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Old Posted Jul 13, 2016, 11:34 PM
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Which she also used as a big middle finger to Alberta, as if to say "we don't need your filthy pipelines for economic growth".
Well, technically that has been true, looking at our booming economy right now.
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Well, technically that has been true, looking at our booming economy right now.
... nevertheless, Christy seems like someone who burps and farts at the dinner table ....
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Anyone post this before about Microsoft keeping two offices downtown?

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Top-secret game-development work on Microsoft Corp.’s Gears of War 4 video game is behind the company’s rationale for maintaining two separate Vancouver offices.

The company held a glitzy ceremony earlier this month to mark moving into a new 142,000-square-foot office on the top two floors of Pacific Centre. That site, the Microsoft Canada Excellence Centre, can accommodate about 750 workers but only 388 employees are working at the site.

Many of those workers are new hires, and the Seattle-based software giant continues to hire software developers to work in its new Vancouver building.

Consolidating offices and moving 180 video-game developers to Pacific Centre from across the downtown peninsula is not an option, however, according to excellence centre director Edoardo De Martin.

“It takes about three years to make that particular [Gears of War 4] product so you can’t have any leaks,” De Martin told Business in Vancouver.

Were the video-game development team to move to Pacific Centre, other Microsoft staffers might see Gears of War 4 storyboards or otherwise hear aspects of the game’s storyline, he said.

That’s why the decision was made to keep the 180 staff at a 36,000-square-foot office at 858 Beatty Street, which is known as the Pivotal Building.

When work on Gears of War 4 completes this fall, the team is expected to then move on to develop Gears of War 5, De Martin said.
https://www.biv.com/article/2016/6/microsoft-corp-hiring-spree-vancouver/
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2016, 9:47 PM
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So much for collaborative spaces in the new offices!
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2016, 11:39 PM
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Crombie REIT bags 68 Safeways, 27 in B.C.
https://www.biv.com/article/2016/8/crombie-bags-68-safeways-27-bc/
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2016, 7:38 AM
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The Stats Can labour report came out on Friday, and BC is so far ahead of the rest of Canada in all good measures. It has been for some time, but the gap seems to be widering, and BC is accounting for almost all the job growth in the country still. Last months Canada wide stats were horrible as unemployment rose considerably, and Ontario faultered. Of course Alberta is still struggling, their unemployment was to 8.6%, while BC dropped to 5.6%. 3 percentage points difference, I think that's probably close to a record, if not the record. See below for more. I hope things will keep going well, or if there is some slowdown, that it be mild. Right now, for probably the first time in decades or more, BC has the lowest unemployment rate, the highest employment growth, the highest labour force growth, and the highest GDP growth in Canada. Pretty crazy eh, not just a pretty face haha! Another interesting fact: For the first time in recorded history, Alberta has a higher unemployment rate than Nova Scotia! Pretty brutal...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/05/unemployment-canada-july-2016_n_11349494.html

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/160805/dq160805a-eng.htm?HPA=1
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The Stats Can labour report came out on Friday, and BC is so far ahead of the rest of Canada in all good measures. It has been for some time, but the gap seems to be widering, and BC is accounting for almost all the job growth in the country still. Last months Canada wide stats were horrible as unemployment rose considerably, and Ontario faultered. Of course Alberta is still struggling, their unemployment was to 8.6%, while BC dropped to 5.6%. 3 percentage points difference, I think that's probably close to a record, if not the record. See below for more. I hope things will keep going well, or if there is some slowdown, that it be mild. Right now, for probably the first time in decades or more, BC has the lowest unemployment rate, the highest employment growth, the highest labour force growth, and the highest GDP growth in Canada. Pretty crazy eh, not just a pretty face haha! Another interesting fact: For the first time in recorded history, Alberta has a higher unemployment rate than Nova Scotia! Pretty brutal...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/05/unemployment-canada-july-2016_n_11349494.html

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/160805/dq160805a-eng.htm?HPA=1
The hidden story with B.C.'s great national economic/employment numbers though is the local rate of (imported) inflation vis-a-vis slow/low domestic/provincial wage growth.
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The hidden story with B.C.'s great national economic/employment numbers though is the local rate of (imported) inflation vis-a-vis slow/low domestic/provincial wage growth.
Is this a subjective argument or do you have the actual facts to demonstrate your argument?
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2016, 10:21 PM
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The hidden story with B.C.'s great national economic/employment numbers though is the local rate of (imported) inflation vis-a-vis slow/low domestic/provincial wage growth.
Yes, the growth of the BC economy benefits municipalities, but have not significantly raised the wages of local workers, because we are seen as an affordable labour market to service the large sums of foreign money entering this province.

Other than the few spurts of economic injections from industries such as film and IT, which are by no means the stars of BC's stellar economic growth compared to other provinces, the main reason why we are doing so well is due to one thing: foreign money, and perhaps 90% of that from Asia. Like it or not, Asia helps to boost the economy of this province, especially in the urban areas.

When it comes to foreign money, most of us here think of the notorious and hated foreign funds from Chinese investors who help inflate residential property prices, but fact is investments from Asia come from more than just that, although they are still mostly injected through the real estate industry. Li Ka-Shing's (Hong Kong) investments in the 90s created Yaletown. Coal Harbour was basically built with Asian money as well (Hong Kong and Taiwan). Now we have larger developments like the Quintet in Richmond, Trump tower, the Bay site and Little Mountain ( all from Malaysia) and upcoming developments like Plaza of Nations (Hong Kong and Singapore). Rize property's ventures into downtown and Main Street help to channel in Taiwanese and other Asian money. Aspac's River Green projects continue to inject funds from Hong Kong and China, and the list goes on. Almost the entire City of Richmond and many suburbs are continuously being funded with Asian money. The Parc's casino/hotel development is one of the few from huge US corporations (Las Vegas casino).

Property investments and immigration in turn help many of the service industries to grow, namely in transportation including airlines, retail, financial services, etc. They inject large sums of money into City coffers which allow municipalities to receive more funds to build and maintain amenities like parks, libraries, schools, and also help in funding for the arts, special events, etc. The education industry, especially Tertiary education, is also boosted with an increase in municipal tax base and foreign enrolments (international students pay quite a lot more). The phenomenal growth of BC colleges such as UBC is proof.

Although we are economically sound with lots of jobs in various sectors available, all these funds do not help in raising the salaries of the middle class, as we are not a society of Research and Development, or innovation, or white collar management. We are just a low-cost (by wealthy nation standards) society in support of the rich who make their money elsewhere.



One example is this, which is very telling: see how asian money helps to build 2000 affordable housing in Vancouver that the government does not have to spend on, through the sale of the Little Mountain land to TA Global (Malaysia) for 300mil:

https://www.biv.com/article/2016/8/holborns-big-plans-little-mountain/

Essentially, a developing nation is helping to maintain our welfare system.

As for other high paying societies in London, Berlin, Bern, Hong Kong, New York or Singapore, huge local corporations that pay their workers well alone can help the government support such a system, and they don't have to rely directly on foreign investments like Vancouver does.

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Is this a subjective argument or do you have the actual facts to demonstrate your argument?
....the Economist Magazine ranks Vancouver (a city with no powerful global industries/headquarters) as the most expensive Canadian city in terms of cost of living:
affordability.http://www.readersdigest.ca/travel/canada/10-most-expensive-cities-canada/

You can also peruse the Macleans article for further insight on Vancouver's imported inflation: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economica...tate-investors-are-reshaping-the-market/

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....the Economist Magazine ranks Vancouver (a city with no powerful global industries/headquarters) as the most expensive Canadian city in terms of cost of living:
affordability.http://www.readersdigest.ca/travel/canada/10-most-expensive-cities-canada/
I am certain no one is going to argue with you regards to Vancouver being expensive.

I was questioning your quote
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The hidden story with B.C.'s great national economic/employment numbers though is the local rate of (imported) inflation vis-a-vis slow/low domestic/provincial wage growth.
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Is this a subjective argument or do you have the actual facts to demonstrate your argument?
I do not feel you provided me with facts to your hidden story?
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2016, 12:58 AM
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When it comes to foreign money, most of us here think of the notorious and hated foreign funds from Chinese investors who help inflate residential property prices, but fact is investments from Asia come from more than just that, although they are still mostly injected through the real estate industry. Li Ka-Shing's (Hong Kong) investments in the 90s created Yaletown. Coal Harbour was basically built with Asian money as well (Hong Kong and Taiwan). Now we have larger developments like the Quintet in Richmond, Trump tower, the Bay site and Little Mountain ( all from Malaysia) and upcoming developments like Plaza of Nations (Hong Kong and Singapore). Rize property's ventures into downtown and Main Street help to channel in Taiwanese and other Asian money. Aspac's River Green projects continue to inject funds from Hong Kong and China, and the list goes on. Almost the entire City of Richmond and many suburbs are continuously being funded with Asian money. The Parc's casino/hotel development is one of the few from huge US corporations (Las Vegas casino).
The following Macleans excerpt is quite telling in the topic of Vancouver's imported inflation: "Yet even the crudest measurements suggest a breathtaking upsurge in interest that would rate Canada’s big cities on par with London and New York in the eyes of Chinese buyers. National Bank of Canada economist Peter Routledge has “hypothesized” that Chinese buyers last year shelled out nearly $12 billion on real estate in Vancouver, accounting for 33 per cent of the city’s sales. For Toronto, he pegged the number at $8.4 billion, representing 14 per cent of sales.
Other analysts have dismissed the estimate, which Routledge produced by combining U.S. foreign investment figures with a survey of property ownership among 77 affluent Chinese people. But the numbers seemed to support an earlier, more controversial, study of home sales in three of Vancouver’s most expensive neighbourhoods, showing that 66 per cent of houses sold during a six-month period starting in September 2014 went to Chinese people with non-anglicized names. The author of that report, an urban planning professor named Andy Yan, interpreted that to mean the buyers were new arrivals. That assumption was enough to draw accusations of racism, but Yan was undaunted, telling CBC, “It’s about the message, not one messenger.”
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I am certain no one is going to argue with you regards to Vancouver being expensive.

I was questioning your quote

Again my question to this was

I do not feel you provided me with facts to your hidden story?
....the facts lie in the reality that the (low) average wage of Vancouverites cannot sustain the spiraling inflated prices of houses which drive up the local cost of living. The deduction is logical and is argued by economics experts in the articles furnished.
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I am certain no one is going to argue with you regards to Vancouver being expensive.

I was questioning your quote

Again my question to this was

I do not feel you provided me with facts to your hidden story?
I'm very busy and being no longer an active academic researcher (being retired etc.) it has taken me awhile to get back with you. So you are asking for "demonstrated" evidence. OK,..here goes. If I wanted veracity for my assertions I'd first look at average annual wage data in (preferably) Vancouver or B.C. (if that's the best available data). I'd then ascertain from bankers the minimum annual wages needed to to be able to get a minimum home loan in Vancouver. If the average wages in the city falls below the average wages required for the cheapest home loan then you have yourself an economic mismatch. The links provided below tell such a story in reflecting such mismatch where Vancouver (with a recent average annual disposable income of just $30,000) is chasing average home prices close to a million dollars which requires a higher average income all while having Canada's longest home buying savings period of over 11 years:

http://www.moneysense.ca/canadas-best-places-to-live-2014-full-ranking/

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil108a-eng.htm $77,000

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/29/detached-house-prices-canada_n_5051516.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/11/income-needed-to-buy-house-canada_n_6445932.html

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Boeing opening research office in downtown Vancouver

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/boeing-vancouver-labs-office
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http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/boeing-vancouver-labs-office
For all the offshore workers they can't get visas for no doubt. Hardly a great strategy for building a sustainable economy.
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For all the offshore workers they can't get visas for no doubt. Hardly a great strategy for building a sustainable economy.
I've heard of glass half empty, but your glass is completely dry. How do you manage to get out of bed every day when everything is so glum, chum?
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I've heard of glass half empty, but your glass is completely dry. How do you manage to get out of bed every day when everything is so glum, chum?
So you think building an economy on the inability of some workers to get visas into the USA is a great idea? Microsoft's Vancouver office is known internally as Ellis Island, ie. an immigration waiting area until the occupiers can get into their #1 choice.
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So you think building an economy on the inability of some workers to get visas into the USA is a great idea? Microsoft's Vancouver office is known internally as Ellis Island, ie. an immigration waiting area until the occupiers can get into their #1 choice.
Where did I say that? Can't you be happy for 50 more highly skilled jobs? Did you read the article? It's a new office to augment the 200 people already working in Richmond.

What's your solution?
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Where did I say that? Can't you be happy for 50 more highly skilled jobs? Did you read the article? It's a new office to augment the 200 people already working in Richmond.

What's your solution?
His argument would be interesting if he has *one* fact about the current employee base at AeroInfo. If not, it's just whine.
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