YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 508

trofirhen · #**10141** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Let the rampant speculation begin!

I'm not sure what Thai's schedule for taking possession of it's new A350s are but so far they only have a couple that I know of now. I guess one of their 788s could just do it and a 789 could definitely do it. Seems a bit early for a Thai route though.

Asiana could be a possibility, but from what I've heard from you and seen elsewhere they are not boosting their North American operations heavily at this point. Could always change though.

Hong Kong Airlines or their parent Hainan are the most likely IMO out of Asia, not nearly colourful enough though!

Colourful just about cancels about any European airline out with all their Eurowhite liveries! I guess Norwegian does have a lot of colour and they have been expanding to North America pretty heavily of late. Could be them, though I'd put that pretty low in the probability department. Same with WOW airlines.

My guess is going to be Volaris or VivaAerobus. Both are colourful, and meet your carefully worded description of 'pretty major'.

Let's try and guess, using pictures. I typed in colorful Asian airliners
on google, to 'images' and got a batch.

https://images3.kenwoodtravel.co.uk/thumbs/798x464/gallery/vietnam-airline.jpg

http://www.airlines-inform.com/upload/reviews_pictures/1000-upload-iblock-d9d-airasia-x_com.jpg
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...ress_Airways_Boeing_737-800_Spijkers.jpg

https://inmytincan.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/thai-thai.jpg

trofirhen · #**10142** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 8:29 PM**

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.....I think a number of people have noticed that WestJet appears to be developing stronger and stronger relationships with Skyteam. They get along with Oneworld, bit it Skyteam just stands out. Time will tell what happens. I would love for them to become full members.

hmm, imagine them doing a lower-cost regular Paris Orly-YVR (thinking totally selfishly here, of course)...

casper · #**10143** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 3:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

hmm, imagine them doing a lower-cost regular Paris Orly-YVR (thinking totally selfishly here, of course)...

You have my vote on that. Every time I go to Paris it is always on the opposite end of the city. You get off the flight then tat the RER for an hour to the opposite end f the city. An Orly flight option would be sweet.

mezzanine · #**10144** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 5:35 AM**

It could also be Star alliance's newest member/junior partner, Juneyao airlines out of their shanghai hub. Not sure how a new chinese airline will fit with the bilateral, but they want to have new intercontinental routes and if they horse trade with other airlines/CAAC for a slot at YVR, i'm sure they'll make a go of it.

Their red livery is colorful too..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneyao_Airlines

LeftCoaster · #**10145** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 6:31 PM**

If it is VivaAerobus apparently it wouldn't be their first time at YVR:

https://www.instagram.com/jwolfe.aviation/

trofirhen · #**10146** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 7:48 PM**

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trofirhen · #**10147** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 7:55 PM**

Great to have this new airline. Looked it up and it's Mexican low cost (as most already knew) and they have only limited internal Mexico City > other major Mexican cities, ex: not Monterrey only Torreon is a nothwards destination, others to Baja, Gudalajara, Cancun, and other resorts.
This airline is very "local" in character, (and that may be a good sign). Either they're seasonal / resort material, or they will provide new year-round routes.
Perhaps as, or more importantly, VIVA has a larger hub at Guadalajara and apparently yhe largest at Monterrey, which currently has the only non domestic flight: MTY-IAH.
Could all this this possibly mean what I hope it means?

https://www.vivaaerobus.com/en/destinations/all-destinations#image6

SFUVancouver · #**10148** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 8:13 PM**

If we're doing rampant speculation, I could see Norwegian eventually planting a flag in YVR. Their 787s have the legs and the low-cost-to-Europe market is definitely healthy. I also love the look of their planes.

Norwegian 787

Source: Airliners.net Bernie Leighton

I understand that there is some hold-up for them to get access to Canada because of their multiple Air Operating Certificates, but that will get resolved in time.

trofirhen · #**10149** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 8:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

If we're doing rampant speculation, I could see Norwegian eventually planting a flag in YVR. Their 787s have the legs and the low-cost-to-Europe market is definitely healthy. I also love the look of their planes.

Norwegian 787

Source: Airliners.net Bernie Leighton

Hey, I have been thinkng the same thing. In fact, wealthy Norwegians who want to fly to Tahiti follow an arc that cuts about through the northern third of Vancouver Island.
I wonder if that might interest them? Yeah, I love their cool, sleekly painted planes, too. Imaging Norwegian doing an Oslo - Vancouver - Tahiti thing, even seasonally!
*OK, sir, a question to you: what would Norwegian get out of a YVR route? Their market? Johnny warned not to expect an array of European destinations.
But, yes, I'd love it if Norwegian could in some way find YVR viable and profitable. Would Oslo make a good low-cost destination for YVR pax? *Feedback on this one very welcome. Thank you.
(Though, frankly, they're liable to get no more than YYZ if they get anything in Canada)

SFUVancouver · #**10150** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 9:27 PM**

Norwegian is complicated and doesn't function like a traditional legacy airline. In addition to operating as an European continental low-cost carrier, they're also a long-haul low-cost carrier that bears more resemblance to Jetstar or Air Asia X with a la carte service on long-thin routes using modern equipment and high-density cabins.

To complicate things further, Norwegian utilizes four air operating certificates (two in Norway, one in the UK, and one in Ireland). The US currently only allows service using one of the Norwegian air operating certificate entities, but Norwegian can still share planes within the entire group and operate flights to the US from bases spread across Europe. Norwegian currently operates flights with 787 equipment to LAX, JFK, Boston, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale, San Juan Puerto Rico, and St. Croix US Virgin Islands flying from Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Paris, and London Gatwick.

Here's a good interview with the president of Norwegian, who seems like a rambunctious and pugilistic character, which are traits appropriate for an executive taking on incumbent legacy carriers.

https://skift.com/2016/10/06/norwegian-air-ceo-interview-regulators-and-airlines-are-afraid-of-us/

Norwegian also intends to operate transatlantic service with B737Max-8 aircraft when those join their fleet, and is building up a long-haul base in Barcelona.

trofirhen · #**10151** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Norwegian is complicated and doesn't function like a traditional legacy airline. In addition to operating as an European continental low-cost carrier, they're also a long-haul low-cost carrier that bears more resemblance to Jetstar or Air Asia X with a la carte service on long-thin routes using modern equipment and high-density cabins.

To complicate things further, Norwegian utilizes four air operating certificates (two in Norway, one in the UK, and one in Ireland). The US currently only allows service using one of the Norwegian air operating certificate entities, but Norwegian can still share planes within the entire group and operate flights to the US from bases spread across Europe. Norwegian currently operates flights with 787 equipment to LAX, JFK, Boston, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale, San Juan Puerto Rico, and St. Croix US Virgin Islands flying from Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Paris, and London Gatwick.

Here's a good interview with the president of Norwegian, who seems like a rambunctious and pugilistic character, which are traits appropriate for an executive taking on incumbent legacy carriers.

https://skift.com/2016/10/06/norwegian-air-ceo-interview-regulators-and-airlines-are-afraid-of-us/

Norwegian also intends to operate transatlantic service with B737Max-8 aircraft when those join their fleet, and is building up a long-haul base in Barcelona.

"En bref," might they gain access to Canada, and if so, to YVR, do you think?

LeftCoaster · #**10152** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

"En bref," might they gain access to Canada, and if so, to YVR, do you think?

Maybe.

LeftCoaster · #**10153** Posted **Oct 14, 2016, 12:09 AM**

Sultan of Brunei's plane was at YVR yesterday. Not sure what it was doing there but not a shabby looking 747-8...

https://www.instagram.com/planelovers15/?hl=en

mezzanine · #**10154** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 4:00 AM**

I was wondering if/when AC was going to expand the international MLL. If AC really wanted to build YVR into a major hub with all the new transborder and intl flights coming in, the intl MLL was getting pretty cramped. It looks like they are finally working on an expansion, which bodes well for future YVR plans with AC.

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In addition to the new Newark Liberty airport lounge, Air Canada is investing in the customer airport experience throughout its network with a new Montreal international Maple Leaf Lounge opening in November 2016, an expanded Vancouver international Maple Leaf Lounge opening in summer 2017, a new Saskatoon domestic Maple Leaf Lounge opening in fall 2017, and refurbishments planned for its domestic Maple Leaf Lounges at Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in 2017.

http://news.morningstar.com/all/canada-n...leaf-lounge-opens-at-newark-airport.aspx

Looking forward to the YVR-DEL kickoff next week!

Klazu · #**10155** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 4:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Sultan of Brunei's plane was at YVR yesterday. Not sure what it was doing there but not a shabby looking 747-8...

I wonder which penthouse(s) got bought this time...

trofirhen · #**10156** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 3:56 PM**

Could anyone tell SSP forum WHERE viva.aerobus is going to serve, and when? // Will it be seasonal, or year-round? // Will the destinations be new ones, or existing ones? Thank you

Denscity · #**10157** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Could anyone tell SSP forum WHERE viva.aerobus is going to serve, and when? // Will it be seasonal, or year-round? // Will the destinations be new ones, or existing ones? Thank you

Aerobus was just a guess not confirmed. All we know is that the livery is brightly coloured and will probably fly to Asia.

trofirhen · #**10158** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 6:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Aerobus was just a guess not confirmed. All we know is that the livery is brightly coloured and will probably fly to Asia.

Thank you, although this surprises me a little, as they are a Mexican airline, with all intra-Mexico flights, the exception being Monterrey - Houston.

Klazu · #**10159** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Let's try and guess, using pictures. I typed in colorful Asian airliners on google, to 'images' and got a batch.

Vietnam Airlines would be nice, A350 or a Dreamliner. The latter has seen some serious aerial action!

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Johnny Aussie · #**10160** Posted **Oct 16, 2016, 6:40 AM**

Hmmmm. VivaAerobús planning to fly to Asia?! Awesomeness!

Hope they fly via YVR!

Although come to think of it... not sure they'd make it on their brand spanking new A320neos they have on order.

Maybe a routing MEX-YVR-PKC-NRT?

PKC - Petropavlovsk could become the new Reykjavik offering some super duper stopover packages on the way to and from.

Don't think VivaAerobús is quite colourful enough though... Need more colour on the vertical stabiliser.