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[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Let's briefly return to Glass Negative #1 from last week.

Unless I missed it, I don't believe anyone named the mystery building behind the tree and in the distance.

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I'm pretty sure it's Julia Morgan's Herald Examiner building. (maybe someone already figured this out)

In this aerial dated 1914, you can see undeveloped parcels of land surrounding the building during it's construction.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...65/id/1849/rec

If you look closely, there are numerous scraggly trees and shack-like buildings, similar to what appears in the bluish glass neg.

note the rather nice house at upper right with a coach house behind it. (baist map please )

I think you have the right building, e_r, but the wrong corner. If I'm looking at it correctly, then the end wall doesn't have any windows, which makes it the south end. That would mean that the glass slide was taken on W 12th Street near Hill (i.e. just off to the left of the image below).


USC Digital Library

This is the northern end. The image is undated, but the building is barely finished - note the "Temporary Entrance" on the right.


USC Digital Library

I've posted Baist maps (and the 1914 aerial) before, although I missed the houses just north of W 11th Street. This is the edge of one of the plates of the Baist maps, so lining them up may prove difficult.

Originally Posted by HossC

The lot was previously occupied by the Huntington Hall School for Young Ladies. This is the 1910 Baist map


www.historicmapworks.com

The 1914 Baist map shows the Examiner Building and the extension of Broadway. The rest of the block has also been subdivided into smaller plots, although it looks like only two or three are taken.


www.historicmapworks.com

[ethereal_reality]

Good eye Hoss. I hadn't noticed the lack of windows on that one end of the Examiner building (the one that's visible in the glass negative)

And thanks for the baist maps. You're the best!
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I see the house I mentioned (with the coach house) is #20 in the upper right corner of the baist maps.
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[HossC]

You get two Julius Shulman photos today. This is "Job 63: Sidney Eisenshtat, Pasadena Scene (Pasadena, Calif.), 1947". The shadows of the cables on the Thrifty store almost look like added detail.



From the other side you can see a branch of Security First National Bank just past Thrifty, and on this side is the Lotus Inn and a Texaco station.



Both from Getty Research Institute

I had a vague memory of a branch of Security First National Bank in Pasadena, and found it in post #31182. It was part of my Julius Shulman/Bank of America round-up, but the Security First National Bank was on the opposite corner. That means we're looking at the intersection of Fair Oaks Avenue and Mission Street. This detail from the 1952 Bank of America set shows the Security First National Bank and the Thrifty store on the left with Market Basket behind. Notice that the Lotus Inn has moved across the street and slightly north.


Getty Research Institute

There's a nice follow-up by e_r which shows how the Security First National Bank building has changed over the years - it's post #31188. A more recent picture showing it as the Comerica Bank can be found in my original post (link above).

[unihikid]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

I didn't know that was the reason it closed. I'd go there on occasion when visiting the Royal Theatre down the street.

Who was doing "ZOOT SUIT" unihikid?

The University High LSU members of class of 2000 and 2001 along with the members of the drama department.

[unihikid]

I was at Rite Aide yesterday and noticed this great looking substation on PCH..now I know most of Hermosa and Redondo Beaches rail history and I dont recall a rail line nearby..granted the streets have been realigned but still. Anyone have an idea if this was rail related?


Photo by Charlie

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' location

Glass Negative #9


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The Percival Iron Company at 232 to 240 Aliso Street, Los Angeles Calif. (has anyone heard of this company?)

It's unclear whether the truck is parked in front of the company or somewhere else in the city.
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Perhaps someone here will be able to read the name on this business. (that would certainly help in figuring out the location)


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On the right edge of the photo there appears to be an arched entrance set back from the street.


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[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by unihikid

I was at Rite Aide yesterday and noticed this great looking substation on PCH..now I know most of Hermosa and Redondo Beaches rail history and I dont recall a rail line nearby..granted the streets have been realigned but still. Anyone have an idea if this was rail related?


Photo by Charlie

Sources I consulted didn't show a substation in Redondo Beach for PE or its predecessors, unihikid. But the resemblance is there, no doubt.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'mystery' location

Glass Negative #9


eBay

The Percival Iron Company at 232 to 240 Aliso Street, Los Angeles Calif. (has anyone heard of this company?)

It's unclear whether the truck is parked in front of the company or somewhere else in the city.

Perhaps someone here will be able to read the name on this business. (that would certainly help in figuring out the location)


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The Percival Iron Co only moved to 232-240 Aliso in 1917 (according to the CDs). Before that the company was at 306 N Los Angeles Street. The 1921 Baist map shows the Percival Iron Co on Aliso.


www.historicmapworks.com

Here's a later view of the Aliso/Alameda area which has appeared on NLA before. The Percival Iron Co had been in the building directly below the double streetcar.


USC Digital Library

The building nearly opposite appears to match the one in e_r's picture. The Baist map identifies it as LA Fire Engine 4. The image below is labeled "Engine Company No. 4, Truck Company No. 6, 227 Aliso Street, 1919 to 1948". The site's other shots show variations in the lettering, but I think this one most closely matches the original slide.


lafire.com

I've just looked back at the 1910 Baist map and noticed that the railroad tracks below the fire station are missing. The addition of this rail spur may explain the rough-looking side of the building in the slide.


www.historicmapworks.com

[ethereal_reality]

Excellent sleuthing My Man Hoss. You actually found the building (a fire house no less) that appears in the Percival glass negative!

I'm glad you mentioned the rough side of the building, (I was curious about that, but didn't mention it earlier)

So you've deducted the 'rough side' was exposed when they tore down a building for the railroad spur
...so the 'arched entrance' I pointed out, is actually the left edge of building #48 in the 1924 baist. (see below)


originally posted by HossC


It all falls into place now!





Time for coffee

[ethereal_reality]

I hope you all aren't getting tired of 'mystery' locations because here's another one.

no date...no address...in the distance city hall (obviously) and in-between bunker hill.

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The seller thinks the number on the trolley might be #1390....but they're not sure.





If's a bit difficult to tell for sure, but there might be a miniature golf course behind the street car


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note the man by the utility pole...is he playing miniature golf?




There are a couple more snapshots from this photographer that I'll post tomorrow.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I hope you all aren't getting tired of 'mystery' locations because here's another one.

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I like your mystery photos ER. They keep Hoss busy and out of trouble.

[unihikid]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I hope you all aren't getting tired of 'mystery' locations because here's another one.

no date...no address...in the distance city hall (obviously) and in-between bunker hill.

ebay


The seller thinks the number on the trolley might be #1390....but they're not sure.


If's a bit difficult to tell for sure, but there might be a miniature golf course behind the street car


detail

note the man by the utility pole...is he playing miniature golf?




There are a couple more snapshots from this photographer that I'll post tomorrow.

This reminds me of a pic that was posted on The Friends of Echo Park.. maybe about 10 years ago..maybe more, I was apart of a yahoo group who was devoted to PE..someone posted that Echo Park was trying to tear up the the streets along edgeware and re-install a yellow car that would travel all through Angelino Heights to the outskirts of DTLA...they had a great website and even had a yellow car stored (and still stored) at the AH Fire Station which is where the NHA meets. I sent in 50 bucks to help fund the project and nothing ever came about it.

A few years later Curbed posted about how Bring Back Broadway was a deal.. they were going to install a street car along Broadway in the style of what the Muni is out in Frisco..that has now changed to a newer style car and nothing that embraces the vintage Broadway that they want...anyways the same route that was to be an extention of the little Yellow Car line that was to go up and down AH was the basis for this new street line. I cant find any info on the AH rail line of ten years ago, but i do know the car was a "Binary" car and that at least as of a few years ago it was stored at the old fire station. Does anyone remember this or did i just give 50 bucks to thin air.

[ethereal_reality]

quite interesting unihikid. I'd want my 50 dollars back.





Even though we're still working on the previous 'mystery' location, here's another.


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I'm really intrigued by this attractive single-story building on the corner. At first I thought it might be a cafe, but now I'm not so sure.


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The name on the sign (partially hidden by the utility pole) might begin with a F.

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[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by HossC

Here's a later view of the Aliso/Alameda area which has appeared on NLA before. The Percival Iron Co had been in the building directly below the double streetcar.


USC Digital Library

I had never noticed roofs and frontages which do not match like this double slanted roof and crenellated frontage on the building below the double streetcar. The building looks like a box with a roof inside or like some movie sets, westerns in particular.

[Ed Workman]

Originally Posted by unihikid

I was at Rite Aide yesterday and noticed this great looking substation on PCH..now I know most of Hermosa and Redondo Beaches rail history and I dont recall a rail line nearby..granted the streets have been realigned but still. Anyone have an idea if this was rail related?


Photo by Charlie

WHAT???
Hermosa, and Redondo were served by the Los Angeles Pacific from PLaya Del Rey, along the beach , then a little inland where the bluff no longer interfered.
I don't have a copy of the two volume book about Pacific Electric substations, [now out of print] so I can't confirm where or if, but is in the architectural style used by LAP for the depot at Santa MOnica, and Playa Del Rey and others
Service was abandoned 1940

[HossC]

We've seen the Art Deco Sunkist Building opposite the Central Library numerous times, but I couldn't find any pictures of the building they moved to (I'm sure they're there somewhere). Here's a small collection taken by Julius Shulman. This is "Job 4695: Sunkist Building, ASG Installation (Calif.), 1970". I've tried to improve the contrast, but this is the best I could do.



A view of the corner. Is that a 1970 Dodge Polara on the right?



The final shot shows the central courtyard, which I don't think I've seen before.



All from Getty Research Institute

You'll find the Sunkist Headquarters at 14130 Riverside Drive. It was designed by A C Martin and Associates. There's more information in an article at laconservancy.org. Trees line most of the Riverside Drive frontage, so I took the "now" picture from the Ventura Freeway, which is actually closer.


GSV

[ethereal_reality]

Hoss, here's the Sunkist HQ. doing double-duty as Cypress View Hospital in the 2004 film Paparazzi.


http://www.seeing-stars.com/Locations/Paparazzi2.shtml

[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I hope you all aren't getting tired of 'mystery' locations because here's another one.

no date...no address...in the distance city hall (obviously) and in-between bunker hill.

ebay


The seller thinks the number on the trolley might be #1390....but they're not sure.





If's a bit difficult to tell for sure, but there might be a miniature golf course behind the street car


detail

note the man by the utility pole...is he playing miniature golf?




There are a couple more snapshots from this photographer that I'll post tomorrow.

Well, I see the Alta Vista (just below City Hall), the Hope Street retaining wall and the Sawyer Apartments. It looks as though the streetcar is climbing out of the Flower/Figueroa/Fremont swale, maybe on 5th or 6th Street.

[ethereal_reality]

Glass Negative #10 [ca.1920]

North American Miso & Shoyu Mfg. Company

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No street was included in the vague description, but you can clearly see two different street numbers, #517 and #519.




Here's a closer look at the posters/ephemera on the building behind the truck.


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note the "Victory Liberty Loan"poster that's partially covered by the Pantages Vaudeville broadside....an obvious remnant from WWI.




below: The business next door must be out of business (note the items pasted over the name)


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So what's it say underneath? P -something- Parlor...maybe....or could it be one long word instead of two? & then there's "Ladies...Gents" (I'm baffled by this)

The illustrated man resembles the men in J.C. Leyendecker ads.








note the Pantages' Bullseye reflected in the windshield of the truck. -pretty cool huh

[GaylordWilshire]

North American Miso & Shoyu was at 519 E 1st Street.... 517 was a restaurant amusingly called Ah Chew Lo in the teens and then a laundry called T Yamamoto in 1921, then it was a restaurant again, at least according to CDs...all gone gone gone