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loga0082 · #**2001** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 12:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

Last time I checked it was $1.50 for 30 minutes. The Rideau centre seems to be doing well, so presumably people are either paying or finding other ways to get there (bus, etc.)

Acottawa, I do not have a car. I just walk to the Rideau centre, since I do not live far. I am just basing on people whom I know who complained that they had to pay a lot of money to park at the a Rideau centre.

1overcosc · #**2002** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 12:59 AM**

If you're going to be spending hundreds of dollars on clothes, you can spend a few bucks for parking.

YOWetal · #**2003** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

I could see it pushing bayshore downmarket (a process that seems to be under way already) but otherwise there isn't much overlap in terms of stores or brands or demographics with the suburban malls.

Until recently I thought of Bayshore as more upscale. I haven't been there in awhile. Actually I find driving and parking there to be very inconvenient. Of course I can walk to Rideau Centre.

acottawa · #**2004** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by YOWetal

Until recently I thought of Bayshore as more upscale. I haven't been there in awhile. Actually I find driving and parking there to be very inconvenient. Of course I can walk to Rideau Centre.

I think they were when I first moved to Ottawa in the early 2000s (they had Les Ailes and a number of upper-middle brands when the Rideau Centre had mostly mid-market stores).

I've only been there once since the expansion (and the parking was so atrocious I don't think I will return for a long time) but it seemed to be mostly generic mid-market stores you can find in any mall. The arrival of Walmart has probably reinforced that trend.

YOWflier · #**2005** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 3:02 PM**

Some of the stuff I'm reading makes me shake my head.

Bayshore is and always will be the region's #2 mall. It has a pretty even balance of mid/upper-mid retailers, some of which are either exclusive to the property or (largely) only otherwise exist at the mighty Rideau Centre. It's clearly several notches above St. Laurent and Place d'Orleans (and Promenades, although I know a bit less about that mall), and is anything but "generic mid-market".

Examples (may not be exhaustive; please forgive any mistakes but it's mostly accurate):

- Apple Store (only other at Rideau)
- White House Black Market (exclusive)
- Banana Republic (only other at Rideau)
- Zara (only other at Rideau)
- Victoria's Secret (only other at Rideau)
- H&M (only others at Rideau and Promenades)
- Swarovski (only other at Rideau)
- Steve Madden (exclusive)
- MAC (only other at Rideau)
- Sephora (only other at Rideau)
- Yankee Candle (exclusive - say what you want about candles but that stuff's popular as hell)
- Rockport (exclusive)
- Hot Topic (exclusive)
- Godiva (only others at Rideau and Tanger)
- Ecco (exclusive)
- Desigual (exclusive)
- Browns (only other at Rideau)
- Aritzia (only other at Rideau)

All of the above are popular, go-to brands/stores for (a) particular segment(s) of the population. For anyone that doesn't want to go to Rideau, Bayshore is the clear #2 for people looking to "shop". Tanger would round out the top 3 in my mind, likely followed by Promenades.

gjhall · #**2006** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 4:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by ac888yow

Some of the stuff I'm reading makes me shake my head.

Bayshore is and always will be the region's #2 mall. It has a pretty even balance of mid/upper-mid retailers, some of which are either exclusive to the property or (largely) only otherwise exist at the mighty Rideau Centre. It's clearly several notches above St. Laurent and Place d'Orleans (and Promenades, although I know a bit less about that mall), and is anything but "generic mid-market".

Examples (may not be exhaustive; please forgive any mistakes but it's mostly accurate):

- Apple Store (only other at Rideau)
- White House Black Market (exclusive)
- Banana Republic (only other at Rideau)
- Zara (only other at Rideau)
- Victoria's Secret (only other at Rideau)
- H&M (only others at Rideau and Promenades)
- Swarovski (only other at Rideau)
- Steve Madden (exclusive)
- MAC (only other at Rideau)
- Sephora (only other at Rideau)
- Yankee Candle (exclusive - say what you want about candles but that stuff's popular as hell)
- Rockport (exclusive)
- Hot Topic (exclusive)
- Godiva (only others at Rideau and Tanger)
- Ecco (exclusive)
- Desigual (exclusive)
- Browns (only other at Rideau)
- Aritzia (only other at Rideau)

All of the above are popular, go-to brands/stores for (a) particular segment(s) of the population. For anyone that doesn't want to go to Rideau, Bayshore is the clear #2 for people looking to "shop". Tanger would round out the top 3 in my mind, likely followed by Promenades.

Just an update - there's now Steve Madden at Rideau, and an Ecco is under construction at Rideau as well.

acottawa · #**2007** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 5:16 PM**

There is a much longer list of stores than can be found at pretty much every mall in Ontario (take the Cat centre in Kingston as a comparison) as well as most big box malls. No mall is all one thing or all another, but, candles notwithstanding, bayshore is clearly not the first choice for most brands in the Ottawa area (the way is was 10-15 years ago). I agree it is probably still in 2nd place, but I think my prediction that the rideau centre will push them downmarket is a reasonable one.

Norman Bates · #**2008** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 5:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by gjhall

Just an update - there's now Steve Madden at Rideau, and an Ecco is under construction at Rideau as well.

There's an Ecco at Tanger.

YOWflier · #**2009** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

There is a much longer list of stores than can be found at pretty much every mall in Ontario (take the Cat centre in Kingston as a comparison) as well as most big box malls. No mall is all one thing or all another, but, candles notwithstanding, bayshore is clearly not the first choice for most brands in the Ottawa area (the way is was 10-15 years ago). I agree it is probably still in 2nd place, but I think my prediction that the rideau centre will push them downmarket is a reasonable one.

Using Rideau Centre as the basis for comparison will make everything seem downmarket. That Rideau Centre has separated itself from the rest as an upmarket/luxury destination doesn't mean the others have fallen. It means that Rideau has risen. Potayto / potahto some might say, but it's a more accurate indication of what's happening.

Take the "much longer list of stores than can be found at pretty much every mall in Ontario" and use that as a more appropriate baseline for comparison. Bayshore separates itself significantly and favourably from that (more than just candles, actually); the same cannot be said for other malls in the region (or even the example you cited) ... at least to the same extent.

Rideau will generally be highest on the wish list of any new mall-format retailer coming to town. Bayshore will generally be the second destination, either because a retailer wants a second store, or because they can't get space or afford the rent at Rideau.

MichelKazan · #**2010** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by ac888yow

Some of the stuff I'm reading makes me shake my head.

Bayshore is and always will be the region's #2 mall. It has a pretty even balance of mid/upper-mid retailers, some of which are either exclusive to the property or (largely) only otherwise exist at the mighty Rideau Centre. It's clearly several notches above St. Laurent and Place d'Orleans (and Promenades, although I know a bit less about that mall), and is anything but "generic mid-market".

Examples (may not be exhaustive; please forgive any mistakes but it's mostly accurate):

- Apple Store (only other at Rideau)
- White House Black Market (exclusive)
- Banana Republic (only other at Rideau)
- Zara (only other at Rideau)
- Victoria's Secret (only other at Rideau)
- H&M (only others at Rideau and Promenades)
- Swarovski (only other at Rideau)
- Steve Madden (exclusive)
- MAC (only other at Rideau)
- Sephora (only other at Rideau)
- Yankee Candle (exclusive - say what you want about candles but that stuff's popular as hell)
- Rockport (exclusive)
- Hot Topic (exclusive)
- Godiva (only others at Rideau and Tanger)
- Ecco (exclusive)
- Desigual (exclusive)
- Browns (only other at Rideau)
- Aritzia (only other at Rideau)

All of the above are popular, go-to brands/stores for (a) particular segment(s) of the population. For anyone that doesn't want to go to Rideau, Bayshore is the clear #2 for people looking to "shop". Tanger would round out the top 3 in my mind, likely followed by Promenades.

There's also an H&M at Place d'Orleans.
Banana Republic also has stores both at Tanger and at the Trainyards.

Acajack · #**2011** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 8:23 PM**

My kids and most of their friends go from Gatineau to Bayshore just to go to the Ivivva store.

loga0082 · #**2012** Posted **Aug 16, 2016, 9:48 PM**

Shepherd's was located at the Rideau centre, but now it moved to the Trainyards. I also have St. Laurent Shopping centre near where I live. They have some of the same shops that the Rideau Centre has like Laura Secord, Shoppers Drug mart, Body Shop, and Bikini Village. I never go to Bayshore Shopping centre, Place D'Orleans, and the Tanger Mall, because they are located in the suburbs.

Harley613 · #**2013** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 3:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by loga0082

I have not seen the new expansion yet, so I cannot comment on it, but I will see it next week. I am sure that Simons, Zara, Massimo Dutti, Anthropologie, and H&M might sell a good selection of clothes that many shoppers might like. The problem with shopping at the Rideau Centre is the nuisance of having to find parking space in the garage and paying a lot of money for parking. Some people said that they had to pay $12 or $13 just to get something for 10 minutes. At least the malls in the suburbs like St. Laurent, Place d'Orleans, the Tangler mall in Kanata, and Bayshore shopping centre, one does not have to pay for parking and there is more parking space. Therefore, it is hard to tell how well the shops are going to do in he expansion.

Rideau Centre has an abundance of cheap covered and underground parking, definitely not a dissuasion.

kevinbottawa · #**2014** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by ac888yow

Rideau will generally be highest on the wish list of any new mall-format retailer coming to town. Bayshore will generally be the second destination, either because a retailer wants a second store, or because they can't get space or afford the rent at Rideau.

I wonder if retailers who can't get a space at the Rideau Centre would rather a downtown storefront on Rideau Street than a space at Bayshore. If so, whoever owns the two blocks east of the Rideau Centre should start thinking about redevelopment and market being on Rideau Street as an alternative to being inside the mall. They could edge out Bayshore and become the second option in the region for retailers.

Spoonsy · #**2015** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 3:09 PM**

Bayshore will always be #2 and I find it unlikely that Rideau upgrades will affect business whatsoever Bayshore because there is a strong belief in Kanata/Stittsville/West that downtown might as well be on the moon it is so far away.

Anecdotal but I grew up in Kanata and the only times anybody ever ventured downtown was to go to a club/bar and even then it was so rare because the $80 cab rides back to the suburbs further cemented the idea that going downtown was a pain in the ass.

Even presented with facts (ample parking at $1.50, fairly easy access from highway) my peers think that Rideau Centre is far, there is constant traffic on the highway/downtown roads, everything is torn up for LRT, and parking is expensive. A Simons is not going to dispel these misconceptions.

E.g. the only Forever21 is downtown - my friends would rather order online than drive downtown, find parking, and go to the physical store... only times they ever venture to the physical store are to return items from online orders

Also - the parking at Bayshore has been a non-issue since they finished the entire northside parking deck. Enter from the 2nd entrance on Woodridge closer to the bus station and youre immediately on a ramp with access to all 5 levels. The abundance of thick concrete supports and narrow spots is still shit but its by no means confusing anymore...

1overcosc · #**2016** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 5:14 PM**

In the far west of the city (Kanata-Stittsville and the rural areas around them) there has long been an established cultural attitude of people staying very internal to that end of the city; they live there, work there, shop there, and never really leave. Bayshore is about as far east as many of these people go. Not ever going downtown almost seems to be a mark of pride among some of these types.

However, it's really the only part of the city where this is the case; people in other parts of the city are much less inclined to bubble themselves to their area.

It should also be noted that Kanata-Stittsville make up only about 15% of the city's population. The fact that Bayshore is able to stay #2 despite its relatively peripheral location within the city does speak volumes about how determined that 15% is to not leave the west end.

SkeggsEggs · #**2017** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spoonsy

E.g. the only Forever21 is downtown - my friends would rather order online than drive downtown, find parking, and go to the physical store... only times they ever venture to the physical store are to return items from online orders

Also - the parking at Bayshore has been a non-issue since they finished the entire northside parking deck. Enter from the 2nd entrance on Woodridge closer to the bus station and youre immediately on a ramp with access to all 5 levels. The abundance of thick concrete supports and narrow spots is still shit but its by no means confusing anymore...

There is a Forever21 at Bayshore as well!
I agree about the parking, it was a bit confusing while under construction but now its painless aside from all the supports. The fourth level is also always empty if people are nervous about the busier levels.

SkeggsEggs · #**2018** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 8:23 PM**

I don't think its a determination to stay within the suburb but a lack of need to leave it frequently. Most things a person could want are there and there is plenty of places to shop and eat between Centrum, Tanger, and Bayshore (though not in Kanata its only a short drive on the highway). However plenty of people leave to go to the Market, Rideau Centre, China town, Events and festivals (Bluesfest, Ribsfest, etc.) and of course football games and Lansdowne in general. I do think the new expansion at Rideau will bring more people from Kanata downtown than before, but I still believe a majority of there shopping for clothes will be done at Bayshore.

On a Rideau Centre note: I hope to make it down there before September, are there any stores confirmed for the expansion that aren't open yet but will soon? Also, I was downtown two weeks ago and I am surprised that Nestle Toll House closed, I feel it would have done really well now that the expansion is complete.

YOWflier · #**2019** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 8:29 PM**

Look no further than household incomes to understand why, barring some calamity, Bayshore will always be #2. Incidentally, this is also no small reason why Tanger is located where it is.

Sample Western Ward Data:

Sample Eastern Ward Data:

YOWflier · #**2020** Posted **Aug 17, 2016, 8:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

I wonder if retailers who can't get a space at the Rideau Centre would rather a downtown storefront on Rideau Street than a space at Bayshore. If so, whoever owns the two blocks east of the Rideau Centre should start thinking about redevelopment and market being on Rideau Street as an alternative to being inside the mall. They could edge out Bayshore and become the second option in the region for retailers.

Maybe, although perhaps Sussex enters the equation here as well. It already has a host of boutiques and the region's only Le Creuset store, for example.

But still, the income data above tells quite a story.