Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 363

Migrant_Coconut · #**7241** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 4:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Where would they put a bus terminal for all the buses that still will continue to UBC?

That... is an excellent question. Not many lots around Broadway & Arbutus that you can place a bus loop.

swimmer_spe · #**7242** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

That... is an excellent question. Not many lots around Broadway & Arbutus that you can place a bus loop.

Is there anywhere at Cambie and Broadway?

How far beyond Cambie would it need to be extended to find a spot that could fit a temporary(10-20 years) bus terminal till the line is extended the rest of the way?

GeeCee · #**7243** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 4:16 AM**

They own the corner lot at 1909 West Broadway which is about a block away.

retro_orange · #**7244** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 5:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

They own the corner lot at 1909 West Broadway which is about a block away.

That's an awfully small property though, it's barely wider than a standard bus is long. Only big enough for a station. I wonder who owns the crummy walkup next door.

https://spacelist.ca/p/bc/vancouver/1909_w_broadway

nickbeaulieu · #**7245** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 4:26 PM**

considering this project is still a long way off, a lot can change.

Jebby · #**7246** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by nickbeaulieu

considering this project is still a long way off, a lot can change.

Exactly, like extending it all the way to UBC

officedweller · #**7247** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 7:57 PM**

Bus loop at Arbutus was discussed in March 2014 at pages 296 and 297 of this thread.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=162479&page=296

Here's a couple of quotes - but this may have been screwed up (?) with the Arbutus corridor being purchased by CoV.

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Originally Posted by jhausner

Still would probably be not to difficult. It doesn't look like it from the overhead but in person the old train track stretch is plenty wide to make a Granville like road for several blocks dedicated just to busses. If they just did like Granville Street near the north and 2 lane wide with bus stops, you could get quite a few busses going through that stretch and not competing with cars. It would also allow any direction to "turn around" again without impacting intersections too much.

They'd have a fight though I'd imagine from neighborhood residents and not wanting "our precious overgrown grassy train tracks to be paved over with roads for busses." but it certainly could be done. Even if it is a busy station too we're not talking 20 busses or something ridiculously high. Maybe what 5 or 6 bus lines?

I don't actually know the number pulling them out of my behind, but just looking at the overhead and having been through that area quite a bit, I don't think it is terribly difficult.

Crudely 2 way road with bus size shapes. Do that 1 way and can still fit enough busses I think.

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Remember that the Pinnacle project already has space for a transit plaza.

The yellow line below is what I had in mind.
No new traffic lights required (maybe 10th & Arbutus for right turns?)
Technically the bus doors would be on the opposite side of the transit mall as the subway entrance.

Alternatively, to get the bus doors on the east side, reverse the direction as shown with the light blue line.
More left turns, but I suppose there already is a set of traffic lights on Broadway at the railway tracks.

twoNeurons · #**7248** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 9:25 PM**

If Translink was smart (or a private company) they'd buy up that whole block, turn it into a proper transit hub, multiple levels up and down. Turn it into a destination like they do in Asia.

officedweller · #**7249** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 9:38 PM**

Yeah, could also be on the Rogers video (north side) if the alignment is under Broadway itself.

excel · #**7250** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 9:44 PM**

The map shouldn't have green on the Evergreen portion.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/skytrain-route-changes-come-into-effect-oct-22

excel · #**7251** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 9:53 PM**

Link to video, embedding not working for me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gifSZ-CjXDo

officedweller · #**7252** Posted **Sep 20, 2016, 11:29 PM**

I wonder why the alignment from Main to Oak is angled?
If that'a s shift from a 10th Ave alignment to a Broadway alignment that's odd, because you'd need to expropriate rights-of-way under more private lands.
Mind you, the cut-out panel for connecting to Canada Line is closer to 10th than Broadway,
and turning from Prince Edward to 10th Ave (rather than Broadway) would take the curve under a corner of VSB's Kingsgate Mall

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Originally Posted by dpogue

Not sure if this updated graphic has been posted yet, from the TransLink website page about the Millennium Line Broadway extension project:

scryer · #**7253** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 12:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Where would they put a bus terminal for all the buses that still will continue to UBC?

Arbutus

Without extending this all the way to UBC, this only pushes the capacity problem a little further west and doesn't solve anything.

officedweller · #**7254** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 12:24 AM**

A lot of the passengers will disembark along the Broadway corridor - hospitals, offices, etc.

So the crowding to board buses at Commercial-Broadway Station won't automatically resurface at Arbutus.

Migrant_Coconut · #**7255** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Remember that the Pinnacle project already has space for a transit plaza.

The yellow line below is what I had in mind.
No new traffic lights required (maybe 10th & Arbutus for right turns?)
Technically the bus doors would be on the opposite side of the transit mall as the subway entrance.

Alternatively, to get the bus doors on the east side, reverse the direction as shown with the light blue line.
More left turns, but I suppose there already is a set of traffic lights on Broadway at the railway tracks.

That cuts straight though the Arbutus Corridor. Whether it ends up used as a greenway, bike lane or streetcar line (or all three), I don't think a giant transit hub right in the middle of the route is going to work for anybody.

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Originally Posted by officedweller

A lot of the passengers will disembark along the Broadway corridor - hospitals, offices, etc.

So the crowding to board buses at Commercial-Broadway Station won't automatically resurface at Arbutus.

Pretty much. Ironically, the low density of west Kitsilano and Point Grey work in TransLink's favour.

But I still think the 99 is better off stopping where it is and turning around somewhere else.

officedweller · #**7256** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 1:08 AM**

That post was from 2014 - so, yeah, it's been "messed up" by the greenway.

djh · #**7257** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 1:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

I wonder why the alignment from Main to Oak is angled?
If that'a s shift from a 10th Ave alignment to a Broadway alignment that's odd, because you'd need to expropriate rights-of-way under more private lands.
Mind you, the cut-out panel for connecting to Canada Line is closer to 10th than Broadway,
and turning from Prince Edward to 10th Ave (rather than Broadway) would take the curve under a corner of VSB's Kingsgate Mall

They might just have plotted where the actual station entrances are, and connected the station positions with a straight line, rather than actually plotting the alignment of the underground route.

aberdeen5698 · #**7258** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

A lot of the passengers will disembark along the Broadway corridor - hospitals, offices, etc.

On the other hand, the shorter bus connection afforded by extending the Millennium line to Arbutus will attract a lot of UBC bound riders who are now using other routes like 25, 33, 49, 84, etc.

I think the only way to get the Millennium line extended is to do it in stages because that makes the chunks small enough to swallow at a time when transit funding is hard to come by. But I agree that there seems to be plenty of demand to do the whole thing at once.

GlassCity · #**7259** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 5:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

The map shouldn't have green on the Evergreen portion.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/skytrain-route-changes-come-into-effect-oct-22

I saw that exact poster at Aberdeen Station this evening, replacing the previous general rapid transit map. I really hope they're not permanent, it looks so bad when the word "future" is on maps. They're great for education, but hopefully we'll have permanent ones up by the time the line actually opens up. It also doesn't show B-Line routes, just connection points. Hope that's not a new thing either.

CanSpice · #**7260** Posted **Sep 21, 2016, 4:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

I saw that exact poster at Aberdeen Station this evening, replacing the previous general rapid transit map. I really hope they're not permanent, it looks so bad when the word "future" is on maps. They're great for education, but hopefully we'll have permanent ones up by the time the line actually opens up. It also doesn't show B-Line routes, just connection points. Hope that's not a new thing either.

Those are maps that are announcing the changes to the routes, so they're only focussed on the routes that are being changed. The permanent maps will be proper, don't worry about it. Also, these maps have nothing to do with the Broadway Extension so I don't know why they're even in this thread.