Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed - Page 511

swimmer_spe · #**10201** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 4:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

Didn't Coquitlam pull a similar charade with wanting LRT (which is now being developed as the Evergreen extension)?

I kind of feel like these cities threaten metro Van with developing LRT so that they can get extensions out their way.... Is that even a tangible political strategy?

If that is what they are doing, it is almost ingenuous.

nname · #**10202** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 4:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

Didn't Coquitlam pull a similar charade with wanting LRT (which is now being developed as the Evergreen extension)?

I kind of feel like these cities threaten metro Van with developing LRT so that they can get extensions out their way.... Is that even a tangible political strategy?

Coquitlam always wanted SkyTrain - it's Port Moody who wanted LRT...

Actually, Port Moody is more worried about something that's elevated rather than the technology (and to some extent, cost). So the compromise is to build SkyTrain mostly at-grade.

red-paladin · #**10203** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 6:52 AM**

Speaking of Port Moody and skytrain, I was at the Canoe Club tonight (Klahanie strata amenities) and the skytrains were going by every few minutes for testing.

idunno · #**10204** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 4:09 PM**

Were they as loud and obtrusive as the residents claimed they might be when the columns were going up?

red-paladin · #**10205** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by idunno

Were they as loud and obtrusive as the residents claimed they might be when the columns were going up?

Considering that a freight train went by around the same time and was nth degree louder, the skytrain is just a wooosh.

GMasterAres · #**10206** Posted **Oct 18, 2016, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

Didn't Coquitlam pull a similar charade with wanting LRT (which is now being developed as the Evergreen extension)?

I kind of feel like these cities threaten metro Van with developing LRT so that they can get extensions out their way.... Is that even a tangible political strategy?

Pointed this out to people at least 3 years ago+. You're the only one paying attention. That's exactly what LRT in Surrey is, pressure on the government to do something. And it is happening as Translink stepped in and is doing the business case now for what should be built down Fraser Hwy, street grade LRT or separated LRT (aka SkyTrain) and we should know the answer to which in the next few months.

Hint, the answer very likely starts with an S and ends with a Train.

As for 104th, that is Surrey's problem as it is entirely 100% within its borders and I don't think the city can expect other cities to contribute. Sure the Broadway Line would technically be entirely in Vancouver but as it is linked up to Millenium it technically is a regional extension.

Also for those of you not in the know, Fraser Hwy and 100th Ave are slated in the next 1-3 years to be widened to 2 travel lanes either direction. That is meant to ease off any burden on 104th as a result of street-level LRT.

King George is already wide enough to not have traffic affected.

queetz@home · #**10207** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 2:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Coquitlam always wanted SkyTrain - it's Port Moody who wanted LRT...

Actually, Port Moody is more worried about something that's elevated rather than the technology (and to some extent, cost). So the compromise is to build SkyTrain mostly at-grade.

To further add to that, Coquitlam (Kingsbury) was pretty much forced to go LRT at that time for the simple desperation of having any form of rail based rapid transit or none at all. If you guys were to travel back in 2004, the proposals from Translink was just ludicrous such as optically guided buses (which turned out to be a failure the lone North American operator, Las Vegas, phased them out just this year!) to tram looking buses found in Nancy, France. LRT was deemed the only solution at that time since the BC Liberal government only cared about the Olympics and nothing else.

Of course things have changed since then, most importantly the defeat of the Federal Liberal government to be replaced by a Western centric Federal Conservative government, Skytrain to Coquitlam became a possibility. So thus we have Evergreen Skytrain today. Remember during the Paul Martin government, even Canada Line was almost not funded, so an Evergreen Skytrain would be impossible. The moment Stephen Harper and Coquitlam MP James Moore came to power as a ruling party, we have secured funding (the Province had to match).

So no, the LRT is not a tactic to get Skytrain. It just so happen the Northeast Sector got lucky politically, hence why Evergreen Line FINALLY came to fruition. Vancouver and Surrey can also get their further extensions if the political winds are in their favour.

twoNeurons · #**10208** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 8:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

Thing is, Toronto hasn't done any major line expansions for almost 30 years.

To be fair, they did the Sheppard Line.

I just hope Vancouver doesn't follow the same path. I want to see a Hastings or a 41st Line before Toronto see a DRL.

swimmer_spe · #**10209** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

To be fair, they did the Sheppard Line.

I just hope Vancouver doesn't follow the same path. I want to see a Hastings or a 41st Line before Toronto see a DRL.

Toronto is planning to start on the DRL.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/05/31/preferred-route-of-downtown-relief-line-revealed.html

dandor31 · #**10210** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Toronto is planning to start on the DRL.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/05/31/preferred-route-of-downtown-relief-line-revealed.html

Sorry, did I read the last line correctly, more than 13 years to build!!! What is the plan between now and then?

nickbeaulieu · #**10211** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 9:34 PM**

They've been running trains constantly the last few days.

swimmer_spe · #**10212** Posted **Oct 19, 2016, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by dandor31

Sorry, did I read the last line correctly, more than 13 years to build!!! What is the plan between now and then?

You did read that right. Unlike Translink, TTC does not have B-line type express routes. They simply run frequent services. So, less than 5 minute intervals. And they are always jammed packed.

officedweller · #**10213** Posted **Oct 20, 2016, 12:21 AM**

From the webcam today:

http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

SkytrainCar026 · #**10214** Posted **Oct 20, 2016, 2:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

From the webcam today:

http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

Huh, very interesting. It appears that they are re-making the median that they used to have back before the project started, but this time with curbs.

Here is the median, back before they began digging the tunnel.

Source: http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

red-paladin · #**10215** Posted **Oct 20, 2016, 7:30 AM**

The hoarding at Lougheed station that covered the entrance to the 3rd platform is down, and just a light fence is there now.

twoNeurons · #**10216** Posted **Oct 20, 2016, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by dandor31

Sorry, did I read the last line correctly, more than 13 years to build!!! What is the plan between now and then?

Subways with LONG stations and large bores take a long time to build. Toronto refuses to build anything else, feel like the SRT is a failure, and so this is the result. It's pretty telling when the map of the lines linked in that article don't even include the SRT.

Waders · #**10217** Posted **Oct 21, 2016, 6:02 AM**

From The Buzzer blog,

scryer · #**10218** Posted **Oct 21, 2016, 8:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

You did read that right. Unlike Translink, TTC does not have B-line type express routes. They simply run frequent services. So, less than 5 minute intervals. And they are always jammed packed.

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Sorry, did I read the last line correctly, more than 13 years to build!!! What is the plan between now and then?

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I just hope Vancouver doesn't follow the same path. I want to see a Hastings or a 41st Line before Toronto see a DRL.

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Subways with LONG stations and large bores take a long time to build. Toronto refuses to build anything else, feel like the SRT is a failure, and so this is the result. It's pretty telling when the map of the lines linked in that article don't even include the SRT.

I just have to say that I am really glad that Vancouver went with the Skytrain technology that it did. For Canada's largest city, Toronto has a serious rapid transit problem when it comes to extending its network and most of it has to do with expense and time. Even Montreal is placing more focus on a Skytrain-like technology as it is more efficient and less expensive. Toronto hasn't seen many extensions to its system save for the small extension to the Yonge line, and for the Eglinton Crosstown. Toronto, of all cities, need a better solution. I mean you can't expect the city not to grow for 13 years, not with all of those supertall proposals being done.

Millennium2002 · #**10219** Posted **Oct 21, 2016, 10:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkytrainCar026

Huh, very interesting. It appears that they are re-making the median that they used to have back before the project started, but this time with curbs.

Here is the median, back before they began digging the tunnel.

Source: http://wcs.pbaeng.com/projects/R1_Transit

I was looking at Google maps, and that's actually a road in the background that is needed to access some area homes... the other access point is a right in right out intersection at Clarke Road that the government temporarily installed a traffic light on to enable left turns out.

lightrail · #**10220** Posted **Oct 22, 2016, 1:40 AM**

When the change to the Skytrain operating pattern was announced, the frequency of trains on the Millennium line was every 3 minutes during the peak and daytime (with two-car Mark II, and 4-car Mark I trains). There was a reduction in frequency on the Expo Line (from every 6 minutes on each branch to every 7.5 minutes), but all trains would be 4-car Mark II and Mark III, and 6-car Mark 1 trains.

After complaints about the frequency cut on the Expo Line, Translink has reinstated the current frequencies on that line, but have cut the mid-day frequency on the Millennium Line operating between VCC-Clark and Lougheed Town Centre from advertised 3 minutes, to every 6 minutes.

Not sure if that is just until the opening of the extension to Lafarge Lake - Douglas or not.

http://www.translink.ca/en/Schedules-and-Maps/SkyTrain/SkyTrain-Schedules/Millennium-Line.aspx