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23rd and tremont slated for 80 for-sale condo units. Just down the street on 20th they are developing more for-sale condos, and the Coloradan just broke ground. After so long with no new developments how are these guys finally becoming viable without anything to address construction defects?
Another example is the 91 condos going up at 26th and Lawrence http://liveatspark.com/. Do you have a link to the 23rd and Tremont development?

I've wondered the same recently. I hope we also see smaller condo projects going up in residential neighborhoods in place of/in addition to the typical townhome developments.
     
     
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23rd and tremont slated for 80 for-sale condo units. Just down the street on 20th they are developing more for-sale condos, and the Coloradan just broke ground. After so long with no new developments how are these guys finally becoming viable without anything to address construction defects?
24th and Tremont Condos 2016PM432 2300 Tremont Proposed 8-story condo buidling with 80 for sale units and structured parking... Nice!

Don't see anything on the 20th street one's...
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I don't see this area cleaning up much either. They'd need to bulldoze all the crack motels on Colfax, to start. Those are a HUGE problem. I drive through there daily and see the screwed up people, crime, murders. And the area south of Eastbridge has quite the sex offender population as well. And then there's the housing stock. Most of it is scrape-worthy. A lot of them look like hillbilly shacks.
Fuck the poor and their hillbilly shacks! And then we bitch and moan for the next 10 pages about how there's nothing affordable in Denver. I just wish everything could be Cherry Hills!
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24th and Tremont Condos 2016PM432 2300 Tremont Proposed 8-story condo buidling with 80 for sale units and structured parking... Nice!

Don't see anything on the 20th street one's...

NAVA (the guys oding the lakehouse at Sloans Lake) said they have it under contract with plans for condos. Its the lot on benedit park owned by DHA - http://www.businessden.com/2016/06/07/de...site-finally-finds-an-office-of-its-own/
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2016, 7:42 PM
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NAVA (the guys oding the lakehouse at Sloans Lake) said they have it under contract with plans for condos. Its the lot on benedit park owned by DHA - http://www.businessden.com/2016/06/07/de...site-finally-finds-an-office-of-its-own/
Nice! 'Appealing to young buyers'. Uh oh, some don't think us 'youngins' should buy but these developers are thinking we should!

Back in the day, this is what was proposed for that lot:

Dug up from the original DenverInfill website!
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23rd and tremont slated for 80 for-sale condo units. Just down the street on 20th they are developing more for-sale condos, and the Coloradan just broke ground. After so long with no new developments how are these guys finally becoming viable without anything to address construction defects?
Could it be the lower hanging fruit has been plucked?
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[QUOTE=The Dirt;7538504]Here you go: http://www.workzonecam.com/projects/sheaproperties1/1776curtis/workzonecam
Looks like they've been done with the garage portion for a few weeks, and they're 2-3 stories up on the residential portion. Make sure to zoom out or scroll to the bottom right to see progress on the office portion. Spoiler alert: they haven't started and they're still using it as a staging area for the residential project.

WTF they did not even dig a foundation ??
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Anyone know what's finally going up at 17th Ave. and Lafayette St.?

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Fuck the poor and their hillbilly shacks! And then we bitch and moan for the next 10 pages about how there's nothing affordable in Denver. I just wish everything could be Cherry Hills!
I don't think anyone here had ever argued that extreme concentration of poverty is a good thing. Additionally, we've mostly bitched about a lack of affordable housing for the middle class, not subsidized housing for the poor. I'm willing to bet that it's easier to find housing in downtown Denver if you're making under 20K than if you're making over 40K.
     
     
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WTF they did not even dig a foundation ??
Nope, it's all above-ground parking.
     
     
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Interested to see how these prices compare to Lake House. Such a better location for Coloradan here in my opinion, it will be interesting what the market can bear $/ft.
Different strokes. My preference would be Sloan's Lake. Just a guess that NAVA's Lake House units will appeal more to empty nesters and people who love the neighborhood.

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I believe some of the steps the city took are contributing.
enjo13 makes a good point which got me to thinking. Denver did apparently pass a very good law to address the defects issue.

The overriding question is whether it would supercede state laws. Interestingly (iirc) it's not one particular law (although there may be one that's more troublesome) but rather a few laws and the subsequent court decisions. Certainly someone could sue to have the Denver law ruled invalid due to conflict with state law and I suspect that would be one humdinger of a court case that Denver (and developer partners) would defend vigorously. That could take five years or longer I'd guess. They'd have to have an egregiously bad project to bother I'd think.

What I don't know but am curious about is whether insurance companies are taking a fresh look when assessing the "defects risk" given the new Denver Law plus perhaps assessing projects individually depending on the developer's mitigation procedures taken ie quality of construction.

Additionally NAVA is building higher dollar units and I'd think Trevor Hines intends to follow in his daddy's footsteps by building reliably high quality projects. East West Partners of course built their (gold) teeth on building in Vail so I'm sure they have good confidence about what they'll build. Can't speak to the other condo projects.
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Fuck the poor and their hillbilly shacks! And then we bitch and moan for the next 10 pages about how there's nothing affordable in Denver. I just wish everything could be Cherry Hills!
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I don't think anyone here had ever argued that extreme concentration of poverty is a good thing. Additionally, we've mostly bitched about a lack of affordable housing for the middle class, not subsidized housing for the poor. I'm willing to bet that it's easier to find housing in downtown Denver if you're making under 20K than if you're making over 40K.
We're starting to conflate different issues.

With respect to (near) downtown Denver, DHA/HUD's redevelopment of the old East Village slums and now Mariposa is not your father's subsidized housing. They're relatively nice quality, sustainably built units that aren't just for the Section 8 crowd; in fact few units are reserved for them. The last affordable project that comes to mind was near 40th and Colorado, Park Hill Station which had over 600 applicants when they shut them off given there were only 156 units. So no, finding affordable units is not easy.

With respect to more units which are affordable to regular (middle class) people yes that's been frequently discussed. Problem Number One is a market demand/supply issue. Cirrus learned me years ago that this will work itself out over the decades as new apartments become older. Not sure how to accelerate time. There is a good amount of what should be more reasonably priced units - they're the one whose architecture we complain about that will presumably meet that need at some point.
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I don't see this area cleaning up much either. They'd need to bulldoze all the crack motels on Colfax, to start. Those are a HUGE problem. I drive through there daily and see the screwed up people, crime, murders. And the area south of Eastbridge has quite the sex offender population as well. And then there's the housing stock. Most of it is scrape-worthy. A lot of them look like hillbilly shacks.
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It's appropriate to acknowledge that old Aurora and specific parts have long been a problem. If you go back 20-30 years you could say the same about a whole lot of areas near downtown Denver as well. East Colfax has had a seedy rep starting at the Capitol for a long time. There are still "incidents" along East Colfax close in but over the last ten years capital has and is being invested and improvements are being made.

With respect to improvements in old Aurora the primary ones and area I've mentioned are between Peoria and I-225. In this area the investment dollars seem impressive to me. It's a start as they say.

With respect to the housing stock in nearby neighborhoods it's not appreciably different than what you might find in University Hills or Virginia Vale in SE Denver for example.

I have no way of projecting how much or how quickly those neighborhoods will improve but I would point out that lower socioeconomic areas need not be the same as high crime areas. It's just that East Colfax has been seedy (starting from the capitol) for many, many decades.
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I think it has little to nothing to do with the actions the city took. The ordinance probably didn't hurt, but I think what makes a bigger difference is the fact that there is certainty on the horizon.

The real game-changer was the decision from the Colorado Court of Appeals in Vallagio at Inverness Residential Condominium Association, Inc. v. Metropolitan Homes, Inc. in May 2015. One-third of Denver's ordinance was just a restatement of Vallagio anyways. In that case the Court of Appeals essentially held that a condominium declaration drafted in a specific way can require that construction defect claims brought by the association must be decided in arbitration, not litigation. (Specifically, that declaration required the developer's consent to amend the arbitration provision, and consent was not obtained.)

The Colorado Supreme Court granted certiorari in June 2016. I haven't been watching too closely, but I don't think the court has decided yet. But certainty is coming very soon. Assuming the Supreme Court does not overturn the COA, a developer who drafts the declaration correctly now has the ability to avoid litigation with binding arbitration.

So after that, I think the other two-thirds of what the City did is really just gravy. And much less likely to be challenged if it becomes a moot point following the ruling from the State Supreme Court. If you have an enforceable arbitration clause, after all, it's not going to matter much that the City of Denver says you need a majority written consent of owners to sue - you already can't sue!

Anyways, if you're a gambler - and most developers are - now is a good time to fire up your engines. You'll still have time to change course if things go south again.

EDIT: This really must look like the nuclear option for those in the state legislature who opposed reasonable compromise. Assuming they won't have the votes to pass something the other way in response to the case, if the Supreme Court upholds this, homeowners will lose the ability to ever sue going forward. Which is not what reformers wanted. It might re-frame the political debate, though. Obstructionist democrats might have to quickly re-think their positions.

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Anyone know what's finally going up at 17th Ave. and Lafayette St.?

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Nope, it's all above-ground parking.
Even still I thought every building had to have a foundation. Especially if it is over 5 floors. Wouldn't a minor earthquake level that thing ?
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Even still I thought every building had to have a foundation. Especially if it is over 5 floors. Wouldn't a minor earthquake level that thing ?
They're called cassions. They transfer the load of the building further into the earth.
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