YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 509

trofirhen · #**10161** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 11:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Hmmmm. VivaAerobús planning to fly to Asia?! Awesomeness!

Hope they fly via YVR!

Although come to think of it... not sure they'd make it on their brand spanking new A320neos they have on order.

Maybe a routing MEX-YVR-PKC-NRT?

PKC - Petropavlovsk could become the new Reykjavik offering some super duper stopover packages on the way to and from.

Don't think VivaAerobús is quite colourful enough though... Need more colour on the vertical stabiliser.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...pg/800px-Petropawlowsk_und_Koryaksky.jpg
Well-connected airport, and a fascinating town!! It would be a perfect stopover, as you say!! Great destination for 'ecotourists,' as well!!!

Klazu · #**10162** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 4:10 PM**

Ummm... The mountain looks amazing, but I am not sure of the old commie town... :roll:

I think Johnny pulled one his trademark pranks again...

trofirhen · #**10163** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Ummm... The mountain looks amazing, but I am not sure of the old commie town... :roll:

I think Johnny pulled one his trademark pranks again...

Precisely the point.

casper · #**10164** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Ummm... The mountain looks amazing, but I am not sure of the old commie town... :roll:

I think Johnny pulled one his trademark pranks again...

I think Russia is a long shot. If it were to happen I would guess Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport. However that is a very long long shot.

trofirhen · #**10165** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

I think Russia is a long shot. If it were to happen I would guess Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport. However that is a very long long shot.

Novosibirsk Tolmachevo serves just about all of Russia, but even at that, transport Canada would nix it, so forget it.

CareerShow · #**10166** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 10:19 PM**

A route to Russia would indeed be a shocking one

jmt18325 · #**10167** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 11:41 PM**

So does that mean no Moscow for Air Canada from YYZ? It was in their short term plans.

casper · #**10168** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

So does that mean no Moscow for Air Canada from YYZ? It was in their short term plans.

Out of YVR I don't think we would ever see Moscow. Perhaps out of YYZ. I don't know anything about the market or its viability. I believe many years ago Air Canada did fly to Moscow. I don't remember exactly, I think may have involved a stop in Heathrow or another European city en-route.

If it were to be a YVR, Siberia is the only place that makes sense (and it is a long shot) and flying to Novosibirsk over the pacific or arctic perhaps. Still very unlikely.

nname · #**10169** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Out of YVR I don't think we would ever see Moscow. Perhaps out of YYZ. I don't know anything about the market or its viability. I believe many years ago Air Canada did fly to Moscow. I don't remember exactly, I think may have involved a stop in Heathrow or another European city en-route.

If it were to be a YVR, Siberia is the only place that makes sense (and it is a long shot) and flying to Novosibirsk over the pacific or arctic perhaps. Still very unlikely.

YVR-OVB-DEL on rouge :p

jmt18325 · #**10170** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 3:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Out of YVR I don't think we would ever see Moscow. Perhaps out of YYZ.

I know, I just didn't have another place to direct that question.

Johnny Aussie · #**10171** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 6:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Out of YVR I don't think we would ever see Moscow. Perhaps out of YYZ. I don't know anything about the market or its viability. I believe many years ago Air Canada did fly to Moscow. I don't remember exactly, I think may have involved a stop in Heathrow or another European city en-route.

If it were to be a YVR, Siberia is the only place that makes sense (and it is a long shot) and flying to Novosibirsk over the pacific or arctic perhaps. Still very unlikely.

YYZ-Russia is about 5X YVR-Russia. YVR-Siberia would be lucky to have 4 people per day.

Johnny Aussie · #**10172** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 6:46 AM**

LH on the YVR-MUC route will revert back to daily 333 next summer versus a mix of 346/333 as per last summer.

No more flying pencil.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...ancouver-aircraft-changes-as-of-17oct16/

Johnny Aussie · #**10173** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 9:31 AM**

BA will once again commence 388 services on the YVR-LHR route effective 1 May 2017. Originally 388 services were to recommence on 1 June 2017.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...irways-updates-s17-vancouver-operations/

trofirhen · #**10174** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 12:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YYZ-Russia is about 5X YVR-Russia. YVR-Siberia would be lucky to have 4 people per day.

Putting Russia aside for a moment, what about this order from our friends at Transport Canada that there has to be sufficient O&D to warrant a route?
It was posted here that a minuscule % of YYZ - CPH are O&D and that most are connecting pax.
Growing up on the North Shore, parts of it had neighbourhoods where it seemed one in every four families was Scandinavian.
Although not like Seattle, Vancouver and Western Canada have a respectable number of Scandinavians, many of whom would, I bet, be willing to go YVR-CPH.
So, if YYZ, in the middle of a huge Italian-Portuguese-WASP-and-other market gets CPH nonstop, 95+% NOT O&D, what are the probabilities for YVR? (zilch, of course)
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That's just ONE example, one question.
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Also (if I can get a serious reply to this) what was VIVA.AERO, that LCC Mexican airline, doing at YVR in the first place?? Visiting for afternoon tea? Showing off its 🞵🞵🞵?
* It must have been here for a reason. WHAT REASON? Thank you

mezzanine · #**10175** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 5:03 PM**

YVR-DEL starts Oct 20. It looks like they had a PR event last week at the vancouver art gallery with local travel agents, south asian media and the consul general of india. Big question - will the service be made year-round?

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Howlett told agents that Air Canada was relying on them to fill the flights as it was placing the Dreamliner, a $100 million aircraft, on the route. “This represents a huge investment of capital on the Indian market and the Delhi corridor,” he said, adding that it would be through the work of agents that the seasonal flights could turn into continued service in the future. “We are counting on everyone here,” he said, adding “we have to demonstrate a positive return on our investment.” The seasonal service is currently scheduled to run until April 8, 2017.

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/build-bett...da-launches-direct-delhi-service-ex-yvr/

http://www.voiceonline.com/air-canadas-e...-ready-for-takeoff-beginning-october-20/

Canadian74 · #**10176** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Don't think VivaAerobús is quite colourful enough though... Need more colour on the vertical stabiliser.

LeftCoaster · #**10177** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 6:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

LH on the YVR-MUC route will revert back to daily 333 next summer versus a mix of 346/333 as per last summer.

No more flying pencil.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...ancouver-aircraft-changes-as-of-17oct16/

I saw this too, very sad. I love the proportions of the 346, hopefully they revise their schedule again and bring it back, although it's days in the skies at all seem numbered.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

BA will once again commence 388 services on the YVR-LHR route effective 1 May 2017. Originally 388 services were to recommence on 1 June 2017.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...irways-updates-s17-vancouver-operations/

Good news, I was hoping they would revise that date.

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Also (if I can get a serious reply to this) what was VIVA.AERO, that LCC Mexican airline, doing at YVR in the first place?? Visiting for afternoon tea? Showing off its 🞵🞵🞵?
* It must have been here for a reason. WHAT REASON? Thank you

It was at YVR for a cruise ship charter apparently.

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

YVR-DEL starts Oct 20. It looks like they had a PR event last week at the vancouver art gallery with local travel agents, south asian media and the consul general of india. Big question - will the service be made year-round?

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/build-bett...da-launches-direct-delhi-service-ex-yvr/

http://www.voiceonline.com/air-canadas-e...-ready-for-takeoff-beginning-october-20/

I hope they have success but I am worried about this route. I just went on line and you can see the seat map for any given flight. The planes are not very full even for the dates next week. Surprisingly business class doesn't look too bad but the premium econ and econ are sparse.

Canadian74 · #**10178** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I hope they have success but I am worried about this route. I just went on line and you can see the seat map for any given flight. The planes are not very full even for the dates next week. Surprisingly business class doesn't look too bad but the premium econ and econ are sparse.

I suspect a lot of Y tickets are being sold by travel agents and people haven't selected their seats yet, waiting until check-in ?

The intro prices were genuinely good so I'm sure Y will be quite full this season

trofirhen · #**10179** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian74

I suspect a lot of Y tickets are being sold by travel agents and people haven't selected their seats yet, waiting until check-in ?

The intro prices were genuinely good so I'm sure Y will be quite full this season

I sure hope you're right. Also, I hope (or rather had hoped) that this YVR-DEL route would unforeseeably "get big" on AC, pushing year-round service with PNW, even California customers.
That's a pipe dream, I guess, but wouldn't it be great to see YVR pushing beyond its preconceived route and service barriers.

SFUVancouver · #**10180** Posted **Oct 17, 2016, 9:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

YVR-DEL starts Oct 20. It looks like they had a PR event last week at the vancouver art gallery with local travel agents, south asian media and the consul general of india. Big question - will the service be made year-round?

http://www.travelweek.ca/news/build-bett...da-launches-direct-delhi-service-ex-yvr/

http://www.voiceonline.com/air-canadas-e...-ready-for-takeoff-beginning-october-20/

Interesting that the dollar value of $100million was put out there as the price of a Dreamliner; that's less than half its list price. It pulls back the curtain a bit on Air Canada's discount from Boeing.