YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 507

Denscity · #**10121** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 6:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Apparently the following routes have been approved by the CAAC for this quarter:

1) YVR - CGO - CTU on 3U (as already mentioned a few posts ago)
2) YVR - NKG - KMG on MU (as speculated a couple of months ago)
3) CAN - YVR - MEX on CZ (as speculated a couple of months ago)

The link was in Chinese which I can't read but I was given the English translation.

Will await to see the schedule info for 2 & 3.

Still more to come

Incredible

Johnny Aussie · #**10122** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 8:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Incredible

It is incredible.... but with the cap in place not much more can come with mainland Chinese carriers to Canada. Still awaiting to hear what Hainan is going to do.

The CZ flights CAN-YVR-MEX are additional flights bringing CZ to its maximum allotment.

MU's and 3U's flights are a reallocation of their already maxed out allotments.

BUT... there is still more to come!

nname · #**10123** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 8:38 AM**

Well, they can still up-gauge and fly bigger plane here with the same frequency.

Maybe CZ will reallocate their A380 to YVR one day instead of serving the AMS route

Johnny Aussie · #**10124** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 9:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Well, they can still up-gauge and fly bigger plane here with the same frequency.

Maybe CZ will reallocate their A380 to YVR one day instead of serving the AMS route

Possible 748i on YVR-PEK on CA next summer.

trofirhen · #**10125** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

#1 To IST an A330 may work. I would not be over concerned with Turkish. They tend to grow slowly and are less disruptive. They also have a local partner in the form of Air Canada.......

2 .......In the case of Vancouver, who is going to provide the local feed to EK? Air Canada not going to want to play nice. WestJet perhaps? However they also have a longer term interest in partnering with Air France, KLM, and Delta.

Thank you again for the reply.
#1: Does this indicate a possible YVR-IST flight, either TK or AC? It would be good to have. (And no I'm not interested in the M3 either.)
#2: Does this mean that Westjet may formally become a Skyteam member? If yes, what time frame would you imagine until? Also, what if any overall impact on air travel in Canada?

nname · #**10126** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 6:17 PM**

KLM will use 787-9 instead of 777-200ER for its daily YVR-AMS flight next summer

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/269301/klm-s17-long-haul-changes-as-of-11oct16/

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In other news, to celebrate the launch of CGO-YVR, round-trip ticket for CGO-YVR-CGO will be on sale for $1000RMB (less than $200CAD) for the month of November, and $1400RMB (less than $300CAD) for December.... Makes you wonder how much subsidy they received for the route...

jmt18325 · #**10127** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

KLM will use 787-9 instead of 777-200ER for its daily YVR-AMS flight next summer

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/269301/klm-s17-long-haul-changes-as-of-11oct16/

They did some shifting at Calgary as well - probably as a result of increases for Edmonton.

nname · #**10128** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

They did some shifting at Calgary as well - probably as a result of increases for Edmonton.

Apparently, that may no longer be the case

Johnny Aussie · #**10129** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 7:11 PM**

The YVR KLM change to 789 doesn't kick in until 3 Sept according to the airlineroute.net post. So it remains 772 for the majority of the summer.

LeftCoaster · #**10130** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The YVR KLM change to 789 doesn't kick in until 3 Sept according to the airlineroute.net post. So it remains 772 for the majority of the summer.

Interesting, could be a decent upguage then if they plan on using the 789 for their 4x per week winter service in 17/18 vs the A330-200 they are running winter 16/17.

Though it does only say it replaces the 772. Seems weird to change the equipment for less than 2 months.

LeftCoaster · #**10131** Posted **Oct 11, 2016, 9:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, I saw that comment.

People forget, and yes we have brought this up many times before.

Transport Canada (Government of Canada) tends to grant access based on O&D and not based on transfer traffic to a particular country.

If you all recall, and I'm too lazy to dig it up again, somebody posted the market size of YVR-IST in comparison to other North American markets. The local O&D was tiny. However, the potential for transit passengers was much larger of course.

That was me who posted those numbers. They were a bit old, but any growth over the few years was likely wiped out over the last 6 months with the turmoil in Turkey. Despite that I would be surprised if TK didn't still want into YVR.

One way I could see YVR getting Transport Canada to loosen up the bilateral for YVR would be if AC was concerned about PAX bleeding to Emirates out of SEA. If AC had some strong figures showing some leech going that way they might be inclined to partner with TK on some sort of alternative to fight that competitive force.

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Hawaiian: I can't recall a discussion about the Islands route(s) and whether HA has a potential place at YVR. Their A330s can't compete with WS?

They don't seem to be interested in serving the route. YVR has a huge amount of O&D to HNL and other destinations in Hawaii, and that is nothing new, so the airport must not mesh with Hawaiian's greater strategy.

Would love to see them at YVR though, they are pretty looking planes.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

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Will await to see the schedule info for 2 & 3.

Still more to come

Always one to keep us on the edge of our seats!

Johnny Aussie · #**10132** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Always one to keep us on the edge of our seats!

Aren't I though... shouldn't have to wait tooo much longer for another pretty major announcement....

And you said you like pretty planes? Should be a fairly colourful addition....

casper · #**10133** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 2:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thank you again for the reply.
#1: Does this indicate a possible YVR-IST flight, either TK or AC? It would be good to have. (And no I'm not interested in the M3 either.)
#2: Does this mean that Westjet may formally become a Skyteam member? If yes, what time frame would you imagine until? Also, what if any overall impact on air travel in Canada?

In the case of #1, I don't know. AC has been expanding service to Europe in weird ways. Not bad, just unexpected ways. Sounds like TK wants to come out to YVR and it would make sense for AC and TK to try and partner with each other.

in the case of #2, I think a number of people have noticed that WestJet appears to be developing stronger and stronger relationships with Skyteam. They get along with Oneworld, bit it Skyteam just stands out. Time will tell what happens. I would love for them to become full members.

excel · #**10134** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Aren't I though... shouldn't have to wait tooo much longer for another pretty major announcement....

And you said you like pretty planes? Should be a fairly colourful addition....

I am rooting for Thai BKK

Johnny Aussie · #**10135** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 2:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

I am rooting for Thai BKK

That would be pretty colourful!

CareerShow · #**10136** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 8:51 AM**

KLM is the only European carrier to really not upguage YVR in the last 5 years. I realize Air France is the same company but still, would be nice to see the route a few more frequencies in the winter on something other than a 332. Also is AF 3 or 5 weekly in the winter?

Johnny Aussie · #**10137** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 8:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

KLM is the only European carrier to really not upguage YVR in the last 5 years. I realize Air France is the same company but still, would be nice to see the route a few more frequencies in the winter on something other than a 332. Also is AF 3 or 5 weekly in the winter?

Yeah KLM has been pretty stagnant at YVR. In fact latest schedule change shows next summer back to a daily 333.

AF is 3 weekly in winter on 772s.

LeftCoaster · #**10138** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Aren't I though... shouldn't have to wait tooo much longer for another pretty major announcement....

And you said you like pretty planes? Should be a fairly colourful addition....

Let the rampant speculation begin!

I'm not sure what Thai's schedule for taking possession of it's new A350s are but so far they only have a couple that I know of now. I guess one of their 788s could just do it and a 789 could definitely do it. Seems a bit early for a Thai route though.

Asiana could be a possibility, but from what I've heard from you and seen elsewhere they are not boosting their North American operations heavily at this point. Could always change though.

Hong Kong Airlines or their parent Hainan are the most likely IMO out of Asia, not nearly colourful enough though!

Colourful just about cancels about any European airline out with all their Eurowhite liveries! I guess Norwegian does have a lot of colour and they have been expanding to North America pretty heavily of late. Could be them, though I'd put that pretty low in the probability department. Same with WOW airlines.

My guess is going to be Volaris or VivaAerobus. Both are colourful, and meet your carefully worded description of 'pretty major'.

CareerShow · #**10139** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 7:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yeah KLM has been pretty stagnant at YVR. In fact latest schedule change shows next summer back to a daily 333.

AF is 3 weekly in winter on 772s.

Five weekly in the summer though correct? I guess that classifies as an upgrade from AF KLM, as im sure much of the traffic originally transiting through Amsterdam has shifted to travel through CDG. I just wonder if KLM has been hurting on the route in recent years.

Johnny Aussie · #**10140** Posted **Oct 12, 2016, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

Five weekly in the summer though correct? I guess that classifies as an upgrade from AF KLM, as im sure much of the traffic originally transiting through Amsterdam has shifted to travel through CDG. I just wonder if KLM has been hurting on the route in recent years.

Yes, AF is 5 weekly in summer, 3 in winter. KL daily in summer, 4 weekly winter (was 5 weekly until this winter)

When AF commenced flights that was a major boost in capacity for AF/KLM. But definitely one would expect what you mentioned and some traffic would have shifted from transiting AMS to CDG. They are adjusting capacity accordingly.