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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 12:34 PM
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Recall here that it took a lot of work to get Southern Land to preserve the Warwick. We need that same effort and then some (and we'll likely get it) for Jeweler's Row.
SLC wanted to tear down protected buildings (they still want to tear down one).

These buildings are not protected. It may be hard to stop Toll Brothers.

Either way, this project is bullshit. Stop killing the city.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 4:02 PM
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 5:29 PM
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I've been in Philly for the past couple of days and I'm amazed by all the construction and new skyscrapers going up. This has to be one of the biggest booms the cities ever seen. Pittsburgh pales in comparison unfortunately.
I hope you're enjoying your stay! They are building quite a bit in Philadelphia right now, it's an exciting time to be in the city. Hopefully Pittsburgh will get a few more towers before this boom is done.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 5:31 PM
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Sounds great! Hopefully we'll get something big

Looks like proposals are due October 21st.
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Sounds great! Hopefully we'll get something big

Looks like proposals are due October 21st.
What's the zoning there?
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 7:01 PM
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what's the zoning there?
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 7:30 PM
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 8:14 PM
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I don't like when the city tries to play developer, it's not the most fun for the PRA but that land should be sold off to the highest bidder while we're still in a high point of the market cycle.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 8:35 PM
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I don't like when the city tries to play developer, it's not the most fun for the PRA but that land should be sold off to the highest bidder while we're still in a high point of the market cycle.
Agreed. That's why I mentioned the "touchy feely" aspect of the process on another thread.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 9:26 PM
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I don't like when the city tries to play developer, it's not the most fun for the PRA but that land should be sold off to the highest bidder while we're still in a high point of the market cycle.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 9:48 PM
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Sounds great! Hopefully we'll get something big

Looks like proposals are due October 21st.
Maybe November 21st. "UPDATE, 5 p.m., Aug. 15: The Redevelopment Authority notified Property late Monday that the RFP may be delayed by 30 days. No explanation was immediately available."

Any thoughts about how this could impact the reopening of the Franklin Sq. PATCO station?

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Old Posted Aug 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
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Maybe November 21st. "UPDATE, 5 p.m., Aug. 15: The Redevelopment Authority notified Property late Monday that the RFP may be delayed by 30 days. No explanation was immediately available.

Any thoughts about how this could impact the reopening of the Franklin Sq. PATCO station?
Well if I were a developer and I wanted to simultaneously make a "social impact" and maximize the return on investment... This is exactly what I would do.
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Keep in mind, guys, that the 8th and Race lot is very difficult to develop to begin with. The Ridge Spur and the Regional Rail tunnel both pass through the site; this limits where structures can be massed and forces more intensive development where development can be placed. And then you have the PCDC's affordable housing requirements that would likely have to be filled. This is just a hard property to develop, period, even without the PRA owning it. (And I agree, they underwhelm even with easier parcels.)
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 1:35 AM
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Photos I got from the past couple of days from beautiful Philly of new scrapers going up.

POT_1247-2 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1116 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1188 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1190 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1224 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1321 by photolitherland, on Flickr
View of downtown from Fort Mifflin

POT_1394 by photolitherland, on Flickr

POT_1404 by photolitherland, on Flickr
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 2:07 AM
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awesome photos photoLith, bravo
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 3:22 AM
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Damn photoLith, you gotta post more often lol.
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 3:56 AM
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It's amazing how thatp photographers continue find great angles of the sjkyline! Great pics photoLith! Thanks!
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 6:53 AM
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Well photoLith you finally made it to Philly (with your camera). Up until now we had to worship your excellent photography of far away Pittsburgh .
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 1:46 PM
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100% agree.

In almost every instance I can think of where municipal agencies (particularly in Philly) issues RFPs like this, nothing happens for years . . . . or decades.

Prime example: how many times has the City's "waterfront development" agency issued RFPs for Penn's Landing over the decades?

Kelly Drive in East Falls: how many PRA RFPs there over the years? Sure, there seems finally to be a somewhat promising proposal . . . the second or third one at this point, but nothing ever seems to get out of the ground. This boring fruitless process has been going on for decades.

PRA should attach basic development guidelines, add a couple clawback provisions if development doesn't start within a set time period or satisfy the basic guidelines, sell to the highest bidder based on those terms, and then GTFO.

The kind of RFP described for 8th and Race seems just like a way for PRA's bored patronage staff to have fun playing pseudo-developer. We've seen it a million times before and it almost never leads anywhere.

I predict that five years from now this is still a parking lot. Call me a dope in five years (or now, if you prefer) if that prediction is inaccurate.
Spot on. Let's face it, this is a crappy location and the city should be eliminating, not adding hoops to jump through if they really want to get something done. The jobs and taxes generated from any development here - a huge improvement over the current parking lot - should be sufficient "social impact."

My only disagreement is that the winning developer should be the one with the highest bid. Equally (if not more) important:

1) The plan, specifically the number of temporary (construction) and permanent jobs created and anticipated tax revenue from the complete project;
2) Feasibility, specifically the timeline, financing, developer history, and number of variances required.

Together, these two evaluation factors would discourage both small and unambitious projects but also pie-in-the-sky proposals.
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2016, 2:30 PM
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Keep in mind, guys, that the 8th and Race lot is very difficult to develop to begin with. The Ridge Spur and the Regional Rail tunnel both pass through the site; this limits where structures can be massed and forces more intensive development where development can be placed. And then you have the PCDC's affordable housing requirements that would likely have to be filled. This is just a hard property to develop, period, even without the PRA owning it. (And I agree, they underwhelm even with easier parcels.)
Yes but it would look to include some decent sized parcels based on where the tracks run

The could put a greenway diagnonal through the lot to link with Franklin Sq and Ind Mall from the new rail park down Vine. Also probably at least three decent sized buildings

see link

On another topic does anyone know if a new BSL spur station would be possible around Ridge and Noble/Callowhill - could include elevators for ADA all the way up to the new rail park, with three stops.

With the new park infrastructure and rail park there is a lot of development opportunity between SG and Vine

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KfDyQd3loDZjgbp6zF4li9w9ZeE&usp=sharing
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