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"Core area"?!!?!?!?!
Well, compared to Burritts Rapids and Constance Bay, that's a core area!
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They were already fixing it this morning. But seriously, how could no one have seen the preliminary stages and said "wait a second, this doesn't line up"
I wonder if the eventual solution for bike lanes on Booth will require some of the sidewalk space on either side of the roadway, resulting in a second move of this fire hydrant back to its original position by 2018.
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Brilliant! There must have been all kinds of sticking heads in the sand about this.

Yeah, a design error but it isn't my responsibility to say something. Until the project is almost ready to open.
I think they should have left it as a warning to the others.
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City relocates sidewalk-blocking hydrant on new Booth St. bridge

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 2, 2016 | Last Updated: September 2, 2016 12:10 PM EDT




The city avoided being labelled a walk-blocker Friday, directing workers to remove a sidewalk fire hydrant on the new Booth Street bridge before the crossing opens.

Taxpayers won’t have to shell out more money on top of the $2.1 billion they’re already paying the Rideau Transit Group to build the Confederation Line LRT. The project includes the reconstructed Booth Street bridge, which opens to traffic Sunday.

Steve Cripps, who’s in charge of the city’s rail office, said the hydrant was “improperly located,” so it was dug up Friday at the cost of the contractor.

The hydrant is meant to service the future Pimisi LRT station, Cripps said. The LRT line is scheduled to open in 2018. Cripps said the hydrant will be installed “in a location that will be in keeping with city design standards” prior the station opening.

Cripps said the reinstallation will be at the contractor’s expense, too.

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Old Posted Sep 9, 2016, 4:20 PM
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Businesses fear impact of Beechwood bike lanes
As Beechwood Avenue gets closer to its complete street dream, shop owners are worried the loss of storefront parking will be bad for business.

By: Emma Jackson Metro Published on Thu Sep 08 2016


As Beechwood Avenue undergoes its complete street makeover, shop owners fear the new bike lanes will be bad for business.

The complete street project started this week, with city crews painting bike lanes in both directions from Putman Avenue to Springfield Road and Charlevoix Street and cutting vehicle lanes in half.

The changes will have an impact on Beechwood’s parking, which will drop from 56 spots currently in off-peak hours to only 29.

While the total number of parking spots in the neighbourhood will actually go up by as many as 61 spots during peak hours, side street parking just doesn’t cut it, said Monique Dugas, who owns Clothes Encounters consignment shop.

“People have all their clothes to drop off,” she said, arguing her customers need the door-to-door service. “At the flower shop (next door), do you think people are going to carry all their flowers if they’re going to a wedding or a funeral?”

She predicted the street’s boutiques and specialty shops will eventually close because of the changes.

Rideau-Rockcliffe Coun. Tobi Nussbaum said he’s “sensitive” to the merchants’ concerns, but cited a parking utilization study which found only 32 per cent of Beechwood’s spots were being used during rush hour. Off-peak parking rates were even lower, between 25 and 27 per cent, even on weekends. Studies of nearby side-street parking were similar.

“It’s very hard to make the argument that this is going to cause hardship,” Nussbaum said.

Jamie Kwong, director of the Quarter Vanier BIA, said she’d like the city to at least post some wayfinding signs to help customers find the new side street parking spots.

“These are the concessions they need to make to help minimize the amount of impact to our local businesses,” she said.

Nussbaum said that’s “in the works.”

The reconfiguration is a short-term solution until the corridor is rebuilt in the distant future, and Nussbaum is the first to admit it’s not ideal.

For the next eight months, for example, the bike lane from St. Patrick Bridge won’t connect to Beechwood over the Vanier Parkway, leaving a 200-metre gap on the north side and a 130-metre gap on the south.

City crews will fix that next spring once curbs can be reconfigured to make more room, Nussbaum said.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2016/09/08/businesses-fear-impact-of-beechwood-bike-lanes.html
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What is Clothes Encounter's business model if the two or three spots in front of the shop are already full?
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As Beechwood Avenue gets closer to its complete street dream, shop owners are worried the loss of storefront parking will be bad for business.
Research shows that the opposite is true: http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2015/03...g-street-parking-into-bike-lanes/387595/

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If people can walk 200m across a huge parking lot when they drive to Walmart, they can walk 50m down a side street when they drive to a store on Beechwood.
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"She predicted the street’s boutiques and specialty shops will eventually close because of the changes."

Over dramatic much? Sounds like the owner of Clothes Encounters is seriously crying wolf.

Even being generous and business goes down a bit while people get used to the new norm of having to walk an extra 100 meters to a side street, I sincerely doubt it would be enough to cause many shops to close down.
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"She predicted the street’s boutiques and specialty shops will eventually close because of the changes."

Over dramatic much? Sounds like the owner of Clothes Encounters is seriously crying wolf.

Even being generous and business goes down a bit while people get used to the new norm of having to walk an extra 100 meters to a side street, I sincerely doubt it would be enough to cause many shops to close down.
People fear change. It is easy for us to make these predictions, but we don't have any skin in the game. When it is your lively-hood, you tend to become overly cautious.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2016, 5:25 PM
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Councillor commits to looking into street closure in Vanier

By Michelle Nash Baker
Ottawa East News, Sep 30, 2016


The conversation about Emond Street has finally hit a dead end.

It’s been a rough summer for residents living on Emond Street in Vanier.

Emond has the benefit of a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 at one end and a children's park at the other, Mixed in are homes.

In the spring, residents met with Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury to discuss their desire to close off the street to Montreal Road traffic.

They feel the idea is simple – close the street just after the businesses and issues would stop: johns circling, speeding, crime and disorderly patrons from area businesses.

“A street closure has been shown to eliminate these types of issues,” said long-time resident Kathryn Greer-Close.

On Sept. 29, Fleury hosted a meeting to address the frustrations. He invited residents, the owners of the Playmate 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵 at the building at 175 Montreal Rd., Stephane Godard of the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario, and community police officer Jonathan Kenney.

Playmate owner Patrick Campeau said he is open to listening to residents’ concerns, as well as their ideas to fix the problem.

For Greer-Close, as well as her neighbours Charlotte Taylor, Grant Mcneill, Karen Fuoco, John Maloney and Babette Tasse, the only answer they will consider is a road closure.

According to Greer-Close, there are studies showing crime can be reduced by design and there are studies showing the crimes and dangers they are experiencing can be significantly reduced by the simple and cheap insertion of two posts and a chain between the residences and the businesses, to block through traffic.

Campeau said if there are studies and this is what would improve the quality of life of the neighbours, he would support it.

“If it works, then it’s an easy fix,” Campeau said. “If there are proven facts with police then you've got a pretty good solution for little effort.”

The meeting was heated at times, but between Fleury, residents and Campeau the end result was something everyone was happy with.

Fleury committed to seeking a temporary closure – but wanted to be clear that a closure might not end all the activity residents are concerned about.

The timeline is not set and Fleury said he still needs to knock on doors along the street to ensure that is what everyone wants. Campeau said he would bring the idea forward to other tenants in the Playmate's building, and then Fleury will seek a closure at transportation committee, and then city council.

“I’m comfortable going back and saying we are looking for a temporary closure and look at permanent closure for 2018,” Fleury said at the end of the meeting.

Montreal Road is scheduled for renewal in 2018. Currently Fleury is seeking residents' input on what changes – small or large – they would like to see, so he can submit them for consideration.

The idea to close the road is not a new one. The old city of Vanier’s secondary plan suggested the closure of side streets Emond, Olmstead, Cyr and Dupuis streets. Dupuis was the first street the old city of Vanier closed.

The thought was that prior to amalgamation, the city of Vanier wanted to redevelop and rebrand the area as a francophone district. By closing off the side streets it was thought to create quaint and decorative areas along Montreal Road.

Currently, Dupuis Street has park benches and pedestrian-friendly access.

Lampposts, red brick walls, granite sidewalks were part of this redevelopment plan, only money ran out in the late 1980s early 1990s and then soon after came amalgamation.

The city amended the Official Plan, including the Montreal Road secondary plan in 2013, where according to acting general manager of the planning and growth management department Michael Mizzi, there was some discussion with residents at two public meetings, and a presentation at a Vanier Community Association and a Vanier BIA meeting about the closure of streets.

Mizzi said the discussion brought forward differing opinions.

“During the open house discussion about the potential closure of the streets, city staff informed residents that the closure of the streets was not proposed to be carried forward in the new Montreal Road secondary plan,” Mizzi said in an email.

At that spring meeting with the councillor, short term solutions included speed signs, as well as parking on alternating sides of the street, and adding parking and planters to encourage slower traffic.

During this past summer, residents seemed exasperated.

Between July and September, residents called 911, emailed the councillor, reported to 311 and their community police officer about:

* Dangerous driving – a man who appeared to be on drugs backed right into the city's planters, then got out to ask why the planters are there; another car raced down the street going what seemed like 100 kilometres per hour.
According to the resident, the man was amazed when told the planters were there to stop speeding.

*Crime – drug deals, 🞵🞵🞵 workers and johns, one resident was threatened by a man who said he would put a bullet in her head; gunshots have also been reported; porch chairs stolen; open drug use constantly seen

*Fights – Three men got into an argument shouting, swearing and fighting in front of a resident’s house at 12:30 a.m.

*Property standards – garbage strewn across the area and broken glass and graffiti

Greer-Close said this is a typical list of problems, mostly occurring Thursday to Saturday between 11 p.m. to 3 a.m.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-...o-looking-into-street-closure-in-vanier/
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no no no no no no no no no.

No.
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As long as a pedestrian link is maintained through to Montreal Road I don't see why closing is a bad idea. It would impede motor traffic without causing any harm to pedestrian and cyclist flow.
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As long as a pedestrian link is maintained through to Montreal Road I don't see why closing is a bad idea. It would impede motor traffic without causing any harm to pedestrian and cyclist flow.
But the legitimate traffic it impedes, probably the vast majority at that, will just flow to the next street, adding to that street's existing traffic, making the problem even worse over there.

This just moves the issue instead of solving it. Sounds like the typical Ottawa solution to traffic woes.
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But the legitimate traffic it impedes, probably the vast majority at that, will just flow to the next street, adding to that street's existing traffic, making the problem even worse over there.

This just moves the issue instead of solving it. Sounds like the typical Ottawa solution to traffic woes.
Maybe the city should just close down all roads and have people get to places by chopper! (Don't forget, at their own expense)
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no no no no no no no no no.

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Why? It has been done in many other neighbourhoods. If they get their neighbourhood association and the parallel streets on side (more than the one street would need to be closed off), they will almost certainly succeed in getting at least the "temporary" chain barriers a la Lowertown (installed about 20 years ago, for similar reasons). Although it would be vastly easier if they were a more prosperous or at least gentrifying area.
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As long as a pedestrian link is maintained through to Montreal Road I don't see why closing is a bad idea. It would impede motor traffic without causing any harm to pedestrian and cyclist flow.
When you close off intersections to vehicular traffic, it allows the traffic to flow even faster, and more dangerously, on the main street. A good main street has lots of active intersections. Blocking even more of them (there are already at least two on the main part of Montreal Road in Vanier) will turn what should be a growing main street into a traffic sewer.

This is a very dumb idea, which is why Fleury is all over it. He and Nussbaum will be inflicting the same on Beechwood soon enough.
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Why? It has been done in many other neighbourhoods.
Yes, like on Rideau Street on its eastern end, in the name of "urban renewal" in the 1960s. Rideau has never recovered.

Main streets need lots of cross-cutting traffic in order to be successful.

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AFAIK there is no official neighbourhood association in that area, and even if there is, to hell with neighbourhood associations.

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and the parallel streets on side (more than the one street would need to be closed off), they will almost certainly succeed in getting at least the "temporary" chain barriers a la Lowertown (installed about 20 years ago, for similar reasons).
Dumb then and there; dumb now and along Montreal Road.

I know of a dead-end street not far from Emond which is littered with condoms every morning. Nice, quiet, traffic-calmed spot for John to go on a "date" at three in the morning.
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A good Main street:
1. has lots of connectivity
2. is easily traversable

Having lots of intersections is one way to do it, but its very blunt and can often undermine those very elements. You can accomplish this without vehicular intersections by replacing them with good pedestrian crossings (either signalized and/or curb extensions, crossing refuges, raised crossings, etc.

We would do well not to mistake correlation with causality.
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The key issue here is crime, not traffic flow, and whether or not this closure would actually function as a deterrent.

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"Fleury committed to seeking a temporary closure – but wanted to be clear that a closure might not end all the activity residents are concerned about."
Smart thinking by Fleury because closing this street is not going to be the Hail Mary the residents expect it to be.

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"Currently, Dupuis Street has park benches and pedestrian-friendly access."
Hahahahaha those benches were removed years and years ago... guess why

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* Dangerous driving – a man who appeared to be on drugs backed right into the city's planters, then got out to ask why the planters are there; another car raced down the street going what seemed like 100 kilometres per hour.
You get the same 🞵🞵🞵🞵 on Dupuis even with it closed. There is still reckless driving as people whip down to the end of Dupuis, not realizing it is a dead end until they nearly ram into the bollards, then whip it into reverse and reverse the full length at 80km/h back to Levis, angrily peeling out to recoup some of the 15 seconds wasted. Meanwhile the stop sign at Dupuis/Levis, at best treated as a yield, but largely straight up ignored since vehicular traffic coming off Dupuis is rare and traffic enforcement non-existent.

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*Crime – drug deals, 🞵🞵🞵 workers and johns, one resident was threatened by a man who said he would put a bullet in her head; gunshots have also been reported; porch chairs stolen; open drug use constantly seen
Closed street gives a lot more space for congregating. More room for shenanigans if you don't have to dodge cars and hide from police patrols! Great opportunities for long-term loitering without eyes from all those pesky cars looking at ya!

For a largely residential street like Emond with less traffic driving by I expect you would see instances of theft, break-ins, and property crime go up as the street becomes more secluded.

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*Fights – Three men got into an argument shouting, swearing and fighting in front of a resident’s house at 12:30 a.m.
I'm not sure how closing the street to vehicular traffic will reduce this... they didn't carpool there to start a fight... the problem is the Playmate

Residents of Emond St - careful what you wish for...

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