LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0

[hughfb3]

Originally Posted by NativeOrange

Are you talking about Hunters chart on the 1st page?

Yes, ok thank you. I checked there. Maybe it just wasn't loading for me last night

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Spantik

Slapped some crappy podiums on there for anyone wondering what the general massing of the development on fig will look like. This is totally vague and not super detailed in any way, this is just for scale, however the heights are all exactly as listed. Also dont mind too many of the buildings in the back, some are u/c but I havent bothered to delete any of the ones that aren't yet so it's not 100% accurate.

Nicely done, thank you! To think that most of this is less than 2 years away is staggering ..what a change

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

A couple of those for the homeless would solve the sidewalk camping problem. Showers, restrooms, counseling, drug & alcohol rehab, job placement, food. Just not enough shelter beds. So they camp on the streets and under bridges and stink and pee on the sidewalks and fall deeper & deeper into hopelessness because they have no place to clean up or use a restroom or get a good nights rest, and we all pretend they don't exist and avert our eyes. People should be allowed to fall only so far before being saved by a no frills "safety net". We can do better as a nation for the homeless, and it won't cost one tenth of 1% of what our endless wars do. Who knows? Perhaps one of you reading this will be homeless one day. Billionaires have their names on concert halls and museums and skyscrapers, and that is fine and good. But if I had a billion dollars, I'd like my name on a homeless shelter or transitional housing.

Not to get to deep into it and veer off course but.... This is all a nice thought, but the issue is that most of the homeless in the streets of dtla arent homeless in the way your thinking. They aren't families down on their financial luck. They are either mentally ill, drug addicts or people who were released early from jail due to ab109 and prop 47. They refuse shelter and rather live on the streets

[Wilcal]

Originally Posted by colemonkee

^ Haha! Fight Rickets! Stop ALL Development!!!

Shhhhhhh! Silverstein may have this site bugged. We don't want to give him more ammo. I wouldn't doubt it if he didn't have his ears and eyeballs everywhere--considering how the scent of money tends to waft so far.

[blackcat23]

City to issue RFP for developer at Angel's Knoll site

[colemonkee]

Nice! This is the best news all week. We should all pool our thoughts together and enter a proposal, funding be damned. I've been thinking of how I would want to develop that site for months. I'm thinking Bjark Ingels as the architect...

[Doctorboffin]

^^LA really needs more parks, so it is a shame to see that one go, but it is exciting to see that prime spot get built up. I just really hope it isn't a small building, but instead it is at least 700 feet. Anything less would be a real shame.

^I would personally love to see SHOP do it, something art deco/ old Hollywood style.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by colemonkee

Nice! This is the best news all week. We should all pool our thoughts together and enter a proposal, funding be damned. I've been thinking of how I would want to develop that site for months. I'm thinking Bjark Ingels as the architect...

Sign me up.. Where do i contribute? ha

I would like to see a rehab of Angels Flight and a nice connection to Grand Central as a prerequisite for the development.

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

^^LA really needs more parks, so it is a shame to see that one go, but it is exciting to see that prime spot get built up. I just really hope it isn't a small building, but instead it is at least 700 feet. Anything less would be a real shame.

^I would personally love to see SHOP do it, something art deco/ old Hollywood style.

I wouldn't exactly call Angels Knoll usable park space, although it is the site of the famous park bench in the film (500) Days of Summer. The city even closed off the little plaza next to the subway station due to, I would assume, homeless congregations.

Besides, the site in question once had buildings on top of it before the Bunker Hill Redevelopment Project.

[StethJeff]

Never understood the fuss around Angels Knoll park. I lived near it for 2.5 years. Aside from a movie that not that many people saw (man, if only LA was featured more in TV and movies, it's a shame), it's a dry slope that wreaks of the piss that accumulates below at the Pershing station mini homeless camp and to the side along the Angels Flight adjacent stairs. Sort of a shithole romanticized by a handful of indie film lovers.

[NativeOrange]

Originally Posted by StethJeff

Never understood the fuss around Angels Knoll park. I lived near it for 2.5 years. Aside from a movie that not that many people saw (man, if only LA was featured more in TV and movies, it's a shame), it's a dry slope that wreaks of the piss that accumulates below at the Pershing station mini homeless camp and to the side along the Angels Flight adjacent stairs. Sort of a shithole romanticized by a handful of indie film lovers.

I agree. I mean, tbh I have taken the same picture where that scene was filmed, but the park itself is nothing special. In fact, that whole intersection has been pretty gross for a while now.

If it weren't directly on top of a subway station, or if it weren't in such a prime bunker hill spot, I would MAYBE feel a little more disdain for the park. But as of right now, it's just an ugly blighted area that really could use some investment.

[IMBY]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

Chinatown needs a few 20+ story apartment towers and more density and some interesting back alleys like SF Chinatown. I want to see ducks painted orange (for Beijing duck) hanging in windows. Authentic. It needs a connection to Dodger Stadium, and Union Station transit hub (perhaps a elevated monorail or gondala?). Would be used year round when the Dodgers build some 25 story apartment buildings in the parking lots. Great views up there. Would sell well. They could call it "Uptown" or "Dodgertown".

Also, I sure miss the old Little Joe's Italian restaurant next to Chinatown. Best Italian food in L.A. in Chinatown. When I was a kid, I used to like going to Little Joe's because I thought "Little Joe" Cartwright from Bonanza owned it. My dad said no, Ben Cartwright did. At least that French dip place Phillipe's is still nearby

Yes, let's develop Chinatown before it moves elsewhere. The Chinatown in NYC is now dwarfed by the New Chinatown in Flushing, out in Queens. And might Monterrey Park be where the New Chinatown might relocate to?

I enjoy staying at the Royal Pagoda Inn in Chinatown, when I'm come to L.A., and I'd be excited to see it flourish!

Sadly, true or not, someone told me that the better Chinese eateries are now out in Monterrey Park. And, yes, I've been there, a couple years ago.

I'll be more than curious to see what becomes of the Angel Knoll's site, for I always eat at a back table at the Central Market, even walked up that hill to The Broad, on my last visit, but I didn't realize that site had development potential. And, being I love old 60's/70's construction, I just love those condo buildings nearby. Let's never tear those down, let's hope they land on the Historic Register, even though I'm sure a number of people posting here will deem them ugly eyesores!

[Wally West]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Yes, let's develop Chinatown before it moves elsewhere.

It's already too late. As you mentioned in your post, Monterrey Park has basically won the title of Chinatown. Hopefully DTLA's Chinatown can make a comeback with these new projects.

BTW I found this update video for the construction of the new LAFC stadium/demolition of Sports Arena.

• Video Link

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Yes, let's develop Chinatown before it moves elsewhere. The Chinatown in NYC is now dwarfed by the New Chinatown in Flushing, out in Queens. And might Monterrey Park be where the New Chinatown might relocate to?

I enjoy staying at the Royal Pagoda Inn in Chinatown, when I'm come to L.A., and I'd be excited to see it flourish!

Sadly, true or not, someone told me that the better Chinese eateries are now out in Monterrey Park. And, yes, I've been there, a couple years ago.

I'll be more than curious to see what becomes of the Angel Knoll's site, for I always eat at a back table at the Central Market, even walked up that hill to The Broad, on my last visit, but I didn't realize that site had development potential. And, being I love old 60's/70's construction, I just love those condo buildings nearby. Let's never tear those down, let's hope they land on the Historic Register, even though I'm sure a number of people posting here will deem them ugly eyesores!

Lots of Chinese money going into the south of Wilshire/Staples area, which is a good thing, but odd that very little of it is going to develop some projects in Chinatown, not only for Chinese but for anyone who wants to live there. That area has real potential. Many more apt towers needed. Lots of density. Interesting shops. Better transit connections to Union Station, DTLA and Dodger Stadium. More people living right there, in Chinatown like they do in SF & NYC. Back in the 1960s, people used to stop in Chinatown for a meal before the Dodger games.

Heck, the area had a great movie named after it. "Jake, it's Chinatown". The L.A. of that era so colorful. "Double Indemnity" another fave, the original L.A. "film noir" if you don't count "Maltese Falcon" set in (boo) Frisco. Fred MacMurray could act & so could Stanwyk with the anklet and Edward G. Robinson with "the little man in my belly" telling him it was murder, not an accident. And they worked in an insurance building on Olive Street right in DTLA.

Chinatown--(re)build it and they will come.

Next time, we'll tackle Olvera Street & the Plaza. So much potential.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

A couple of those for the homeless would solve the sidewalk camping problem. Showers, restrooms, counseling, drug & alcohol rehab, job placement, food. Just not enough shelter beds. So they camp on the streets and under bridges and stink and pee on the sidewalks and fall deeper & deeper into hopelessness because they have no place to clean up or use a restroom or get a good nights rest, and we all pretend they don't exist and avert our eyes. People should be allowed to fall only so far before being saved by a no frills "safety net". We can do better as a nation for the homeless, and it won't cost one tenth of 1% of what our endless wars do. Who knows? Perhaps one of you reading this will be homeless one day. Billionaires have their names on concert halls and museums and skyscrapers, and that is fine and good. But if I had a billion dollars, I'd like my name on a homeless shelter or transitional housing.

Anybody see the story in the L.A.T.s about how Orange County is using rehabed shipping containers as housing for the homeless? Can be done fast & cheap and they don't cost much, because there is a great surplus of the things. In S.F. they are going to stack them up 5 stories and build some real apts.

[BrandonJXN]

Originally Posted by StethJeff

Never understood the fuss around Angels Knoll park. I lived near it for 2.5 years. Aside from a movie that not that many people saw (man, if only LA was featured more in TV and movies, it's a shame), it's a dry slope that wreaks of the piss that accumulates below at the Pershing station mini homeless camp and to the side along the Angels Flight adjacent stairs. Sort of a shithole romanticized by a handful of indie film lovers.

I like Angel's Knoll well enough but it's not really suitable for a park. It's essentially a small mountain. Also (500) Days of Summer was just ok.

But sign me up for BIG developing something BIG on that site.

[black_crow]

Just got an invitation for the Tower II topping-off celebration.

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Yes, let's develop Chinatown before it moves elsewhere. The Chinatown in NYC is now dwarfed by the New Chinatown in Flushing, out in Queens. And might Monterrey Park be where the New Chinatown might relocate to?

I enjoy staying at the Royal Pagoda Inn in Chinatown, when I'm come to L.A., and I'd be excited to see it flourish!

Sadly, true or not, someone told me that the better Chinese eateries are now out in Monterrey Park. And, yes, I've been there, a couple years ago.

As others have said that ship sailed decades ago. The San Gabriel Valley is where the vast majority of Chinese immigrants live and is the focus of boatloads of Chinese investment in the form of million dollar homes and large commercial developments.

There are no Chinese restaurants in Chinatown that can compare with even 2nd tier restaurants in the San Gabriel Valley. Currently, the most exciting eateries in Chinatown are being run by non-Chinese chefs who have moved in to take advantage of low rents on former restaurant spaces.

[jgacis]

This just in from the L.A. Times...

A big Herzog & de Neuron design for the Arts District bets that L.A. will get comfortable with density

By Christopher Hawthorne
September 23, 2016, 6:00 PM

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan by way of Basel, Switzerland, it’s morning again in the Arts District.

At least that’s the upbeat sales pitch suggested by the name of a massive mixed-use development proposed for downtown L.A.’s booming Arts District by the Swiss architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron.

Called 6AM — for its location along 6th Street between Alameda and Mill streets — the project includes 1.96 million square feet of residential space as well as shops, offices, a pair of hotels, room for a charter school and parking, most of it underground, for more than 3,400 cars.

Produced with the Irvine-based developer SunCal and covering 14.5 acres, the complex would be crowned with a pair of 58-story towers along Alameda. Each topping 700 feet, these would be the first skyscrapers in the largely low-rise Arts District.

Given debates about the pace and scale of development now roiling Los Angeles in general and the Arts District in particular, the proposal, which De Meuron and SunCal chief executive Bruce Elieff pitched Friday to Deputy Mayor Raymond Chan and other city officials in advance of filing preliminary plans next week, is likely to be a lightning rod for controversy. In height as well as bulk it would dwarf its neighbors, and the project would require a zone change and general-plan amendment from the city.

The developers certainly seem to be anticipating some blowback. Renderings released to The Times this week show an aerial view of the towers as almost ghostly forms and seen from only one angle: looking northwest, allowing them to blend in with the Bunker Hill skyline. Glimpsed from any other direction they would stand out from the surrounding architecture in a much starker way.

Overall, the design is thoughtful in its response to its site — and more broadly in the way it adds to the conversation in Los Angeles about the role of vertical architecture. What’s more, there is no large architecture firm in the world doing work as consistently adventurous or deft as Herzog & de Meuron, whose American projects of note include the Perez Art Museum Miami, the De Young Museum in San Francisco and a forthcoming condo tower on Leonard Street in Manhattan.

Even the anti-development activists who see every tall building in Los Angeles as a giveaway to moneyed interests or a threat to the existing character of the city may find something to admire here.

We'd be wise to hold on to some skepticism, though. We’re seeing the design for 6AM at its earliest and most optimistic — in its rosy-fingered-dawn phase. It is now as much a master plan proposal as an architectural one. What it’ll look like in the harsh light of day, once it’s been through the full, punishing planning and construction process, is something else altogether.

Huge projects like these that fill every inch of an urban megabuck — Frank Gehry’s serially delayed Grand Avenue design for Related Cos. also falls into this category — are tricky to humanize and enliven for even the most talented of architects...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/art...los-angeles-20160920-snap-htmlstory.html

[Quixote]

^ Wow. Just, wow.

Game. Changer.