ATLANTA | Development Thread VI - Page 40

jsvh · #**781** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 1:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

There are plenty of one-way streets in big cities like the ones you mention. Manhattan in particular is almost all one-way pairs going N/S. San Francisco is another one that comes to mind with several one-way streets. My point is that people are always talking about one-way streets as these awful experience for peds and being like highway on ramps and how converting to two-way will create a magical pedestrian environment. Spring between 15th and 18th would still be a barren wasteland for peds if converted to two-way. If you converted west peachtree to two-way right now, there would still be issues for example between 10th and 14th with narrow and broken sidewalks, overhead utility lines, no planting strip, lack of seating spaces, etc. If you want to add those things by creating a streetscape, you can do that on one-ways just as effectively. Look at west peachtree by plaza midtown for example. I just disagree with the premise. Sure there are areas where being a ped is not the most pleasant, but the problem is the streetscape, not because it's a one-way street IMO.

It is true. One way streets themselves are not the problem. One way streets are very common in major cities all around the world. It is how they are implemented that matters. A six-lane 45mph+ road is not going to be friendly to walk near / across no matter if those six lanes are one-way or two. One-laned, one-way streets are very common elsewhere in the world and they are some of the most friendly to walk along since their narrow-ness & shared street design invites a safe commingling of pedestrians / bikes / cars in the street.

I am fine keeping West Peachtree and Spring as one-way pairs for the time being. Road diets and slowing speeds are a more important next-step to make them more pedestrian friendly. The key thing is transitioning those roads away from being major north-south speedways from cars thru Midtown. 75/85 is just a few blocks over for that purpose.

These changes are needed to support more high-rise development on those streets. Single occupancy cars simply cannot handle that density of people. We need to divert that finite RoW to higher capacity transportation methods (walk / bike / transit).

TarHeelJ · #**782** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsvh

It is true. One way streets themselves are not the problem. One way streets are very common in major cities all around the world. It is how they are implemented that matters. A six-lane 45mph+ road is not going to be friendly to walk near / across no matter if those six lanes are one-way or two. One-laned, one-way streets are very common elsewhere in the world and they are some of the most friendly to walk along since their narrow-ness & shared street design invites a safe commingling of pedestrians / bikes / cars in the street.

I am fine keeping West Peachtree and Spring as one-way pairs for the time being. Road diets and slowing speeds are a more important next-step to make them more pedestrian friendly. The key thing is transitioning those roads away from being major north-south speedways from cars thru Midtown. 75/85 is just a few blocks over for that purpose.

These changes are needed to support more high-rise development on those streets. Single occupancy cars simply cannot handle that density of people. We need to divert that finite RoW to higher capacity transportation methods (walk / bike / transit).

I would hardly call 75/85 a speedway...maybe at 3 am but most of the time it's a pretty slow ride. That's the reason people use the Midtown and downtown streets - because they are quicker than the Connector. If the powers that be truly want to make them pedestrian-friendly and slow the traffic down on them there are plenty of things that can be done to achieve this goal, so I'm not sure why it hasn't been done already. Lowering the speed limit is one simple way to do it, but lots of other ways have already been discussed here.

I always enjoyed having a quick way through that part of Midtown to Lindbergh/Cheshire Bridge/etc. but I would much prefer a walkable, friendly Midtown. Even at 35 or 25 mph it would often be quicker than the Connector.

jsvh · #**783** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 3:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

I would hardly call 75/85 a speedway...maybe at 3 am but most of the time it's a pretty slow ride. That's the reason people use the Midtown and downtown streets - because they are quicker than the Connector. If the powers that be truly want to make them pedestrian-friendly and slow the traffic down on them there are plenty of things that can be done to achieve this goal, so I'm not sure why it hasn't been done already. Lowering the speed limit is one simple way to do it, but lots of other ways have already been discussed here.

I always enjoyed having a quick way through that part of Midtown to Lindbergh/Cheshire Bridge/etc. but I would much prefer a walkable, friendly Midtown. Even at 35 or 25 mph it would often be quicker than the Connector.

There will never be enough room for people in cars to move through midtown as quickly as they hope. We need to alter these roads to support higher capacity transportation options. And we should not try to cater to higher speeds on surface streets than highways regardless. Design is a much more effective way to reduce speeds / improve safety / increase walkability than just lowering the speed limit. But I agree it is not a bad first step.

sbrptree · #**784** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 4:29 PM**

EVIVA!!!! Construction fencing is going up!!

Pemgin · #**785** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbrptree

EVIVA!!!! Construction fencing is going up!!

Are you sure it's EVIVA and not Hanover? Hanover just put its fences up and its only a block away.

Street Advocate · #**786** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 4:58 PM**

Took a detour this morning and got a shot of the project in Buckhead everyone has an opinion on. I think it turned out pretty well:

Also, crane is up at the masquerade:

Frankster87 · #**787** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbrptree

EVIVA!!!! Construction fencing is going up!!

WHAT? Please don't just be joking!!

sbrptree · #**788** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pemgin

Are you sure it's EVIVA and not Hanover? Hanover just put its fences up and its only a block away.

Hanover's went up on 7th....this is the 6th St lot (next to QT and 805 Peachtree).

Martinman · #**789** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbrptree

EVIVA!!!! Construction fencing is going up!!

OK it's not April fools day so is this a Halloween related tease?

I know I said I was fairly confident it was still moving forward but still.

Street Advocate · #**790** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbrptree

Hanover's went up on 7th....this is the 6th St lot (next to QT and 805 Peachtree).

Oh snap. You know what you're talking about. I feel like I need to stay off the hype train until I see pictures and ground moving. (I'd love to be wrong)

sbrptree · #**791** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pemgin

Are you sure it's EVIVA and not Hanover? Hanover just put its fences up and its only a block away.

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Originally Posted by Martinman

OK it's not April fools day so is this a Halloween related tease?

I know I said I was fairly confident it was still moving forward but still.

Shocked me too! See pic (sorry for large size)

Street Advocate · #**792** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:08 PM**

Oh sheeeeeiiiiittttt people are going to lose their minds if Hanover and EVIVA go up simultaneously. I think we'll also lose our minds if they're just repaving the parking lot. Lmao.

BGump · #**793** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbrptree

EVIVA!!!! Construction fencing is going up!!

Confirmed. There are still plenty of cars in the parking lot though and the building permit has not been issued yet. It has been in "ready to issue" state since April 1, 2014.

Street Advocate · #**794** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by BGump

Confirmed. There are still plenty of cars in the parking lot though and the building permit has not been issued yet. It has been in "ready to issue" state since April 1, 2014.

Anyone ask the guys putting up the fences what they know about the project?

BGump · #**795** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:15 PM**

The Eviva project has been slightly modified:

http://evivamidtown.com/

Kidding, kidding.

Student · #**796** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by BGump

The Eviva project has been slightly modified:

http://evivamidtown.com/

Kidding, kidding.

I almost puked... especially after seeing that site worker's crack...

jwbab · #**797** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 5:53 PM**

This doesn't make sense with Eviva. Why did they just repaint the parking spaces if they are going to close it off for construction? Are you sure that is construction fencing?

They may just be closing off a section of the lot so that the Hanover Midtown project has somewhere to stage their construction equipment.

Ant131531 · #**798** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by jwbab

This doesn't make sense with Eviva. Why did they just repaint the parking spaces if they are going to close it off for construction? Are you sure that is construction fencing?

They may just be closing off a section of the lot so that the Hanover Midtown project has somewhere to stage their construction equipment.

Yeah sadly I don't think this is for actual construction....no permits anywhere to be found.

kamden99 · #**799** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 6:57 PM**

I think they might be putting up a fence to protect cars that are parked in the lot. Many vehicles have been damaged over the years driving off the edge of the small retaining wall between the parking lot and the sidewalk adjacent to Peachtree Street.

Martinman · #**800** Posted **Nov 3, 2016, 7:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by jwbab

This doesn't make sense with Eviva. Why did they just repaint the parking spaces if they are going to close it off for construction? Are you sure that is construction fencing?

They may just be closing off a section of the lot so that the Hanover Midtown project has somewhere to stage their construction equipment.

This is possible.

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Originally Posted by kamden99

I think they might be putting up a fence to protect cars that are parked in the lot. Many vehicles have been damaged over the years driving off the edge of the small retaining wall between the parking lot and the sidewalk adjacent to Peachtree Street.

This is not. It's doubtful that a hideous permanent chain fence on Peachtree could gain approval.