YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Wow! u have a lot of time on your hands!!

This actually makes YVR's service level seem even more impressive! Especially for such a relatively small city.

SFO with a UA mega hub and a population of over 8 million in the greater SF area yet YVR is
70% of their total INT'L capacity but 94% of their Asia Pacific capacity. Definitely at par with SFO.
And yet not a single flight to South America either... Hmmm.

Goes to show what an Asia Pacific powerhouse YVR is.

There's no doubt YVRs service form an international widebody standpoint is huge for a city/region its size.

SFO is indeed without South American connections too... interesting...

They do have PTY though which would be a nice get for YVR and within range once Copa or AC get their 737-Max planes. I'm sure O&D is not impressive but PTY is a big transfer airport and has great connections to South America.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Europe is what it is... There will be growth but it's still going to be all about Asia Pacific for the foreseeable future.

Europe is what it is... and apparently that's the fastest growing sector at YVR! 15.0% on the year to Asia's 13.9%.

Who needs Asia!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Who needs Asia!

Yeah !!!! It's already here!! oooooooooooooooops!!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

There's no doubt YVRs service form an international widebody standpoint is huge for a city/region its size.

SFO is indeed without South American connections too... interesting...

They do have PTY though which would be a nice get for YVR and within range once Copa or AC get their 737-Max planes. I'm sure O&D is not impressive but PTY is a big transfer airport and has great connections to South America.




Europe is what it is... and apparently that's the fastest growing sector at YVR! 15.0% on the year to Asia's 13.9%.

Who needs Asia!

Ha ha! Yeah! Why must you tease us so!!
But who needs Asia OR Europe!! Misc Int'l blows them ALL away!!

BUT... don't forget Asia working off a much higher base... In pure number terms Asia adding the biggest numbers...

[Hourglass]

Tks Leftcoaster for running the SFO numbers. YVR's Asian connectivity is really impressive!

[Hot Rod]

I wonder how well LAX is connected. ...

Isn't LAX the biggest International Hub on the West Coast, followed by YVR THEN SFO?

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

I wonder how well LAX is connected. ...

Isn't LAX the biggest International Hub on the West Coast, followed by YVR THEN SFO?

I believe LAX then SFO then YVR. SFO has better connectivity to Europe.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

I believe LAX then SFO then YVR. SFO has better connectivity to Europe.

I would definitely think it's LAX > SFO > YVR....

Lefty's chart supports SFO>YVR.

Ask him nicely and he may just have a crack at LAX!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

I wonder how well LAX is connected. ...

Isn't LAX the biggest International Hub on the West Coast, followed by YVR THEN SFO?

Look again, I think not. Sorry, man.

Originally Posted by Hourglass

I believe LAX then SFO then YVR. SFO has better connectivity to Europe.

YVR has only 4 year-round destinations to Europe. Adequate, but still limited.
But if YVR can add Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Saigon, Sapporo, Melbourne, and Tahiti (maybe seasonally), that would make it the sovereign airport of the Pacific, I'm sure

[moosejaw]

SFO intl pax count 11.2 m
http://media.flysfo.com/media/sfo/media/air-traffic/as201512.pdf

LAX intl pax count 20m
https://www.lawa.org/uploadedfiles/LAX/statistics/aircarrier-2015.pdf

YVR is slightly less than SFO
But it's percentage of intl pax vs domestic pax would be higher than both lax and SFO being they handle 75m and 50m respectively

[Johnny Aussie]

YVR ranks 10th in North America for total International passengers...

JFK
YYZ
MIA
LAX
EWR
ORD
ATL
SFO
IAH
YVR

Of the top 10, as a % of international over total passengers only JFK and YYZ are higher. Pretty impressive.

[YEG]

When will AC's TPE flight be available to book?

[jmt18325]

When it gets federal approval.

[excel]

I added the approx metro populations to the list to show how YVR really does pull more than its weight in North America. I'd be surprised if there is any airport in the world with a small surrounding population like ours that actually has this much international traffic.

JFK - 23m
YYZ - 6m
MIA - 5.5m
LAX - 18m
EWR - 23m
ORD - 10m
ATL - 6m
SFO - 9m
IAH - 6m
YVR - 2.3m

[YEG]

Originally Posted by excel

I'd be surprised if there is any airport in the world with a small surrounding population like ours that actually has this much international traffic.

Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by excel

I added the approx metro populations to the list to show how YVR really does pull more than its weight in North America. I'd be surprised if there is any airport in the world with a small surrounding population like ours that actually has this much international traffic.

JFK - 23m
YYZ - 6m
MIA - 5.5m
LAX - 18m
EWR - 23m
ORD - 10m
ATL - 6m
SFO - 9m
IAH - 6m
YVR - 2.3m

AKL is approaching 10 million annual international pax. Metro Auckland is about 1.6 million people. NZ population is almost the same as BC.

One thing is for certain though.... YVR will smash through 10 million Int'l passengers this year.

[excel]

Originally Posted by YEG

Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha...

It's showing Dubai at 2.6m metro. Their international traffic is all due to Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways. Oil funded mass production.

Auckland is a good example.

[Hot Rod]

I know Vancouver likes to separate out Transborder, which US airports do not.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

I know Vancouver likes to separate out Transborder, which US airports do not.

Most Canadian airports do this.

To compare Canadian airports with the rest of the world you have to compare total international. For example, the US would have to back out Canadian and Mexican traffic. And what about travel between the border-free Schengen countries in Europe? Even in Australia and NZ we have our own unique relationship that trans-Tasman travel is similar to the Canada/US.

By definition international means the plane takes off in one country and lands in another. So really that's the only true way to compare Canadian airports with the rest of the world.

[SFTransplant]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

There's no doubt YVRs service form an international widebody standpoint is huge for a city/region its size.

SFO is indeed without South American connections too... interesting...

They do have PTY though which would be a nice get for YVR and within range once Copa or AC get their 737-Max planes. I'm sure O&D is not impressive but PTY is a big transfer airport and has great connections to South America.




Europe is what it is... and apparently that's the fastest growing sector at YVR! 15.0% on the year to Asia's 13.9%.

Who needs Asia!

Don't forget SF has 3 international airports with Oakland now picking up many nonstop European routes that SFO simply doesn't have room for at this point... Not intending to provoke a city vs. city (or rather airport vs. airport) but comparing SFO and YVR is apples to oranges since it takes 3 intl airports to accommodate the Bay Area...

Two years ago, SFO had a nonstop to Lima on LAN which I had very high hopes for but it faded quickly. I'm continually perplexed (and frustrated) by the difficulty airlines have in non stops from the west coast to South America

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SFTransplant

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Two years ago, SFO had a nonstop to Lima on LAN which I had very high hopes for but it faded quickly. I'm continually perplexed (and frustrated) by the difficulty airlines have in non stops from the west coast to South America

Maybe it's proximity. South America is southeast of North America, and the flights there all seem to go from East Coast or Central cities like Dallas, Houston, Miami, NY, Toronto, etc.