YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[stiffdeadman]

going overboard with all the transborder speculation. u.s. based airlines have very little interest in vancouver and canada in general (other then toronto only because of size). you will only ever see service to the western megahubs and a select few in the east. if there were any viable routes from vancouver they would already be served by now.

delta will never waste a plane on a low yielding offseason daily flight to atlanta. american will certainly never throw one on a charlotte route when they can just filter any passengers on horizon down to seattle through its interline agreement with alaska. hell american won't even put metal on ord-yvr, and they would have more connecting traffic through that hub.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by stiffdeadman

going overboard with all the transborder speculation. u.s. based airlines have very little interest in vancouver and canada in general (other then toronto only because of size). you will only ever see service to the western megahubs and a select few in the east. if there were any viable routes from vancouver they would already be served by now.

delta will never waste a plane on a low yielding offseason daily flight to atlanta. american will certainly never throw one on a charlotte route when they can just filter any passengers on horizon down to seattle through its interline agreement with alaska. hell american won't even put metal on ord-yvr, and they would have more connecting traffic through that hub.

Then it's pretty much up to Air Canada, maybe Westjet. Oh Lordy ........

[Johnny Aussie]

Aeromexico is bringing forward the increase in MEX-YVR to the 1st of December instead of January 2017.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airl...-canada-service-expansion-from-dec-2016/

[Gordon]

Starting Feb 5th Air Canada will begin year round Daily service between YVR & DFW using CRJ 705

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Starting Feb 5th Air Canada will begin year round Daily service between YVR & DFW using CRJ 705

Thats another nice destination for Air Canada. Seems they are slowly picking off the large centres they dont serve from Vancouver. Im guessing this route will be perfect for the C Series as well as the San Diego route. Nice having so many CRJ 705 at YVR now, didnt used to have any flights it seemed before this year. Anyone have any idea how the new Chicago, San Diego, and San Jose flights are doing?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Starting Feb 5th Air Canada will begin year round Daily service between YVR & DFW using CRJ 705

Here is Air Canada's press release. Great transborder addition for YVR!

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1051

And a mini-blog blurb from YVR.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/ac-adds-daily-to-dallas

YVR-DFW was served by Canadian Airlines back in the 90s when they were tied up with AA. So this time a little competition for AA.

[excel]

Great news about DFW. It would be even better to see it switched to mainline E190! Jazz sucks

[LeftCoaster]

Look it's Johnny playing with Trofirhen !

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Starting Feb 5th Air Canada will begin year round Daily service between YVR & DFW using CRJ 705

Great news. Just more evidence of AC building up its hub at YVR.

It may not be Cedar Rapids International but it's a good start!

Looking at DFW's route listing their Asia connections are pretty poor so YVR should be able to provide a lot of options for DFW's O&D. Great addition.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Here is Air Canada's press release. Great transborder addition for YVR!

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1051

And a mini-blog blurb from YVR.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/ac-adds-daily-to-dallas

YVR-DFW was served by Canadian Airlines back in the 90s when they were tied up with AA. So this time a little competition for AA.

Definitely nice to see this one materialize. AA had this market completely to themselves for the longest time. Rooting for some healthy competition now.

[Vagabond]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Starting Feb 5th Air Canada will begin year round Daily service between YVR & DFW using CRJ 705

That's a long flight for a CRJ. Must be one of (if not the) longest CRJ routes in North America.

According to GCM, YVR-DFW is actually 50 km longer than AC's listed range for the CRJ 705.

[SFUVancouver]

That's great news about the Air Canada DFW flight. It will be good to have a Star Alliance option to connect the cities, though the in-flight product will be superior with Mainline AA and 737 equipment vs Regional AC and a RJ. That's definitely going to be a long haul for a CRJ700 but it will essentially be route proving until Air Canada gets its CSeries and 737Max fleets up and running. I would expect it to be mainlined at that point with either a CS300 or possibly 737Max-8 if the loads warrant it.

[mrtinvan]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

That's great news about the Air Canada DFW flight. It will be good to have a Star Alliance option to connect the cities, though the in-flight product will be superior with Mainline AA and 737 equipment vs Regional AC and a RJ. That's definitely going to be a long haul for a CRJ700 but it will essentially be route proving until Air Canada gets its CSeries and 737Max fleets up and running. I would expect it to be mainlined at that point with either a CS300 or possibly 737Max-8 if the loads warrant it.

I read very recently that Jazz is going to remove the Business Class cabins on all 37 of the 705's and convert them to CRJ-900 specifications, which includes the range extension of 300 some odd KM.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by mrtinvan

I read very recently that Jazz is going to remove the Business Class cabins on all 37 of the 705's and convert them to CRJ-900 specifications, which includes the range extension of 300 some odd KM.

And I think they intend to buy more. Had no idea about them getting rid of first class. I'd just heard about an additional seat to go from CR705 to CR9

[Gordon]

It looks like DFW is 25miles short of the 705s max range.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Guess we know some other reasons why BA and One World are out and SkyTeam: Delta, Air France, KLM are in:

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/274-a-2016

WestJet, on behalf of itself, Compass, SkyWest and Delta, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit WestJet to provide its scheduled international service between Canada and Mexico by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by Compass, SkyWest and Delta between the United States of America and Mexico, for a period of three years or such longer period as may be authorized by the Agency.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/266-a-2016

WestJet, on behalf of itself and Air France, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit Air France to provide its scheduled international service between France and Canada via the United States of America, and between France and beyond Canada to the United States of America, by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by WestJet between Canada and the United States of America, for a period of five years or such longer period as may be authorized by the Agency.

https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/267-a-2016

WestJet, on behalf of itself and KLM, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit KLM to provide its scheduled international service between the Netherlands and Canada via the United States of America, and between the Netherlands and beyond Canada to the United States of America, by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by WestJet between Canada and the United States of America, for a period of five years or such longer period as may be authorized by the Agency.

Interesting info from the YEG thread. I wonder if this is in advance of WestJet joining Skyteam. Looks like it to me.

Would be interesting to see how an alliance would affect YVR. I would think that it would force Westjet to focus more of its ops into YVR and out of YYC, as the skyteam presence at YVR is simply massive, even larger than Seattle and they're a Skyteam hub!

Just for reference, skyteam intl' summer ops at select North American airports:

1. SFO: 20,788 seats per day
2. YVR: 19,172 seats per day
3. SEA: 18,711 seats per day
4. YYZ: 14,762 seats per day
5. YUL: 9,408 seats per day
6. YYC: 1,708 seats per day

[trofirhen]

Is this true and are you serious? We're ahead of SEATTLE and just a bit behind SFO? And this is Skyteam, which includes Delta - so big in Seattle? Wheeeeew!!! If it's true. Even beat YYZ!
Amazing if Westjet joins Skyteam. Going head to head with *A like that.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

That's great news about the Air Canada DFW flight. It will be good to have a Star Alliance option to connect the cities, though the in-flight product will be superior with Mainline AA and 737 equipment vs Regional AC and a RJ.

It couldn't be much more cramped than a 737. It isn't, from what I remember.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by mrtinvan

I read very recently that Jazz is going to remove the Business Class cabins on all 37 of the 705's and convert them to CRJ-900 specifications, which includes the range extension of 300 some odd KM.

The CRJ900 will be configured in a dual class with 76 seats with 12 seats in Business Class and 64 seats in Economy, including 20 Preferred seats which offer greater legroom. This configuration has become a standard for North American operators of the aircraft. Every seat will offer seatback in-flight entertainment as well as Gogo onboard internet access.

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2016/04/26/air-canada-express-to-take-delivery-of-five-crj900s/

[nname]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

the in-flight product will be superior with Mainline AA and 737 equipment vs Regional AC and a RJ.

Is it? I don't recall AA got seatback on-demand TV for their 737s...