and they are following it to a T.

YUL-CMN
YUL-ALG
YUL-NCE
YUL-LYS
YUL-VCE
YUL-BCN
YUL-ATH
YYZ-ATH
YYZ-BCN
YYZ-VCE
YYZ-PRG
YYZ-BUD
YYZ-LGW
YYZ-MAN
YYZ-DUB
..
YVR-LGW

All these routes had a competing carrier operating it and weren't new destinations for the respective Canadian airports at time of launch.

[CareerShow]

It may be time for a new upgraded chart!

[nname]

From Transport Canada, both Beijing Capital and Interjet received license to operate scheduled service to/from Canada.

Hmm... wonder what's would be the first route for Interjet

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

From Transport Canada, both Beijing Capital and Interjet received license to operate scheduled service to/from Canada.

Hmm... wonder what's would be the first route for Interjet

Damn! Beat me to it.

I bet Interjet announces both MEX-YYZ and MEX-YVR at the same time effective early 2017.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

From Transport Canada, both Beijing Capital and Interjet received license to operate scheduled service to/from Canada.

Hmm... wonder what's would be the first route for Interjet

Any source on these? Can't seem to find any.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Damn! Beat me to it.

I bet Interjet announces both MEX-YYZ and MEX-YVR at the same time effective early 2017.

Too bad Interjet's SSJ's dont have the legs for MEX-Canada. Would be nice to see them up here.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Damn! Beat me to it.

I bet Interjet announces both MEX-YYZ and MEX-YVR at the same time effective early 2017.

I wonder when/if Volaris will announce GDL and MTY? That'd be great to have expanded Mexican coverage, and not just to resort cities.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Any source on these? Can't seem to find any.

If you click on "Beijing Capital" and "Interjet" it will take you to the source.

[nname]

According to Airliners.net, Vietnam Airlines had applied for service to LAX, SFO, SEA, DFW, and IAD - either direct or via TPE, KIX, or NGO - and seek beyond right to YVR, YYZ, and YUL.

Hmm... SGN-LAX-YVR or SGN-SFO-YVR coming? (I can't see any other combination works for YVR)

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

If you click on "Beijing Capital" and "Interjet" it will take you to the source.

How the hell did i miss that

Thanks...

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

According to Airliners.net, Vietnam Airlines had applied for service to LAX, SFO, SEA, DFW, and IAD - either direct or via TPE, KIX, or NGO - and seek beyond right to YVR, YYZ, and YUL.

Hmm... SGN-LAX-YVR or SGN-SFO-YVR coming? (I can't see any other combination works for YVR)

YYZ and YUL have a larger Vietnamese community than YVR.

Ontario has 100,000 Vietnamese Canadians (71,000 in Toronto)
Quebec has 42,000
BC has 35,000
Alberta 32,000

Methinks if Vietnam Airlines would serve Canada, it would be YYZ first. YVR and YUL have a slimer chance of getting any service. The only thing that plays in YVR's favor is the shorter distance from Vietnam.

[Gordon]

It looks like YVR is expanding the man Asian departure block, because the Beijing Capital flight leaves @ 4:30PM

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Gordon

It looks like YVR is expanding the man Asian departure block, because the Beijing Capital flight leaves @ 4:30PM

Wished it was a red-eye flight instead. I'm a really strong advocate of these as its perfect for connections into rest of Asia on the outbound. Leaves YVR at midnight, and arrives in Asia in the morning, allowing for a smattering of connecting flights regardless of airline and airport you fly into. MU/CX/BR/CI have got this one figured out

[zahav]

Desperate times call for desperate measures LOL...

Emirates since Late-October 2016 has expanded travel options for Vancouver market, as it partners with Quick Shuttle for bus service on Seattle – Vancouver sector. 2 of 4 daily’s Quick Shuttle service now carries EK flight numbers since 24OCT16. This is the airline’s first bus transfer service in North America, as similar arrangement already exists for Bahrain – Dammam, Dhaka – Chittagong, Dhaka – Sylhet, Osaka Kansai – Nagoya, as well as within Dubai.

EK7033 SEA0930 – 1405YVR BUS D (Quick Shuttle N1)
EK7035 SEA1600 – 2100YVR BUS D (Quick Shuttle N3)

EK7034 YVR0845 – 1400SEA BUS D (Quick Shuttle S2)
EK7036 YVR1615 – 2130SEA BUS D (Quick Shuttle S4)

In Vancouver, EK7033/7035 arrives at Vancouver Waterfront Station, EK7034/7036 departs from various hotels in downtown Vancouver.

Other air travel option for Vancouver includes Emirates’ codeshare partnership with Alaska Airlines on Seattle – Vancouver sector, WestJet on Los Angeles – Vancouver and Toronto – Vancouver as well as summer seasonal London Gatwick – Vancouver.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...eattle-vancouver-bus-connection-in-4q16/

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by zahav

Desperate times call for desperate measures LOL...

Emirates since Late-October 2016 has expanded travel options for Vancouver market, as it partners with Quick Shuttle for bus service on Seattle – Vancouver sector. 2 of 4 daily’s Quick Shuttle service now carries EK flight numbers since 24OCT16. This is the airline’s first bus transfer service in North America, as similar arrangement already exists for Bahrain – Dammam, Dhaka – Chittagong, Dhaka – Sylhet, Osaka Kansai – Nagoya, as well as within Dubai.

EK7033 SEA0930 – 1405YVR BUS D (Quick Shuttle N1)
EK7035 SEA1600 – 2100YVR BUS D (Quick Shuttle N3)

EK7034 YVR0845 – 1400SEA BUS D (Quick Shuttle S2)
EK7036 YVR1615 – 2130SEA BUS D (Quick Shuttle S4)

In Vancouver, EK7033/7035 arrives at Vancouver Waterfront Station, EK7034/7036 departs from various hotels in downtown Vancouver.

Other air travel option for Vancouver includes Emirates’ codeshare partnership with Alaska Airlines on Seattle – Vancouver sector, WestJet on Los Angeles – Vancouver and Toronto – Vancouver as well as summer seasonal London Gatwick – Vancouver.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...eattle-vancouver-bus-connection-in-4q16/

I love it! This will get the Ministry of Transport doing some thinking.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I love it! This will get the Ministry of Transport doing some thinking.

I don't think it is going to be noticed. They already code-share on Horizon flights, this is just a code share on a bus service. I don't even think it is a dedicated bus to the airline. They are just adding their code onto an existing bus service.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

I don't think it is going to be noticed. They already code-share on Horizon flights, this is just a code share on a bus service. I don't even think it is a dedicated bus to the airline. They are just adding their code onto an existing bus service.

Darn!! I thought they might consider the need for another YVR connection to IST, DOH, or such. Wishful thinking on my part!

[Johnny Aussie]

I was pretty darn excited about that new Emirates bus service too... barely slept a wink last night!

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYZ and YUL have a larger Vietnamese community than YVR.

The only thing that plays in YVR's favor is the shorter distance from Vietnam.

But YVR is also the main Asian hub for Western Canada, so the YVR catchment figures that VN would be looking at would also include AB, SK, MB which would make YVR a more attractive destination for VN. With respect to YUL, there isn't a significant Vietnamese population to the East of Montreal. This of course is not taking into account other markets (ie USA) that YVR and YUL may be logical transfer points, I am only looking at Canada for this example. Plus SGN is actually a pretty good point for transfer to most other SE Asian countries. So for YVR it's not just the shorter distance.

Originally Posted by Gordon

It looks like YVR is expanding the man Asian departure block, because the Beijing Capital flight leaves @ 4:30PM

Possibly to do with the slot availability issue... perhaps there just aren't any more available since AC seems to be snapping them up!

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With respect to AC's latest additions (TPE, NGO, FRA, LGW... etc) I think the most interesting one is actually LGW.

YVR-London as I mentioned in the latest UK stats just skyrocketed last summer... almost hit 100,000 in July but smashed through that benchmark in August. Looking at other North American-London market figures it blows me away just how large YVR-London has become.

This means next summer YVR-London will have 5 carriers in this market. AC, AC rouge, BA, TS and WS. That's 37 flights per week (as of now anyway))!! Going to be a bloodbath. Clearly, Air Canada and rouge is not shying away from this. A bold move but obviously they have numbers to support this move.

Now we just await the next announcements.... stay tuned....

[jmt18325]

There are more announcements coming?

Could we have like, just one of these flights?

lol

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

There are more announcements coming?

Could we have like, just one of these flights?

lol

The easiest one is CZ CAN-YVR-MEX.... I think 4O YVR-MEX is also inevitable...

Still many unaccounted for rouge frequencies....

And then there is......