ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[foxmccleod]

Originally Posted by Martinman

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I am assuming that this is the other multi -tower project that someone hinted about a couple of weeks ago (98 14th being the topic of discussion).

Yes, the Arts Center TOD is the multi tower project I mentioned recently. If they can get it off the ground as designed, it will be amazing from an urban design perspective. It is a phased project, but even if they only got phase one out of the ground, it would be huge for the area.

[Street Advocate]

Is the arts center parcel d3020 the area just north of the station, currently used as greenspace, or the entire station block down to 15th? The link below is the most detail I've found on the parcel:

http://www.georgiaresourcecenter.com/MARTA/docs/Arts%20Center/DCN_020.pdf

[GTdan]

Originally Posted by foxmccleod

Yes, the Arts Center TOD is the multi tower project I mentioned recently. If they can get it off the ground as designed, it will be amazing from an urban design perspective. It is a phased project, but even if they only got phase one out of the ground, it would be huge for the area.

Do you know if they plan to connect 16th St between Arts Center Way and West Peachtree? I feel like this will greatly improve pedestrian and vehicle flow in the area.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by GTdan

Do you know if they plan to connect 16th St between Arts Center Way and West Peachtree? I feel like this will greatly improve pedestrian and vehicle flow in the area.

I was thinking the same thing. I guess it would be a challenge with the change in elevation, but it would be awesome to break the area up.

*Edit* Actually, upon further inspection the elevation change doesn't seem too drastic right there.

https://goo.gl/maps/22U9WB1bbuL2

[robertjhajek]

Midtown is on FIRE

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

More details with NCR HQ phase 2.

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/real-es...-said-to-be-weighing-1000-job-ga-/nr9Z5/

It will include a 1000 job expansion, so we would be looking at now 4500-6500 jobs coming to Midtown with NCR over the coming years

the figure could be between 1,600 and 1,800 jobs over the next several years.

would involve some newly created jobs and a consolidation of its workforce from certain locations outside of Georgia.

[MdtwnATL]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Basically a desirable physical location associated with a newly released Pokemon phone app, where the user would want to frequent to get points. Sp the "gym" only exists in the app, but it's associated with a frequented physical location. Tbh, it would be a terrible reason to put up a fence. People should be enjoying the green space, not discouraged from using it.

OMG this Pokemon craze needs to end. Fast.

[GTdan]

Originally Posted by Frankster87

I was thinking the same thing. I guess it would be a challenge with the change in elevation, but it would be awesome to break the area up.

*Edit* Actually, upon further inspection the elevation change doesn't seem too drastic right there.

https://goo.gl/maps/22U9WB1bbuL2

Yeah I feel like the elevation changes we would see here are nothing compared to some roads in other major cities such as San Francisco or Pittsburgh.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

The Medical Arts building and associated parking garage situation is not simple. For one thing it's a teardown...beyond repair. There was an article about a year ago on, I believe, Curbed concerning the complexities. Probably nothing will happen until the next generation.

Who said it was a tear down? I know it's in bad shape, but I don't quite believe that it's beyond repair. If the outer walls were crumbling it would be dangerous and the owner would presumably have to do something about that, but this doesn't appear to be the case. I'm still hopeful someone will repurpose this building...it wasn't too long ago that there were plans for a hotel there - prerecession I believe.

I'll believe it's a tear down when someone qualified says it is...no one said this would be a simple restoration, but it seems far from impossible.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Won't happen, either from private or public. The cost is too much. It's not like the Imperial Hotel. Also the Constitution building has no future, has to go. I'm starting to think the Clermont is a teardown. I hope I'm wrong on that one though, at least wait until Blondie retires.

I'm not confident in your interpretation of a tear down...the Clermont was just recently in use as a hotel of sorts, so I'm not sure why it would be considered beyond repair so soon afterwards. I take it you're not big on historic preservation if you aren't in favor of saving three of Atlanta's most endangered (and historically important) buildings. The Atlanta Preservation Center has this to say about the Medical Arts Building on its website:

At the latest hearing in November 2011, the Court established a schedule for the property’s owners to secure and bring the building into full compliance with the City’s boarding requirements. Further, “…all boarding and other efforts to secure the building shall be reviewed by the Executive Director of the Atlanta Urban Design Commission….”

The schedule for boarding is as follows:

17th Day of January 2012 – Floors 1 thru 5
14th Day of February 2012 – Floors 6 & 7
13th Day of March 2012 – Floors 8 & 9
17th Day of April 2012 – Floors 10, 11, & 12

In addition, removal of graffiti was to be completed by April 24, 2012, which was also the next compliance hearing date.

http://www.atlantapreservationcenter.com/place_detail?id=18&pt=1&year=all

Even though the owner has not completed the required maintenance and the information is 5 years old, there seems to be a good bit of oversight regarding this building and its preservation and I don't believe anyone regards it as a tear down. I would love to know if any further action was taken and the true condition of this building - if anyone here has any real information.

[Libertarian]

Yeah, then leave it as is. One of the problems is the owner thinks he can find a bigger fool to take it off his hands. The parking garage cash flow is paying the taxes for him.

[Street Advocate]

Means Street Landmark District? There's a Project Manager position with the city as well as this in Acccela. Are both potentially to fight the gas station proposal and potentially revitalize the area?

"Proposed designation of the Means Street area as the Means Street Landmark District"

https://aca.accela.com/atlanta_ga/Cap/Ca...gencyCode=ATLANTA_GA&IsToShowInspection=

[atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Cousins-Integral project eyed for MARTA's Arts Center station

So now Integral is in bed with Cousins on another project when they have yet to move forward with 811 Peachtree or the Doraville project? Hopefully we see pics later today or tomorrow.


http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/...tegral-project-eyed-for-martas-arts.html

I feel confident because of Cousin involvement, but not Intergral. Maybe this is the partnership Intregral need to do more than talk and proprose without producing. Examples being Eviva and Doraville projects.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by atlwarrior

I feel confident because of Cousin involvement, but not Intergral. Maybe this is the partnership Intregral need to do more than talk and proprose without producing. Examples being Eviva and Doraville projects.

Integral is delivering a nice high-rise in Denver (it is well under construction, starting around the time the Eviva was meant to start here before the property dispute)


They also are delivering some mid-rises in California cities.

[Martinman]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Integral is delivering a nice high-rise in Denver (it is well under construction, starting around the time the Eviva was meant to start here before the property dispute)

They also are delivering some mid-rises in California cities.

Agreed. It was my understanding that Integral had financing for 811 Peachtree and it was the property dispute that put a halt to that project..

[kamden99]

Originally Posted by Martinman

Agreed. It was my understanding that Integral had financing for 811 Peachtree and it was the property dispute that put a halt to that project..

People keep saying the delay is because of a property dispute, but that's not really true. The property lines between 811 Peachtree and 805 Peachtree has a mutually shared easement (can't recall the exact dimensions, but I think it's around 15-20 feet).

Anyway, Integral had the building designed by Perkins+Will under the assumption that they would be able to build onto the easement (not just a few feet either - we're talking halfway across the easement).

When the developer approached 805 Peachtree HOA with their plans, they offered to "spruce up" the curb cut entrance directly off Peachtree between the 2 buildings, but not much else.

805 Peachtree HOA countered with the following options:

• Integral could pay 805 Peachtree HOA for the right to build onto the easement (essentially compensating the HOA for the land based on fair market value).
  
• Integral could construct the new building within the property lines and not have to pay 805 Peachtree HOA a dime.

Basically, the HOA is holding firm and protecting its residents... That has always been my understanding at least.

[Libertarian]

IOW, Perkins+Will probably isn't motivated to do any future work for Integral.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by kamden99

People keep saying the delay is because of a property dispute, but that's not really true. The property lines between 811 Peachtree and 805 Peachtree has a mutually shared easement (can't recall the exact dimensions, but I think it's around 15-20 feet).

Anyway, Integral had the building designed by Perkins+Will under the assumption that they would be able to build onto the easement (not just a few feet either - we're talking halfway across the easement).

When the developer approached 805 Peachtree HOA with their plans, they offered to "spruce up" the curb cut entrance directly off Peachtree between the 2 buildings, but not much else.

805 Peachtree HOA countered with the following options:

• Integral could pay 805 Peachtree HOA for the right to build onto the easement (essentially compensating the HOA for the land based on fair market value).
  
• Integral could construct the new building within the property lines and not have to pay 805 Peachtree HOA a dime.

Basically, the HOA is holding firm and protecting its residents... That has always been my understanding at least.

Interesting. So you're saying up to this point, Integral has not made a decision on what they want to do yet? Seems pretty careless not to discuss these options prior to designing the tower with the 805 Peachtree HOA.

[foxmccleod]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Is the arts center parcel d3020 the area just north of the station, currently used as greenspace, or the entire station block down to 15th? The link below is the most detail I've found on the parcel:

http://www.georgiaresourcecenter.com/MARTA/docs/Arts%20Center/DCN_020.pdf

The project consumes the entire block. There are through block pedestrian connections, but 16th street is not extended. I believe doing so would adversely impact the bus concourse, which is already being altered due to the towers above it.

[kamden99]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Interesting. So you're saying up to this point, Integral has not made a decision on what they want to do yet? Seems pretty careless not to discuss these options prior to designing the tower with the 805 Peachtree HOA.

I think they were misled prior to getting the original designs made... Since then, they have basically had to redesign the project to fit within the actual property lines and not be built on the easement.

I would love for the property to be redeveloped - and hope they either sell to another developer or get moving on this thing before the development cycle ends.