ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[thepope117]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Here's the main building on campus. And feel free to check out the stadium etc.
http://i.imgur.com/cx06A5I.jpg

Morris Brown College is still alive and is working to get accredited again. To suggest just bulldozing the second oldest educational institutions in the city is just beyond me.

[Libertarian]

From Wikipedia:

Several of Morris Brown's buildings are in an extreme state of disrepair and have been heavily damaged, including Herndon Stadium, the Middleton Twin Towers dorm, Gaines Hall and Furber Cottage. Gaines Hall was heavily damaged by a two-alarm fire in August 2015. Mayor Reed indicated in August 2015 that he would like to see the city help preserve the building....Mayor Reed said that the city has no interest in operating the school, and that it would be illegal for them to do so. The college briefly had a NCAA Division I athletics program, until it lost accreditation...The Morris Brown Wolverines football program played at Herndon Stadium on campus until the program was discontinued...The stadium has since been heavily damaged by looters...

As they say, stick a fork in it. The land could be put to good use though. Invest Atlanta owns the land.

[L41A]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Some tourists would be concerned by the safety issue. A better use of the money would be to demolish all the empty structures, use eminent domain to buy all the empty lots, and give the lots to people who will build owner-occupied houses. Also, the defunct Morris Brown campus should be levelled and the ground used to develop various types of subsidized managed housing, for example for the homeless presently at Peachtree-Pine.

Two to three decades ago, the same thing that you are saying could have been said about O4W, Ponce, and Midtown. Many things happened to turn those areas around - included in those was access and gateways.

For example, when I attended Georgia Tech, there was a virtual wall between the school and the Downtown Connector and also between the school and North Avenue. Many students dared to go south of North Avenue or east of the Downtown Connector. But the 5th Street Bridge, Technology Square, bridged that wall and helped to bring on a "renaissance" to those areas. Walls and exclusion are hardly ever good.

[Libertarian]

We all want to see the area be improved. We also want to preserve the growing tourist and business activity around GWCC/COP. I think MLK is currently the best gateway in the west direction. Hopefully the so-called "Bluffs" will upgrade and there can be infrastructure improvements. The area's drug problem is being addressed, but right now it's a issue. This area was considered and may still be the #1 regional heroin distribution link - trafficking drugs to the NE and Midwest. Just the facts.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

I've been there many times. I've been to a couple of games at what was Herndon stadium. I know details about that area you don't know. I also know of people of all community segments who are trying to analyze and develop public and private solutions for that area between MLK and Hollowell Parkway.

you're doubling down on mid-century era segregation tactics and urban renewal, talking about demolishing morris brown, and you're telling me that the neighborhood is gonna be excited about it?

[L41A]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

but there aren't any empty lots between international blvd and magnolia street... it's just one block. and you want to level the historic buildings on morris brown college for project housing? have you actually been to this neighbourhood or is this just looking at a map? morris brown college might be defunct but the buildings and the campus are a cherished historic landmark in the neighbourhood and are very important to the history of HBCUs in this country... would you propose to knock down georgia tech's historic structures?

the combined ideas of "the people in this neighborhood aren't safe, let's cut them off from everything else" and "let's level the whole thing and redo it because it sucks" shows a real apathy for the people that actually live there and the community that already exists, and given the history of these types of quarantine/urban renewal being pushed on poor black communities... sounds incredibly racist, to be frank. you should spend more time in the neighborhood, i think. being around people different from you is scary at first but it's a necessary step in personal growth.

I see so much potential in Vine City. I have often stated a major difference between Vine City and Virginia Highland is socioeconomics or the citizenry who show interest in the areas. The building structures and layout are not that different. It is just that Virginia Highland has attracted people higher on socioeconomic ladder and have invested in their properties. I have often visited the Vine City area and when you go inside the neighborhood you get a sense of past vibrancy and its potential. You see structures that were corner stores, schools, and other businesses. The streets are very walkable plus there are two accessible MARTA Stations (Vine City and Ashby).

[scania]

Originally Posted by L41A

I see so much potential in Vine City. I have often stated a major difference between Vine City and Virginia Highland is socioeconomics or the citizenry who show interest in the areas. The building structures and layout are not that different. It is just that Virginia Highland has attracted people higher on socioeconomic ladder and have invested in their properties. I have often visited the Vine City area and when you go inside the neighborhood you get a sense of past vibrancy and its potential. You see structures that were corner stores, schools, and other businesses. The streets are very walkable plus there are two accessible MARTA Stations (Vine City and Ashby).

I really think the West End area near Brown Middle School is more comparable to Va. Highland in all aspects, except for the proximity.

[sbrptree]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

That would be fantastic! For the first project, are you referring to Hanover Midtown? Or another project at the Bulldogs location? Thanks for the tips! Will be very exciting if either project breaks ground.

Hanover

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by sbrptree

Hanover

When you say Eviva property just closed, are you saying it was officially sold to Integral and that the project is close to getting started?

[ATLontheRISE]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

From Wikipedia:


As they say, stick a fork in it. The land could be put to good use though. Invest Atlanta owns the land.

This kinda thinking is exactly what got Atlanta in the position it's in. And now digging out of the hole that segregationist created. The idea that people feel unsafe and that's enough to keep "those people" closed off or property sold is ridiculous. Put whatever facts you want up, it's a disqusting idea. And it has the stench of classism and racism... Cloaked in libertarism.

[darkcarrington]

Orange X's and tree removal notifications are up at the site of The Standard (Spring & 4th)

[Verge]

Originally Posted by ATLontheRISE

This kinda thinking is exactly what got Atlanta in the position it's in. And now digging out of the hole that segregationist created. The idea that people feel unsafe and that's enough to keep "those people" closed off or property sold is ridiculous. Put whatever facts you want up, it's a disqusting idea. And it has the stench of classism and racism... Cloaked in libertarism.

Classism and racism do apply as well as extreme shortsightedness in wanting to tear down important historic buildings.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by darkcarrington

Orange X's and tree removal notifications are up at the site of The Standard (Spring & 4th)

Would be pretty sweet if the Standard, Hanover Midtown, and Eviva were the next wave of projects to break ground in Midtown. While the projects below 10th are not as tall as those north of 10th, the street presence is becoming top notch within the city. Only Piedmont Park and the BeltLine seemingly have more foot traffic. With the lack of open lots between 10th & 5th, it could really add some pressure to develop more around North Ave. Only thing missing in the area (other than more development) is better manicured public parks.

[RobMidtowner]

Originally Posted by Verge

Classism and racism do apply as well as extreme shortsightedness in wanting to tear down important historic buildings.

I agree. It's a shame what has happened with Morris Brown losing accreditation and seeing the campus literally deteriorate. I remember when they filmed Drumline it really showcased the campus. But IMO what happens there should be left to the college and the surrounding community (ie. Vine City) to decide, not the big city next door or anybody posting anonymously on the internet to stick a fork in it. That area is actually pretty nice if you spend time in it, especially near Joseph E Lowery and MLK. I have only spent time there during the day but it was a pleasant surprise compared to what I expected from hearing about how bad of a place it was.

[Libertarian]

IF non-taxpayer money can be found to put it back together, then great. But remember that Morris Brown is (was) a private church-affiliated college, not a public institution. And they sold the underlying land to Invest Atlanta for $32 million to try to continue operating, which money should be paid back if they remain a private institution. I really believe the original purpose of this college is no longer relevant in the 21st century.

[ATLontheRISE]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

IF non-taxpayer money can be found to put it back together, then great. But remember that Morris Brown is (was) a private church-affiliated college, not a public institution. And they sold the underlying land to Invest Atlanta for $32 million to try to continue operating, which money should be paid back if they remain a private institution. I really believe the original purpose of this college is no longer relevant in the 21st century.

The original purpose is no longer relevant in the 21st century? Yikes. Your views are scary. Just a little advice: Nobody knows you're a fool until you start talking. STOP TALKING.

[Libertarian]

It's just my opinion, but I'm done with this topic.

[Neighbor]

Get off your high horse and stop hurling childish accusations of RACISM and CLASSICISM. None of you are rushing to pack your bags and move to the o-so-vibrant and culturally enriched Vine City. Jesus Christ, you talk about it like it has the historical significance of the Pyramids. The truth is that the buildings are beat to shit and hardly better than ordinary even if they were in good condition. Providing more connectivity to the city through more thoroughfares would do much to help improve desirability to live and invest in Vine City and more cash to the city is the best incentive to actually preserve any history there.

[jsvh]

Turner Field deal with GSU / Carter is done. GSU to start playing in the stadium in the 2017 season.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-govt-...tners-reach-deal-to-buy-turner-fi/nsHhr/

[Street Advocate]

Speaking of Hanover Midtown, filed this morning:

New 29 story, 342 unit mixed use residential apartment complex with retail and office structure.