Calgary International Airport II - Page 242

lubicon · #**4821** Posted **Jul 12, 2016, 8:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by outoftheice

Georgian had the nose gear collapse on one of its 1900s this morning.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news...landing-at-calgary-international-airport

And the flightpath from Flightaware while they were working on the issue:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GGN7212

Johnny Aussie · #**4822** Posted **Jul 12, 2016, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hmm that's not a great sign that they are pushing out the 787 and cutting the 4th frequency just weeks into the flight.

Not really that big a deal. Pushing the 787 back only about a week and the 332 is slightly larger anyway. As for the 4th frequency.... I found it odd that Hainan only scheduled that for one month. Not surprised it's gone.

The Chemist · #**4823** Posted **Jul 13, 2016, 8:27 AM**

Probably coming back to Calgary for a week in September/October for work, but I've decided not to fly Hainan because a) it's too much of a pain to fly out of Beijing - one departure from within China is enough, especially given how delayed flights in this country are and b) if I fly AC I finally get to get on a 777, as the PVG-YVR route is now a triple-7.

Every day I hate the fact that the first direct China flight to Calgary had to be PEK and not PVG.

Bureaudog · #**4824** Posted **Jul 14, 2016, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Probably coming back to Calgary for a week in September/October for work, but I've decided not to fly Hainan because a) it's too much of a pain to fly out of Beijing - one departure from within China is enough, especially given how delayed flights in this country are and b) if I fly AC I finally get to get on a 777, as the PVG-YVR route is now a triple-7.

Every day I hate the fact that the first direct China flight to Calgary had to be PEK and not PVG.

Having flown YYC-YVR-PEK on AC, and having been onboard the Hainan 332 for around twenty minutes (on the ground, tip to tail, checked out the seats, facilities, galley, but didn't travel) I can tell you that you are 100% making the best choice. AC was clean, enjoyable, professional aircrew, good IFE choices, nice lounges. However, being on this Hainan bird concerned me and brought back memories of the Beijing-Xi'an bullet train. If you've ever taken the trains in China you'll know what I mean, but it has that 'smell', that 'heat' and 'humidity' and everything about it feels tired, dirty, un-cared-for. I would never be able to sit for 10-12 hours on the Hainan 332 without feeling sick after the first few minutes. I'm not even seeing a huge price advantage to taking Hainan. The AC flight I took was on a 772 (whalebone J class) and Hainan doesn't come close. Their J class did not have near the privacy and amenities of AC.

It strikes me as an airline that is not competing for traffic from anywhere but Chinese nationals (and this isn't a judgement - just an observation).

Bigtime · #**4825** Posted **Jul 16, 2016, 2:56 PM**

Rumour online that Suncor is going to shutter their fleet with the exception of the private jet for the executives. WestJet to take over their flying. Announcement could happen in September. 3 pilots and one mechanic kept on with Suncor.

MalcolmTucker · #**4826** Posted **Jul 16, 2016, 4:43 PM**

Their planes must have been getting close enough to the lease renewals at 5 and 10 years to need to go to the board for authorization, and in this environment, especially if WestJet was willing to lock in a price, non-core businesses go away. Has Syncrude's fleet been integrated in? IIRC they had a Citation.

cyeg66 · #**4827** Posted **Jul 16, 2016, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Their planes must have been getting close enough to the lease renewals at 5 and 10 years to need to go to the board for authorization, and in this environment, especially if WestJet was willing to lock in a price, non-core businesses go away. Has Syncrude's fleet been integrated in? IIRC they had a Citation.

Still see Syncrude flying from time to time, but very infrequently compared to past years. It would be too bad to see Suncor closing up shop but probably makes sense for the reasons you mention. Sign of the times... Ecomaniacs taking over the world.

PPAR · #**4828** Posted **Jul 17, 2016, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Rumour online that Suncor is going to shutter their fleet with the exception of the private jet for the executives. WestJet to take over their flying. Announcement could happen in September. 3 pilots and one mechanic kept on with Suncor.

Makes perfect sense, Suncor needs less flight time, Westjet needs more. Voilà free enterprise works again.

#**4829** Posted **Jul 17, 2016, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by PPAR

Makes perfect sense, Suncor needs less flight time, Westjet needs more.

YEG was a parking lot for WS frames for a few weeks in May. Planes would do McMurray relief for a day, spend the next day at YEG doing nothing, repeat...

Bigtime · #**4830** Posted **Jul 18, 2016, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Their planes must have been getting close enough to the lease renewals at 5 and 10 years to need to go to the board for authorization, and in this environment, especially if WestJet was willing to lock in a price, non-core businesses go away. Has Syncrude's fleet been integrated in? IIRC they had a Citation.

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Originally Posted by PPAR

Makes perfect sense, Suncor needs less flight time, Westjet needs more. Voilà free enterprise works again.

All perfectly valid reasons, just — knowing that a bunch of people are going to lose their jobs. Potentially including someone I've known since we were both students at flight school.

#**4831** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 9:58 AM**

This AS vs DL thing? Alberta's been the beneficiary so far... did we know this already? I probably missed it.

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Alaska Airlines starting October 2016 introduces mainline operation on Seattle – Calgary route, effective 03OCT16. 1 of 3 daily service, morning departure from Seattle, will be operated by a mix of Boeing 737-800/-900ER, replacing Dash8-Q400 aircraft by Horizon.

The following schedule is effective from 03OCT16 to 30OCT16.

AS784 SEA1030 – 1254YYC 737 D
AS2118 SEA1505 – 1746YYC DH4 x6
AS2126 SEA2120 – 2358YYC DH4 D

AS2115 YYC0605 – 0700SEA DH4 D
AS785 YYC1350 – 1430SEA 737 D
AS2119 YYC1826 – 1917SEA DH4 x6

AS B738 seats 163 (WS 738 now seats 168, for comparison) and their 739/739ER seats 181.

Johnny Aussie · #**4832** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 11:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

This AS vs DL thing? Alberta's been the beneficiary so far... did we know this already? I probably missed it.

AS B738 seats 163 (WS 738 now seats 168, for comparison) and their 739/739ER seats 181.

Yes, I posted this back on April 2nd

It's a nice boost in seats on AS to SEA.

Westjet on the other hand is slowly rolling out the winter schedules and Alberta is seeing some small reductions on a few transborder routes..

YYC-FLL, YYC-LAS, YYC-PSP, YEG-LAS and YEG-OGG are all seeing a reduction in frequency but only one or two flights per week per route. Nothing major. It's still early but I would have expected some cuts based on recent trends.

#**4833** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 11:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, I posted this back on April 2nd

Yeah I remember. I wasn't sure why airlineroute is only posting it now.

As for YEG-OGG... that was only 2x weekly so 1 would be a 50% cut in seats.

Johnny Aussie · #**4834** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 12:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah I remember. I wasn't sure why airlineroute is only posting it now.

As for YEG-OGG... that was only 2x weekly so 1 would be a 50% cut in seats.

Sometimes I beat him to the punch!

YEG-OGG was 3 weekly, now will be down to 2. So a 33% cut only.

Bigtime · #**4835** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 1:11 PM**

Yup I remember the post about AS mainline metal coming too. Great to see them coming back, I think we discussed how years ago they were mainline on SEA and I think a LAX flight too. Definitely remember them departing first thing in the morning when I was still teaching at Calgary Flight.

lubicon · #**4836** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Sometimes I beat him to the punch!

YEG-OGG was 3 weekly, now will be down to 2. So a 33% cut only.

Which leads me to ask where they may put the 767 that day. They'll need to do something with it.

#**4837** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Sometimes I beat him to the punch!

YEG-OGG was 3 weekly, now will be down to 2. So a 33% cut only.

Oh yeah, my bad. It's LGW that's 2 weekly.

Johnny Aussie · #**4838** Posted **Jul 25, 2016, 7:17 PM**

What recession??

Westjet has issued some layered press releases about the upcoming winter schedule.

YYC will see quite a few routes with frequency increases.

http://blog.westjet.com/winter-flight-sc...utes:winter-schedule-frequency-blog-link

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1152

These press releases only highlight the increases so to do a complete YOY comparison is a bit tough right now but here is a list of YYC routes seeing increases:

CUN, MZT, PVR, ZIH, YLW and YQR.

And of course the continuation of the new LGW year round with 3 weekly flights.

As I had mentioned previously PSP, FLL and LAS are seeing slight reductions. Also YYC-YEG losing about 3 flights per day.

#**4839** Posted **Jul 26, 2016, 2:21 AM**

WS will fly YQR-MCO but can't manage to maintain YEG-YUL or YEG-YOW year round? Come on boys.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

ZIH

A few days in February it was absurd the number of people flying YEG-ZIH-YYC man... WS104 YEG-YYC one day was 30 people for ZIH and 20 people for YBR... and that was it.

Johnny Aussie · #**4840** Posted **Jul 26, 2016, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

WS will fly YQR-MCO but can't manage to maintain YEG-YUL or YEG-YOW year round? Come on boys.

A few days in February it was absurd the number of people flying YEG-ZIH-YYC man... WS104 YEG-YYC one day was 30 people for ZIH and 20 people for YBR... and that was it.

YQR-MCO is only once per week anyway.

As for YOW and YUL, AC will maintain those flights year-round but YEG-YHZ remains year round on WS (5 weekly) go figure

As for your second point, this anecdote summarises exactly what is happening and again geography is a significant factor in YYC's favour.

Unlikely WS would be able to fill ZIH or YBR from YEG on its own but using YYC as a hub allows more frequency with connections throughout the region. Unlikely YYC-ZIH would be able to fill 4 flights per week on its own, but with the feed makes it very possible. This is the main reason why Westjet's upcoming winter schedule is increasing some YYC routes whilst YEG is basically getting no additional flights but actually will have fewer flights.

Your anecdote also supports probably why Westjet is reducing YYC-YEG as perhaps O&D is drying up and these flights will mainly be for connections. The type of equipment being used at certain times of day to/from YEG also supports this.