The Ultimate Vancouver Rumour Thread! - Page 65

Smooth · #**1281** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 8:24 PM**

I put my money on a new Waterfront Station hub.

The fact that it is very well served by transit leads me to believe that it'll be multi-modal (i.e. Skytrain, Westcoast Express, Seabus). The fact that it'll be something very tall leads me to believe that it could only be downtown (the City would never allow one of the tallest buildings outside the downtown core). The fact that it'll be contentious also leads me to assume it'll be on the edge of historic district and probably infringes on a view cone or two (perhaps the City will allow an intrusion into the view cone if a large enough public benefit is included in the development).

Other observations and ramblings:
The origami tower proposal east of Waterfront Station has gone silent for a while now. There have been plans for a re-built waterfront hub for a long time but that has also been quiet. Upgrades to the North Shore seabus terminal are underway but I haven't seen any proposals for the Vancouver side. The Federal Government is keen to find legacy projects for infrastructure dollars. BC Government would love a project like this pre-election.

Prometheus · #**1282** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 8:39 PM**

If it is Holborn's Bay parkade site, then obviously the proposal has no chance of being approved by this council, not even at 40% of the rumoured height, since that site is smothered by one of the city's more draconian 88-metre viewcones, something this council has made it clear it is unwilling to show any flexibility or thoughtfulness on. Given the city's recent series of reaffirmations of its obstinate and rigid approach to the viewcone guidelines, Holborn has to know this for certain by now.

Thus, it is either not the Bay parkade site or Holborn is planning to placate this council with a social/welfare housing project beyond imagining, the one thing that could tempt this council (which probably won't be happy until half the city is living in city-owned social/welfare housing) to flip-flop on just about anything.

jlousa · #**1283** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 8:40 PM**

Oh the disappointment I will have caused. I stand by my post, perhaps too intently cryptic however.

s211 · #**1284** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What about the Bay parkade site would generate vocal opposition though?

Viewcone renders low height restriction there.

officedweller · #**1285** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 8:49 PM**

Yeah, if you're talking height that won't be surpassed, the only site would be the Burrard Building site at Burrard & Georgia.

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If Holborn proposes to demolish the Dunsmuir House building - that would cause a vocal backlash.
As far as I know, they do not own the Toni Cavelti Building on Georgia.
But as has been mentioned, the view cones would end up making the Bay Parkade redevelopment look a lot like IMBC's Main Post Office redevelopment
- so not unsurpassable.

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Figured I'd start a rumour to liven up the place. We will be seeing a proposal come forward soon, the scope of which BC has never seen before both in height and density and it's unlikely to get surpassed. I'm sure there will be vocal local backlash against it. The site is in Vancouver proper and will be very we served by transit. That is all anyone is getting for now, further update after Oct 8th. And before people get too carried away, my words were carefully chosen.

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Oh the disappointment I will have caused. I stand by my post, perhaps too intently cryptic however.

Of course, JLousa could be playing with us and "BC" means "Broadway-Commercial" and he's referring to the only towers in the Grandview Woodlands Plan on the Safeway site.

If I'm right, I called it first!

[EDIT: Unless Metro-One's Broadway Hub means Broadway & Commercial (I thought he mean Broadway corridor).]

Prometheus · #**1286** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 9:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Oh the disappointment I will have caused. I stand by my post, perhaps too intently cryptic however.

Lame. Nothing to see here, folks, as usual.

The stench of relative stagnation with respect to big-city urban development in Vancouver since 2010 is becoming ever more potent.

phesto · #**1287** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

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Of course, JLousa could be playing with us and "BC" means "Broadway-Commercial" and he's referring to the only towers in the Grandview Woodlands Plan on the Safeway site.

The Safeway site has the most density (5.7 FSR) and height (24-storeys) in the Grandview Woodlands plan...hmmm, wonder who has partnered with Safeway/Crombie REIT to redevelop that one?

bc2mb · #**1288** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 9:11 PM**

Open house for Broadway-Commercial Bing Thom/Westbank proposal is October 8: http://urbanyvr.com/broadway-commercial-safeway-skytrain

Coincidence?

Smooth · #**1289** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Oh the disappointment I will have caused. I stand by my post, perhaps too intently cryptic however.

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GlassCity · #**1290** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 11:24 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by officedweller

Yeah, if you're talking height that won't be surpassed, the only site would be the Burrard Building site at Burrard & Georgia.

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If Holborn proposes to demolish the Dunsmuir House building - that would cause a vocal backlash.
As far as I know, they do not own the Toni Cavelti Building on Georgia.
But as has been mentioned, the view cones would end up making the Bay Parkade redevelopment look a lot like IMBC's Main Post Office redevelopment
- so not unsurpassable.

*********

Of course, JLousa could be playing with us and "BC" means "Broadway-Commercial" and he's referring to the only towers in the Grandview Woodlands Plan on the Safeway site.

If I'm right, I called it first!

[EDIT: Unless Metro-One's Broadway Hub means Broadway & Commercial (I thought he mean Broadway corridor).]

That wouldn't even be cryptic, just intentionally misleading. Hoping not!

christmas · #**1291** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 11:34 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bc2mb

Open house for Broadway-Commercial Bing Thom/Westbank proposal is October 8: http://urbanyvr.com/broadway-commercial-safeway-skytrain

Coincidence?

Nice find. I guess the case is closed then. Disappointing as usual.

osirisboy · #**1292** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 11:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by bc2mb

Open house for Broadway-Commercial Bing Thom/Westbank proposal is October 8: http://urbanyvr.com/broadway-commercial-safeway-skytrain

Coincidence?

That can't be it. That's not even a high fsr

giallo · #**1293** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 12:37 AM**

It'll be a very high FSR building for its height (ie not tall) at Broadway and Commercial. We ain't seeing a skyscraper, people.

Having said that, any development around B&C is welcome. Talk about an underutilized station.

excel · #**1294** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 1:05 AM**

Why was the rumor both height and density then?

officedweller · #**1295** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 1:07 AM**

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the scope of which [Broadway & Commercial] has never seen before both in height and density and it's unlikely to get surpassed.

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Yeah, it should be our Yonge & Eglinton.

Instead, the densest transit hub in the region outside the downtown (with 2 Skytrain lines) will be at Lougheed.

jollyburger · #**1296** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 1:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

It is not the bay parkade site, the proposal I alluded to is still active but will probably surface closer to the 550ft mark. The 750ft was never really realistic, but a play to be negotiate to where they would be happy with. I suspect we'll hear about it next year as I don't see it going forward before year end, market has softened and there is too many other projects lingering ahead of it.

Any connection to this old rumour?

Metro-One · #**1297** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 2:20 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by officedweller

Yeah, if you're talking height that won't be surpassed, the only site would be the Burrard Building site at Burrard & Georgia.

*********

If Holborn proposes to demolish the Dunsmuir House building - that would cause a vocal backlash.
As far as I know, they do not own the Toni Cavelti Building on Georgia.
But as has been mentioned, the view cones would end up making the Bay Parkade redevelopment look a lot like IMBC's Main Post Office redevelopment
- so not unsurpassable.

*********

Of course, JLousa could be playing with us and "BC" means "Broadway-Commercial" and he's referring to the only towers in the Grandview Woodlands Plan on the Safeway site.

If I'm right, I called it first!

[EDIT: Unless Metro-One's Broadway Hub means Broadway & Commercial (I thought he mean Broadway corridor).]

That is exactly what I meant. So I was indeed the first to call it!

jlousa · #**1298** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 2:23 AM**

OD figured it out, good job.

Jolly...That old rumour one is the First Baptist chruch proposal.

osirisboy · #**1299** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by giallo

It'll be a very high FSR building for its height (ie not tall) at Broadway and Commercial. We ain't seeing a skyscraper, people.

Having said that, any development around B&C is welcome. Talk about an underutilized station.

5.7 is not that high for that height of a building

logan5 · #**1300** Posted **Sep 22, 2016, 2:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

Lame. Nothing to see here, folks, as usual.

The stench of relative stagnation with respect to big-city urban development in Vancouver since 2010 is becoming ever more potent.

Your posts crack me up. The genuine anger you articulate is hilarious, but you still hold on to some hope that, one day, one of these rumours might actually come true. As usual, in the end... disappointment.