PHILADELPHIA | FMC Tower @ Cira Centre South | 736 FT | 49 FLOORS - Page 165

Knight Hospitaller · #**3281** Posted **Jul 20, 2016, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by AJM

27 floors of steel, one steel truss transition floor, 20 floors concrete and finally the steel crown.

Am I correct in perceiving that there's a two story ceiling in half of the last two concrete floors (before the steel crown)?

TechTalkGuy · #**3282** Posted **Jul 20, 2016, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

Am I correct in perceiving that there's a two story ceiling in half of the last two concrete floors (before the steel crown)?

Probably mechanical floors.
Here's a look:

mmikeyphilly · #**3283** Posted **Jul 20, 2016, 11:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by mmikeyphilly

Looking at the rendering on the first page, it looks like 8 more floors?
They are not the residences floors.

Remember too, on the first page the link to the "Almanac" of the entire building.

I have to say, this is really a handsome building. It's turning out quite nice.

PS: Also, I wonder if it will switch back to steel, or continue with the concrete?
The rendering appears to show the concrete "missing" ?
Like a lighter steel, similar to Comcast Center?

Bueuler, anyone, anyone?

Thanks for the great photos AJM.!!! The photos explain what I questioned a few pages ago. Thanks!

domodeez · #**3284** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 1:36 AM**

I'll appreciate this tower even more once the elevator and crane are removed and that edge on the south side is made visible. Easy to forget it's there.

cubanChris · #**3285** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 1:53 PM**

I looks like the rather rad lighting scheme on this guy ends after the office portion. Though I hold out hope it continues through the apartment/hotel to the top, even if in a less dense fashion. I understand why it wouldn't, but hope it does anyway... at night it is really stunning from a distance.

Philly Fan · #**3286** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by cubanChris

I looks like the rather rad lighting scheme on this guy ends after the office portion. Though I hold out hope it continues through the apartment/hotel to the top, even if in a less dense fashion. I understand why it wouldn't, but hope it does anyway... at night it is really stunning from a distance.

I'm not so sure that there WON'T be a lighting scheme on the upper portion. It's appeared to me on several occasions that they were testing some sort of lighting scheme up there, i.e., lights closer to the floors than the ceilings of each level, changing color and blinking similar to the lighting scheme below. Also, when the lighting scheme for the office portion was first being installed, it was only visible on the bottom half or so of that portion for several weeks before it became visible on the upper half of the office portion, so we may see the upper portion of the building light up any night now. And with modern LED technology, they could have such an exterior lighting scheme on the upper portion without disturbing guests/residents inside the building.

Personally, I think it would be kind of silly to have the final lighting scheme end after the office portion, making the building read as shorter at night than during the day. If anything, it's generally the uppermost portions of skyscrapers that tend to have prominent lighting schemes at night, and not the bottom portions.

Philly Fan · #**3287** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 5:22 PM**

^^^ In fact, they appear to be testing the upper lighting scheme right now (notice the change in pattern). Maybe we'll see the whole tower lit next week during the DNC?

cubanChris · #**3288** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 6:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Philly Fan

^^^ In fact, they appear to be testing the upper lighting scheme right now (notice the change in pattern). Maybe we'll see the whole tower lit next week during the DNC?

Happy to be proven wrong =)

JawKneeQuest · #**3289** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 7:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Philly Fan

^^^ In fact, they appear to be testing the upper lighting scheme right now (notice the change in pattern). Maybe we'll see the whole tower lit next week during the DNC?

I think thats just the clouds reflecting off of the open hotel windows. If you look at photos looking up from the base, you can see that they're open.

Philly Fan · #**3290** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by cubanChris

Happy to be proven wrong =)

That'd be a real waste if they ended up NOT continuing the lighting scheme all the way to the top. But it looks like they're testing something up there--unless it's just someone trying to send some sort of secret message.

Philly Fan · #**3291** Posted **Jul 21, 2016, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by JawKneeQuest

I think thats just the clouds reflecting off of the open hotel windows. If you look at photos looking up from the base, you can see that they're open.

I've also seen them change colors in a pattern similar to the lights on the bottom portion, and I think that was before there was even glass on those portions. Pretty sure I posted a photo or two earlier in this thread--I'll try to find them and repost them. Also, as you can see in the photos I posted earlier today, there's definitely a pattern of some sort, and it changed fairly quickly. Those photos are screen-captures from the live webcam on listingcam.com, and were obtained just seconds apart. They also appear to me to be horizontal rectangles at the levels of the floors, and not the shape or location you'd expect for windows. But until we see them in all their glory at night, I guess we can't be sure.

EDIT: Found the posts and photos. The first is from April 1st, and the second is from April 5th. Again, note that the lights are at floor level and are consistently placed, so don't appear to be work lights. Also, it may not be apparent in the photos, but on the live webcam you could see them flickering and changing colors in a consistent pattern, similar to what the lights do on the lower portion of the tower:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7391114&highlight=lighting#post7391114

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7396300&highlight=lighting#post7396300

boxbot · #**3292** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 4:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by Philly Fan

I've also seen them change colors in a pattern similar to the lights on the bottom portion, and I think that was before there was even glass on those portions. Pretty sure I posted a photo or two earlier in this thread--I'll try to find them and repost them. Also, as you can see in the photos I posted earlier today, there's definitely a pattern of some sort, and it changed fairly quickly. Those photos are screen-captures from the live webcam on listingcam.com, and were obtained just seconds apart. They also appear to me to be horizontal rectangles at the levels of the floors, and not the shape or location you'd expect for windows. But until we see them in all their glory at night, I guess we can't be sure.

EDIT: Found the posts and photos. The first is from April 1st, and the second is from April 5th. Again, note that the lights are at floor level and are consistently placed, so don't appear to be work lights. Also, it may not be apparent in the photos, but on the live webcam you could see them flickering and changing colors in a consistent pattern, similar to what the lights do on the lower portion of the tower:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7391114&highlight=lighting#post7391114

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=7396300&highlight=lighting#post7396300

Nah.

Philly Fan · #**3293** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 2:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by boxbot

Nah.

You had to see the live video.

Anyways, I could be completely wrong.

But then again, maybe not . . . .

JawKneeQuest · #**3294** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 5:44 PM**

I remain optimistic as well. I would love to see the lighting continue to the top, but could also understand why the hotel might not want that for its guests.

Philly Fan · #**3295** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by JawKneeQuest

I would love to see the lighting continue to the top, but could also understand why the hotel might not want that for its guests.

Yep, because we all know that hotels never have an exterior lighting scheme

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Knight Hospitaller · #**3296** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 6:15 PM**

^^ Ha! Hopefully that will put an end to the hand-wringing for now.

Philly Fan · #**3297** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 6:32 PM**

^^ Thank you, counselor.

In fact, with this kind of LED lighting (or whatever they're using), a hotel guest would have to stick his or her head out of a window at night to even see--let alone be bothered by--the lighting. And speaking from personal experience, I do NOT recommend sleeping with your head stuck out of a window.

Again, I just can't imagine why they would not continue their fancy lighting scheme all the way up the tower. To me, that just wouldn't make sense.

Knight Hospitaller · #**3298** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 7:39 PM**

^^It's the value engineering boogeyman, going around stripping off lights, cross-braces, and floors.

JawKneeQuest · #**3299** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 8:01 PM**

The Model that had the lighting scheme....

I still assert the light/dark 3x15 or so pattern you are seeing is windows and clouds....

Knight Hospitaller · #**3300** Posted **Jul 22, 2016, 8:31 PM**

^^I agree that the lighting scheme covers the entire building. I also agree that the photos had to do with the windows. Not sure about the clouds. The residential/hotel component appears to have windows that open in some fashion, from what I could see on my last drive by. I think that's what we're seeing in the photos.