YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Orcair]

Originally Posted by excel

Transfers from mainline.

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Aren't some of them from other sources?

AFAIK, some have come from Hawaiian and Caribbean, alongside the mainline transfers - the Hawaiian ones had the 777-esque overhead bins from the start, although I don't know if Rouge retrofitted them to the old AC ones?

[jmt18325]

I've never been on a 777, but both of the Rouge 767s I was on (one with winglets, one without) had bins that went flush into the ceiling.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR is being led by a very competent leader with a fantastic team who really seem to have the right stuff to forge YVR into the future. He knows who his competitors are and is pursuing their next phase of expansion carefully but they know they need to move fast. YVR's list of new / additional international and transborder services that I have provided recently just indicates how much YVR has gained and is still to gain in the near future. They will have to move fast and I am confident they will.

As I was saying...

http://www.aci-na.org/newsroom/press-rel...’s-richmond-visionary-leadership-award

[excel]

Originally Posted by Orcair

AFAIK, some have come from Hawaiian and Caribbean, alongside the mainline transfers - the Hawaiian ones had the 777-esque overhead bins from the start, although I don't know if Rouge retrofitted them to the old AC ones?

Thanks for the clarification.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As I was saying...

http://www.aci-na.org/newsroom/press-rel...’s-richmond-visionary-leadership-award

Thanks for that reinforcement, Johnny. Craig Richmond is our man. He will lead YVR forward with the best know-how in the industry. We can be confident with him at the helm.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

Saw someone airliners mention YVR-MAN on AC Rouge starting April.. wonder that's really happening or just an fantasy...

Hmm interesting. As much as AC to MAN would be interesting, the route is already served by 3xPW Transat. Would be nice to see a new 763 open up a new route, but I'm just being picky

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As for rouge my source tells me (at least) one of the 763s coming online next year will be added to the YVR base.... still unconfirmed. MAN, GLA, NGO, CDG still possibilities.

Sounds like anything that is currently a Transast route is in play! Has AC stated how many 763s they would like stationed at YVR?

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, but the pressure AC put on it was blocked by the Canadian side. I highly doubt AC will cease its opposition because China wants 100 flights per week.
Talks will definitely be ongoing but I wouldn't expect any movement without concessions being offered. AC still has plenty of unused slots.

You're quite likely right, I doubt AC would tone down the pressure, but the alternative is the Chinese could turn up the pressure. There are a lot of ways the Chinese government could put pressure on the feds to open up more routes, or ways they could offer more of a carrot as opposed to the stick.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hmm interesting. As much as AC to MAN would be interesting, the route is already served by 3xPW Transat. Would be nice to see a new 763 open up a new route, but I'm just being picky



Sounds like anything that is currently a Transast route is in play! Has AC stated how many 763s they would like stationed at YVR?



You're quite likely right, I doubt AC would tone down the pressure, but the alternative is the Chinese could turn up the pressure. There are a lot of ways the Chinese government could put pressure on the feds to open up more routes, or ways they could offer more of a carrot as opposed to the stick.

TS is only twice weekly to MAN and once weekly to GLA.

NGO is definitely in play and is a serious contender for new flights (well another long time abandoned route that will most likely be reinstated soon).

Apparently the Chinese were putting on a lot of pressure but got nowhere this time. Hmmmm.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

TS is only twice weekly to MAN and once weekly to GLA.

Weird, their website shows bookings available for Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday next summer YVR-MAN direct aboard A330-200s.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

NGO is definitely in play and is a serious contender for new flights (well another long time abandoned route that will most likely be reinstated soon).

Apparently the Chinese were putting on a lot pressure but got nowhere this time. Hmmmm.

NGO would be a great connection, not even LAX flies there as far as I can tell.

Will be interesting to see if the Chinese tactic changes. I doubt they would be pressing for another round of negotiations if they were going to go in with the same playbook. Given their geopolitical heft I'm sure they can pull some more strings they didn't first time around.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

NGO would be a great connection, not even LAX flies there as far as I can tell.

Will be interesting to see if the Chinese tactic changes. I doubt they would be pressing for another round of negotiations if they were going to go in with the same playbook. Given their geopolitical heft I'm sure they can pull some more strings they didn't first time around.

Isn't NGO Nagoya, Japan?
If so, two questions please: Firstly, why would NGO be such a great connection; secondly how does the Chinese governement fit in here, if this is Japan? Thank you.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Weird, their website shows bookings available for Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday next summer YVR-MAN direct aboard A330-200s.



NGO would be a great connection, not even LAX flies there as far as I can tell.

Will be interesting to see if the Chinese tactic changes. I doubt they would be pressing for another round of negotiations if they were going to go in with the same playbook. Given their geopolitical heft I'm sure they can pull some more strings they didn't first time around.

You are right! I forgot next summer one of the YYC-MAN flights will now originate in YVR. 3 weekly it is!

NGO was a decent route 5 x per week during the old CP days. It's on AC's rouge radar.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Isn't NGO Nagoya, Japan?
If so, two questions please: Firstly, why would NGO be such a great connection; secondly how does the Chinese governement fit in here, if this is Japan? Thank you.

NGO was a decent route flown by CP back in the 90s... It's ripe for the picking again a la rouge.

Japan has outsourced its bilateral negotiations to China.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

NGO was a decent route flown by CP back in the 90s... It's ripe for the picking again a la rouge.

Japan has outsourced its bilateral negotiations to China.

Really that much of a cost savings vs. Kansai? Or is it that for some the different destination will be a draw, but the price sensitive any airport in Japan is fine?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Really that much of a cost savings vs. Kansai? Or is it that for some the different destination will be a draw, but the price sensitive any airport in Japan is fine?

NGO is the third largest source of visitors to YVR (and Canada as a whole) after Tokyo and Osaka of course. FUK is #4 well ahead of #5 CTS. To put it in perspective both the NGO-YVR and FUK-YVR markets are much larger than the entire Japan-Edmonton market. And NGO-YVR is larger than KIX-YYC. My point is YVR-NGO is the next likely rouge destination to Japan from Canada given the aircraft capabilities and market size. Even 2 -3 per week would be good.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Isn't NGO Nagoya, Japan?
If so, two questions please: Firstly, why would NGO be such a great connection; secondly how does the Chinese governement fit in here, if this is Japan? Thank you.

Nagoya is a metro of 9.1 million residents with no direct service to mainland North America, how would that not be a great connection?

And like Johnny said bilateral services have been outsourced to China for cost savings purposes.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

You are right! I forgot next summer one of the YYC-MAN flights will now originate in YVR. 3 weekly it is!

So is one of them a circuit? When I went back and looked it seems like there are 3 outbound per week but only 2 inbound. Knowing AT I'm guessing one route goes YVR-MAN-YYC-YVR-MAN?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Nagoya is a metro of 9.1 million residents with no direct service to mainland North America, how would that not be a great connection?

And like Johnny said bilateral services have been outsourced to China for cost savings purposes.



So is one of them a circuit? When I went back and looked it seems like there are 3 outbound per week but only 2 inbound. Knowing AT I'm guessing one route goes YVR-MAN-YYC-YVR-MAN?

DL does actually fly NGO-DTW but that is only b/c of the auto industry.

And you are right again about TS. Perhaps they do position the second MAN-YYC to YVR as a domestic flight which they seem to be doing on a few now next summer. Would mean all pax get off in YYC and clear customs then reboard as domestic and hence why it doesn't show as direct to YVR. When I have the time and patience later I will investigate that.

I think Japan has only outsourced its bilateral negotiations to China for flights from Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku. Hokkaido still negotiates on its own so any flights to Sapporo would still have to be negotiated directly with Japan and Canada.

[jmt18325]

I'm confused as to why they would outsource to the country that isn't always their friend.

[Hourglass]

@ Johnny @LeftCoaster

Lol

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think Japan has only outsourced its bilateral negotiations to China for flights from Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku. Hokkaido still negotiates on its own so any flights to Sapporo would still have to be negotiated directly with Japan and Canada.

Ugh, so given the Chinese bilateral cap that means no new flights to Tokyo, Osaka or Nagoya until the number of flights are listed. How frustrating.

I guess that increases the odds of seeing a direct to CTS though, so that's a bit of a silver lining.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Ugh, so given the Chinese bilateral cap that means no new flights to Tokyo, Osaka or Nagoya until the number of flights are listed. How frustrating.

I guess that increases the odds of seeing a direct to CTS though, so that's a bit of a silver lining.

Don't forget the cap hasn't been reached on the Canadian side. Unfortunately though that does mean the daily flights from YVR, YYZ and YYC to NRT and the daily YYZ-HND and the 6 weekly YVR-KIX now have to be included on the Canadian side. That still leaves about 7 unused frequencies. So I still see NGO in the picture! It just means any of the new flights won't be on JAL or ANA... although I would highly doubt we would see them on routes to KIX or NGO anyway even if there wasn't the cap being reached.

[jmt18325]

Can I find more information about this combining of caps somewhere? I've looked but I haven't found anything.