stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C - Page 62

Metro-One · #**1221** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 9:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

If it was up to Translink, it would be a 6 lane bridge.

Exactly, it is what the had in mind form the get go but New Westminster blocked them at every turn.

They are essentially building a 6 lane bridge still, but sadly to duck and dive from New West's punches, doing it in a far more gradual covert manner.

Metro-One · #**1222** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 9:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but why don't they fix up the bridge and make it like the high line in New York? It would be something interesting to have and keep the heritage structure. They can definitely fix the bridge up structurally.

This has been mentioned / discussed countless times.

The cost to bring the bridge back up to code is far to high to make retaining the existing bridge an option, even for just a park.

They stated that with a new bridge or not in place come the early 2020's the bridge will have to be shut down. Not only earthquakes, but even high wind now presents a very real structural failure danger.

The_Henry_Man · #**1223** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Exactly. The GEB was very well designed.

The general design for the Pattullo replacement is also very good. It also suggests that an ultimate build out of 6 lanes is firmly in mind. It is only because of New Westminsters misunderstanding of how a 6 lane bridge does not equate to 6 through lanes that this is being opened as 4 lanes.

I've wondered whether the current design of the new Pattulo and its interchanges have accommodated for the eventual construction of the underground Stormont Connector acting as a seamless freeway link between KGB and SFU and Gaglardi Way. That would be SO convenient for SFU students when SFU can implement express shuttles between their main and Surrey campuses. Also it can take significant traffic off the local streets of New West that its government and residents have so complained and whined about, especially at the Columbia/McBride intersection.

red-paladin · #**1224** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 6:48 PM**

New West is dead set against the Stormont Connector. I once emailed the province asking about it, they said it could still happen one day.

moosejaw · #**1225** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 8:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

New West is dead set against the Stormont Connector. I once emailed the province asking about it, they said it could still happen one day.

Wouldn't the stormont connector take traffic off of New Wests city streets? I assume most of it was a cut and cover tunnel?

Sheba · #**1226** Posted **Oct 13, 2016, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by moosejaw

Wouldn't the stormont connector take traffic off of New Wests city streets? I assume most of it was a cut and cover tunnel?

Most of it would be a tunnel - but where would it start after the bridge? Part of New West would still have to deal with that dreaded traffic.

Maybe their newer younger mayor will be open to it?

cairnstone · #**1227** Posted **Oct 14, 2016, 1:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

New West is dead set against the Stormont Connector. I once emailed the province asking about it, they said it could still happen one day.

I have lived her for 22 years and always found it odd that we have highways and major routes just stop. mcbride is an example of this no connection to the freeway. another example is better streamlining of king george and fraser highway. then there's 72nd st in delta.

retro_orange · #**1228** Posted **Oct 15, 2016, 2:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

The biggest problem still remains: The choke point associated with the merging of 2 lanes into 1 on McBride southbound close to the entrance of the new Pattulo will still be there. To be honest, the new Pattulo bridge should've been 6 lanes at opening and expandable to 8 lanes in the future. Translink and the City of New West have been utterly incompetent from Day 1. Translink should have never been given responsibility in designing and managing road networks. We know that they are extremely biased in only promoting transit options without investing in roads and they will do anything to force cars off the road including artificially force traffic congestion.

Because the extensive road network in the US is so cheap and easy to maintain...

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Originally Posted by Klazu

I am always amazed how bad traffic can be in Seattle and I-5, I-450 and all other major roads are congested even in the evenings. Those huge freeways are also so uncomfortable to drive in rain after dark, making it difficult to see lane markings.

It also always surprises me in what condition roads in America area. I felt so sorry for my tires all around Seattle and its freeways as the surface is so hard and huge potholes are everywhere. I will not complain of our premium highways ever again.

from: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7594058&postcount=464

urbancanadian · #**1229** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 2:32 AM**

Surrey is pushing ahead with the 128 Street connection that would see the road extended north from 108 Avenue/Old Yale Road and down the hill to connect with Bridgeview Drive. Link: http://www.surrey.ca/city-services/21051.aspx

This road has been planned for some time but since the Pattullo Bridge is moving forward, the City of Surrey is looking to complete this project in conjunction with the Translink-led upgrades to the south approach. (Which is why I'm posting this here.)

Here is a diagram of the alignment. The road is planned to be 4 lanes.

http://www.surrey.ca/files/128StreetConnector.pdf

retro_orange · #**1230** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 2:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Surrey is pushing ahead with the 128 Street connection that would see the road extended north from 108 Avenue/Old Yale Road and down the hill to connect with Bridgeview Drive. Link: http://www.surrey.ca/city-services/21051.aspx

This road has been planned for some time but since the Pattullo Bridge is moving forward, the City of Surrey is looking to complete this project in conjunction with the Translink-led upgrades to the south approach. (Which is why I'm posting this here.)

Here is a diagram of the alignment. The road is planned to be 4 lanes.

http://www.surrey.ca/files/128StreetConnector.pdf

It would be great if Surrey did their own River district at the new south end of the new Pattullo bridge. Whats this planned sports complex?

*Also Pattullo is misspelled in the thread title...

Sheba · #**1231** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Surrey is pushing ahead with the 128 Street connection that would see the road extended north from 108 Avenue/Old Yale Road and down the hill to connect with Bridgeview Drive.

Why is Surrey curving the new section of 128th so much? Yes it's going to cut through a treed area, but it will no matter what the alignment is. Trying to curve around most of it and just cut trees along the perimeter seems like it'll remove almost as many trees and make the new section of road longer than it needs to be.

On a side note, OMG Surrey is doing road work! They've been trying to push it all off on developers and we've been waiting to see some action (outside of Surrey Central) for too long.

urbancanadian · #**1232** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 3:42 AM**

^I think it's to lessen the grade since a straight road would be very steep. Also may allow them to sell off more excess land in the future.

WarrenC12 · #**1233** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 5:29 PM**

That's fugly. Should be straight through and they can clean up that 110th and 128th mess.

logicbomb · #**1234** Posted **Oct 25, 2016, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That's fugly. Should be straight through and they can clean up that 110th and 128th mess.

Two issues, the first being the grade. It is way too steep- steeper than the hill on 104th Ave- hence the reason behind the gentle curve. The City is aiming to minimize any potential issues motorists and cyclists would have on the hill, because there have been a few accidents and deaths on that big hill on 104th Ave (which is forcing the City to look at speedbumps in addition to the 30km speed limit they recently implemented.)

The second being slope stability. The 128th extension would go through a riparian area, and the fear here was that a wide straight clearing would have destabilized an already unstable slope.

makr3trkr · #**1235** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 12:11 AM**

In the updated consultation documents (October) they have added a ramp from SB 99A under Scott Road and then back onto King George.

The only purpose I could imagine is to reduce weaving for those exiting to 128th Street, but this requires a new underpass for the Scott ramp.

It seems like an afterthought.

red-paladin · #**1236** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 1:37 AM**

Too bad Surrey isn't pitching in for a overpass/underpass/partial interchange at 128th+Bridgeview and KGB at this time.

BobLoblawsLawBlog · #**1237** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 3:40 AM**

I hate that new bridge design. Really, more gray, concrete bridges like that. There are already 7 bridges like that in Vancouver (and the proposed Massey Tunnel Bridge) which have that same style. Can't we find another architectural style for a bridge?

Stingray2004 · #**1238** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 4:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

I hate that new bridge design. Really, more gray, concrete bridges like that. There are already 7 bridges like that in Vancouver (and the proposed Massey Tunnel Bridge) which have that same style. Can't we find another architectural style for a bridge?

Cable-stayed bridges are not only a very cost-effective design but also a very effective seismic design as they are able to structurally withstand an ~8.5 quake. IOW a 1-in-2,475 year seismic event - the "Big One".

twoNeurons · #**1239** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 5:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog

I hate that new bridge design. Really, more gray, concrete bridges like that. There are already 7 bridges like that in Vancouver (and the proposed Massey Tunnel Bridge) which have that same style. Can't we find another architectural style for a bridge?

I vote for painting the cables alternating white and pink. Or better yet... use glow in the dark paint and make all the lights on the bridge high powered UV blacklights.

CanSpice · #**1240** Posted **Oct 31, 2016, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I vote for painting the cables alternating white and pink. Or better yet... use glow in the dark paint and make all the lights on the bridge high powered UV blacklights.

Nah. One of the defining features of the Pattullo is its blue and orange colours. Paint the cables in blue and orange to reflect that history.